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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

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The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.

And that scares the shit out of me.

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They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.

Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]

I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.

Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.[/quote]

I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.

At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
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While i think introducing private enterprise to compete with the Gov. is a good thing . I think it is a misnomer to say that private enterprise (especially Large Scale) is better than GOV.

[/quote]

Private enterprise, as a whole, is better at producing more value from inputs than GOV. It’s just fact. They have to be better at producing value otherwise a private business shuts down. GOV doesn’t have to do shit which gets proven year after year.

Whether private enterprise or GOV is inherently better than the other, that’s a whole different discussion which would most likely turn out to be a discussion on what “better” means and ultimately, it would depend on the situation. Definitely a rabbit hole I’m not prepared to go down at this point.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

Is subsidizing a GED program subsidizing improvement or stupidity?[/quote]
Whoever signs the check.

IMO, yes. Subsidizing a baby factory is not. I’m not saying let her starve but we need to face the reality that some people really are OK with where they are. Fine. That doesn’t mean we should let them corrupt their kids so they repeat the same stupidity. What goes on in inner city schools is accommodating negative behaviors in the name of culture. People talk about “better” being relative. Yes, it is but there is also an objective reality. What is OK on the corner might not be OK in the boardroom and schools are not preparing kids for that reality. I know that young teachers are told to basically ignore foul language from kids because in “their” culture it is acceptable. Dancing around and behaving like what most would consider a whore is ignored because it’s part of “their” culture. But I guess when I saw middle school girls giving boys lap dances right in front of me, the last thing I should have thought was, “I am better than that,” and done something about it. I mean, those girls were going to be pregnant street walkers regardless, right?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
If you expect the govt to feed you and your kids. House you and your kids. Care for the health of you and your kids. Then don’t be surprised if the govt expects something back. One can always say no…to all of it.

Besides, this wasn’t the govt but a policy decision made by someone at the local Head Start. There may very well be a valid reason for it. [/quote]

But why do these people expect the govt to feed and house and take care of them in the first place? It’s not like you are born with the understanding the govt is your mom and dad. That’s a learned behavior.

Government is built on a system of dependency. They need and want a large group of people to be dependent. The more you think you can’t survive without them, the more control they have.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

[/quote]

The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.

And that scares the shit out of me.

[/quote]

They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.

Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]

I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.

Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.[/quote]

I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.

At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
[/quote]

While i think introducing private enterprise to compete with the Gov. is a good thing . I think it is a misnomer to say that private enterprise (especially Large Scale) is better than GOV.

[/quote]

Private enterprise, as a whole, is better at producing more value from inputs than GOV. It’s just fact. They have to be better at producing value otherwise a private business shuts down. GOV doesn’t have to do shit which gets proven year after year.

Whether private enterprise or GOV is inherently better than the other, that’s a whole different discussion which would most likely turn out to be a discussion on what “better” means and ultimately, it would depend on the situation. Definitely a rabbit hole I’m not prepared to go down at this point.[/quote]

It could said that the role the GOV plays is a more diffacult role than does any private enterprise .

Government has to please the people . Free Enterprise produces usually a small aspect and in most cases either you buy it or you don’t

There are at least in AZ some charter schools competing head to head with public schools . In many cases especially when it comes to no more than tax dollars the charters are turning out to be inferior

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

Is subsidizing a GED program subsidizing improvement or stupidity?[/quote]
Whoever signs the check.

IMO, yes. Subsidizing a baby factory is not. I’m not saying let her starve but we need to face the reality that some people really are OK with where they are. Fine. That doesn’t mean we should let them corrupt their kids so they repeat the same stupidity. What goes on in inner city schools is accommodating negative behaviors in the name of culture. People talk about “better” being relative. Yes, it is but there is also an objective reality. What is OK on the corner might not be OK in the boardroom and schools are not preparing kids for that reality. I know that young teachers are told to basically ignore foul language from kids because in “their” culture it is acceptable. Dancing around and behaving like what most would consider a whore is ignored because it’s part of “their” culture. But I guess when I saw middle school girls giving boys lap dances right in front of me, the last thing I should have thought was, “I am better than that,” and done something about it. I mean, those girls were going to be pregnant street walkers regardless, right? [/quote]

I agree that something should be done, but laws and regulations aren’t the answer. They do nothing to solve the issue. people will do what they will do. I don’t do concaine, not b/c it’s illegal, but b/c I don’t want to. If i wanted to, I could easily go get it and go to town and I don’t live in the ghetto.

Further, laws and regulations are used, in general, as a means of control, not as a means of goodwill.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
If you expect the govt to feed you and your kids. House you and your kids. Care for the health of you and your kids. Then don’t be surprised if the govt expects something back. One can always say no…to all of it.

Besides, this wasn’t the govt but a policy decision made by someone at the local Head Start. There may very well be a valid reason for it. [/quote]

But why do these people expect the govt to feed and house and take care of them in the first place? It’s not like you are born with the understanding the govt is your mom and dad. That’s a learned behavior.

Government is built on a system of dependency. They need and want a large group of people to be dependent. The more you think you can’t survive without them, the more control they have.
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They control poor people so they can control the people who foot the bill. The people whose money is thrown at failing schools, neighborhoods, cities, prisons and the people who work there like cops, social workers and case workers.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Further, laws and regulations are used, in general, as a means of control, not as a means of goodwill.[/quote]
Meet the parent (singular intended) of some of these kids and you’ll believe that either regulation or a baseball bat is indeed necessary.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

[/quote]

The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.

And that scares the shit out of me.

[/quote]

They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.

Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]

I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.

Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.[/quote]

I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.

At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
[/quote]

While i think introducing private enterprise to compete with the Gov. is a good thing . I think it is a misnomer to say that private enterprise (especially Large Scale) is better than GOV.

[/quote]

Private enterprise, as a whole, is better at producing more value from inputs than GOV. It’s just fact. They have to be better at producing value otherwise a private business shuts down. GOV doesn’t have to do shit which gets proven year after year.

Whether private enterprise or GOV is inherently better than the other, that’s a whole different discussion which would most likely turn out to be a discussion on what “better” means and ultimately, it would depend on the situation. Definitely a rabbit hole I’m not prepared to go down at this point.[/quote]

It could said that the role the GOV plays is a more diffacult role than does any private enterprise .

Government has to please the people . Free Enterprise produces usually a small aspect and in most cases either you buy it or you don’t

There are at least in AZ some charter schools competing head to head with public schools . In many cases especially when it comes to no more than tax dollars the charters are turning out to be inferior

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Good points here.

The government does have a difficult role in that it needs to please everyone. This leads to a significant issue of overarching control the Federal Govt has over the States. When the Fed controls what happens, an individual has no choice but to consume whatever it is with no recourse except to either move out of the country or vote for representation that can change the minds of every other state representation that’s out there.

So what happens, complacency. It’s to big, to hard to rise up and fight. And let’s be honest, how bad do we really have it? That’s always the line from my buddy when we talk about government control.

Private Enterprise, I just go buy the competitions product or I don’t buy it all.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

Is subsidizing a GED program subsidizing improvement or stupidity?[/quote]
Whoever signs the check.

IMO, yes. Subsidizing a baby factory is not. I’m not saying let her starve but we need to face the reality that some people really are OK with where they are. Fine. That doesn’t mean we should let them corrupt their kids so they repeat the same stupidity. What goes on in inner city schools is accommodating negative behaviors in the name of culture. People talk about “better” being relative. Yes, it is but there is also an objective reality. What is OK on the corner might not be OK in the boardroom and schools are not preparing kids for that reality. I know that young teachers are told to basically ignore foul language from kids because in “their” culture it is acceptable. Dancing around and behaving like what most would consider a whore is ignored because it’s part of “their” culture. But I guess when I saw middle school girls giving boys lap dances right in front of me, the last thing I should have thought was, “I am better than that,” and done something about it. I mean, those girls were going to be pregnant street walkers regardless, right? [/quote]

So, the government get’s to draw the line. That’s just great.

Why? Every person needing a GED dropped out of an already subsidized public school system. Sounds like subsidizing a GED program is subsidizing stupidity to me.

You want to make rules/laws to stop people from doing stupid things? Do you really think that will work? This country lacks discipline. Law’s aren’t going to change that. A shift in culture can. Has a law ever been an effectively catalyst for such a shift?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

Is subsidizing a GED program subsidizing improvement or stupidity?[/quote]
Whoever signs the check.

IMO, yes. Subsidizing a baby factory is not. I’m not saying let her starve but we need to face the reality that some people really are OK with where they are. Fine. That doesn’t mean we should let them corrupt their kids so they repeat the same stupidity. What goes on in inner city schools is accommodating negative behaviors in the name of culture. People talk about “better” being relative. Yes, it is but there is also an objective reality. What is OK on the corner might not be OK in the boardroom and schools are not preparing kids for that reality. I know that young teachers are told to basically ignore foul language from kids because in “their” culture it is acceptable. Dancing around and behaving like what most would consider a whore is ignored because it’s part of “their” culture. But I guess when I saw middle school girls giving boys lap dances right in front of me, the last thing I should have thought was, “I am better than that,” and done something about it. I mean, those girls were going to be pregnant street walkers regardless, right? [/quote]

So, the government get’s to draw the line. That’s just great.

Why? Every person needing a GED dropped out of an already subsidized public school system. Sounds like subsidizing a GED program is subsidizing stupidity to me.

You want to make rules/laws to stop people from doing stupid things? Do you really think that will work? This country lacks discipline. Law’s aren’t going to change that. A shift in culture can. Has a law ever been an effectively catalyst for such a shift? [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get it. I read what you wrote Zee and it looks like you have similar views as I do about why people are where they are, but then you come to the conclusion that laws/rules/regulations are needed to make it better.

But aren’t laws/rules/regulations what caused the issue in the first place? There’s a huge gap in your conclusion support here.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

Is subsidizing a GED program subsidizing improvement or stupidity?[/quote]
Whoever signs the check.

IMO, yes. Subsidizing a baby factory is not. I’m not saying let her starve but we need to face the reality that some people really are OK with where they are. Fine. That doesn’t mean we should let them corrupt their kids so they repeat the same stupidity. What goes on in inner city schools is accommodating negative behaviors in the name of culture. People talk about “better” being relative. Yes, it is but there is also an objective reality. What is OK on the corner might not be OK in the boardroom and schools are not preparing kids for that reality. I know that young teachers are told to basically ignore foul language from kids because in “their” culture it is acceptable. Dancing around and behaving like what most would consider a whore is ignored because it’s part of “their” culture. But I guess when I saw middle school girls giving boys lap dances right in front of me, the last thing I should have thought was, “I am better than that,” and done something about it. I mean, those girls were going to be pregnant street walkers regardless, right? [/quote]

So, the government get’s to draw the line. That’s just great.

Why? Every person needing a GED dropped out of an already subsidized public school system. Sounds like subsidizing a GED program is subsidizing stupidity to me.

You want to make rules/laws to stop people from doing stupid things? Do you really think that will work? This country lacks discipline. Law’s aren’t going to change that. A shift in culture can. Has a law ever been an effectively catalyst for such a shift? [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get it. I read what you wrote Zee and it looks like you have similar views as I do about why people are where they are, but then you come to the conclusion that laws/rules/regulations are needed to make it better.

But aren’t laws/rules/regulations what caused the issue in the first place? There’s a huge gap in your conclusion support here.[/quote]

Ya, I also agree with why people are where they are. I don’t understand how throwing laws at the problem is any better than throwing money at the problem. Neither does anything to fix the underlying issues.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
If you expect the govt to feed you and your kids. House you and your kids. Care for the health of you and your kids. Then don’t be surprised if the govt expects something back. One can always say no…to all of it.

Besides, this wasn’t the govt but a policy decision made by someone at the local Head Start. There may very well be a valid reason for it. [/quote]

But why do these people expect the govt to feed and house and take care of them in the first place? It’s not like you are born with the understanding the govt is your mom and dad. That’s a learned behavior.

Government is built on a system of dependency. They need and want a large group of people to be dependent. The more you think you can’t survive without them, the more control they have.
[/quote]
They control poor people so they can control the people who foot the bill. The people whose money is thrown at failing schools, neighborhoods, cities, prisons and the people who work there like cops, social workers and case workers. [/quote]

I have yet to see that simply throwing money at a problem solves it.

“We need more money for the schools”, but where does that money go EXACTLY ? Are we talking textbooks and erasers ? Or pensions, healthcare, and salaries ? Does paying a teacher more money mean the children learn better ?

Government seems very good at making sure money goes down the big black hole of fuckdom.

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I drive my daughter to school almost every day. This morning she brought up the subject of School Food. It made me think of this thread. I asked her would you be alright if the government forced you to eat the school lunch. She said, “Dad, could I continue to bring my lunch from home and just act like I am eating the school lunch?” I told her she would have to leave her lunch at home and eat the school lunch. She said, “I will then just go hungry, because the food is gross.” Then she said, “Dad, I would not feed this food to any of the children in India we send money to every month.” She showed me a picture of a piece of bread on the school lunch tray and it had green mold growing on it.

Yummy and Nutritious I guess. Free Penicillin.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:Yeah, I don’t get it. I read what you wrote Zee and it looks like you have similar views as I do about why people are where they are, but then you come to the conclusion that laws/rules/regulations are needed to make it better.

But aren’t laws/rules/regulations what caused the issue in the first place? There’s a huge gap in your conclusion support here.[/quote]

I actually think stupidity causes more issues than anything else. We have unemployment in many areas because large amounts of people have no skills. We “need” an involved government to help people because so many people are such absolute morons they can’t help themselves. It’s why you have so many people saying the government needs to do X, X, X.

Here in rural Kansas I am surrounded by fat dumb people. They all vote “conservative” yet live a life that is anything but. They all have anti-abortion stickers but they can’t take care of their own kids and they keep having more of them. Wal-Mart has stupid employees who help out slightly less stupid shoppers. And these stupid people are the ones having loads of children. None of these people are spending time in the produce or meat section. The only businesses doing well here are fast food restaurants. And it isn’t changing. My fiance’s little brother plays high school basketball and half the kids there have body odor at 17 years old because well…they are raised by parents who have body odor.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:Yeah, I don’t get it. I read what you wrote Zee and it looks like you have similar views as I do about why people are where they are, but then you come to the conclusion that laws/rules/regulations are needed to make it better.

But aren’t laws/rules/regulations what caused the issue in the first place? There’s a huge gap in your conclusion support here.[/quote]

I actually think stupidity causes more issues than anything else. We have unemployment in many areas because large amounts of people have no skills. We “need” an involved government to help people because so many people are such absolute morons they can’t help themselves. It’s why you have so many people saying the government needs to do X, X, X.

Here in rural Kansas I am surrounded by fat dumb people. They all vote “conservative” yet live a life that is anything but. They all have anti-abortion stickers but they can’t take care of their own kids and they keep having more of them. Wal-Mart has stupid employees who help out slightly less stupid shoppers. And these stupid people are the ones having loads of children. None of these people are spending time in the produce or meat section. The only businesses doing well here are fast food restaurants. And it isn’t changing. My fiance’s little brother plays high school basketball and half the kids there have body odor at 17 years old because well…they are raised by parents who have body odor.

[/quote]

I agree these people are stupid, but they weren’t born stupid. Stupidity is just another symptom.

When you are trying to figure out the root cause of issue, you need ask yourself why at least 5 times.

Half the kids have body odor.

Why do they have body odor?

  1. Because they don’t care of themselves.

What do they not take care of themselves?
2. Because their parent’s taught them this behavior

Why did their parents teach them this behavior?
3. Because they’ve been poor and/or have lived that way their whole life, so they teach what they know

Why have they lived this way?
4. I’ll give you a gimmie here: because they are stupid

Why are they stupid?
5.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I drive my daughter to school almost every day. This morning she brought up the subject of School Food. It made me think of this thread. I asked her would you be alright if the government forced you to eat the school lunch. She said, “Dad, could I continue to bring my lunch from home and just act like I am eating the school lunch?” I told her she would have to leave her lunch at home and eat the school lunch. She said, “I will then just go hungry, because the food is gross.” Then she said, “Dad, I would not feed this food to any of the children in India we send money to every month.” She showed me a picture of a piece of bread on the school lunch tray and it had green mold growing on it.

Yummy and Nutritious I guess. Free Penicillin. [/quote]

Smart kid you have there :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:Yeah, I don’t get it. I read what you wrote Zee and it looks like you have similar views as I do about why people are where they are, but then you come to the conclusion that laws/rules/regulations are needed to make it better.

But aren’t laws/rules/regulations what caused the issue in the first place? There’s a huge gap in your conclusion support here.[/quote]

I actually think stupidity causes more issues than anything else. We have unemployment in many areas because large amounts of people have no skills. We “need” an involved government to help people because so many people are such absolute morons they can’t help themselves. It’s why you have so many people saying the government needs to do X, X, X.

Here in rural Kansas I am surrounded by fat dumb people. They all vote “conservative” yet live a life that is anything but. They all have anti-abortion stickers but they can’t take care of their own kids and they keep having more of them. Wal-Mart has stupid employees who help out slightly less stupid shoppers. And these stupid people are the ones having loads of children. None of these people are spending time in the produce or meat section. The only businesses doing well here are fast food restaurants. And it isn’t changing. My fiance’s little brother plays high school basketball and half the kids there have body odor at 17 years old because well…they are raised by parents who have body odor.

[/quote]

I agree these people are stupid, but they weren’t born stupid. Stupidity is just another symptom.

When you are trying to figure out the root cause of issue, you need ask yourself why at least 5 times.

Half the kids have body odor.

Why do they have body odor?

  1. Because they don’t care of themselves.

What do they not take care of themselves?
2. Because their parent’s taught them this behavior

Why did their parents teach them this behavior?
3. Because they’ve been poor and/or have lived that way their whole life, so they teach what they know

Why have they lived this way?
4. I’ll give you a gimmie here: because they are stupid

Why are they stupid?
5. [/quote]

I’m ready to go full crazy and say we need one law in America: You must pass a basics skill test to be allowed to procreate. That will take care of so many problems.

Seriously though stupid people are having more kids and the higher IQ and more educated people are having less. It has been this way for a while and I believe we are starting to see the effects of that…at least here in poor middle America.

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Related tangent alert -

We were talking about parental rights and “health” related issues, and the idea that there will likely be more government intervention in all kinds of things under the guise of health. Removal of vending machines, the criminalization of selling big soda cups in NY, what have you.

Here in CA, we have our health insurance from a large HMO - Kaiser Permanente. Very happy with it. BUT when I take my kids in for an annual physical, I am asked the following questions - This is verbal, from the nurse checking us in.

Do you have a gun at home?
Do your children watch no more than two hours of TV per day?
Do your children eat at least 7 servings of fruits and vegetables per day?
Does anyone smoke in the home?

This is not handing me a brochure about nutrition, or the hazards of second hand smoke. That would be a simple dissemination of information. Perhaps I’m just looking for my own confirmation bias, as someone mentioned earlier, but I see a shift in our culture here and I am bothered that my health care organization thinks it has the right to ask some of these questions. I expect to see a lot more of this kind of thing as government gets more involved in healthcare.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Related tangent alert -

We were talking about parental rights and “health” related issues, and the idea that there will likely be more government intervention in all kinds of things under the guise of health. Removal of vending machines, the criminalization of selling big soda cups in NY, what have you.

Here in CA, we have our health insurance from a large HMO - Kaiser Permanente. Very happy with it. BUT when I take my kids in for an annual physical, I am asked the following questions - This is verbal, from the nurse checking us in.

Do you have a gun at home?
Do your children watch no more than two hours of TV per day?
Do your children eat at least 7 servings of fruits and vegetables per day?
Does anyone smoke in the home?

This is not handing me a brochure about nutrition, or the hazards of second hand smoke. That would be a simple dissemination of information. Perhaps I’m just looking for my own confirmation bias, as someone mentioned earlier, but I see a shift in our culture here and I am bothered that my health care organization thinks it has the right to ask some of these questions. I expect to see a lot more of this kind of thing as government gets more involved in healthcare.

   [/quote]

It’s crap like this that make me not want to have kids.

Do you own a gun?
Yes, I store it loaded under my childs pillow.

I’m sure in someway the questions allow or will allow Kaiser to increase their premiums.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]

Who get’s to draw the line?

[/quote]

The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.

And that scares the shit out of me.

[/quote]

They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.

Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]

I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.

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I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.

At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
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While i think introducing private enterprise to compete with the Gov. is a good thing . I think it is a misnomer to say that private enterprise (especially Large Scale) is better than GOV.

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Private enterprise, as a whole, is better at producing more value from inputs than GOV. It’s just fact. They have to be better at producing value otherwise a private business shuts down. GOV doesn’t have to do shit which gets proven year after year.

Whether private enterprise or GOV is inherently better than the other, that’s a whole different discussion which would most likely turn out to be a discussion on what “better” means and ultimately, it would depend on the situation. Definitely a rabbit hole I’m not prepared to go down at this point.[/quote]

There are at least in AZ some charter schools competing head to head with public schools . In many cases especially when it comes to no more than tax dollars the charters are turning out to be inferior

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That’s interesting…Charter schools are killing it here.

Do you have a link about the situation in AZ I could read?