[quote]csulli wrote:
A problem arises when popular thought amongst “those who know better” is fucking wrong though. If I ate how the government thinks I should eat I would be lighter, fatter, weaker, and less healthy lol.[/quote]
Those who know better know that. If you ate like the govt recommended then you wouldn’t know better. I’m not saying it’s an exact science. [/quote]
I thought you were saying that there would be people in the government who were the ones who knew better and they would be telling everyone, myself included, how they should be eating. Because, as sad as it is, the people occupying that office currently have some dumbass guidelines. I will concede that they have improved substantially in recent years, but there are still many things in there not at all in line with the nutritional paradigm of people who hang around a website such as this one.[/quote]
The reason why the govt has to act as mommy is because they don’t know better. The reason why they are even in that position to begin with is because they don’t know any better.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Very few people are born morons. If you are nutured to be a “moron”, then you aren’t really a moron, you are ignorant. Sure, some self blame could be assigned, but nuture typically wins over nature.
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No. After a certain point the wiring in the brain does not lend itself to a different way of reasoning. At that point the person is a moron for life. Prisons are full of them.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Mentorship imo is great. There is a difference between mentoring a moron and telling said moron what to do because “I’m better.”
Are these folks better than you and I?
Paris Hilton? (Rich & a moron)
Donald Trump? (Rich & successful birther)
Alec Baldwin? (Rich & Successful douche bag)
Members of Congress?
All of these folks are at the top of their field of expertise. (In Hilton’s case that’s being a spoiled rich moron). [/quote]
They may be better at some things. If you wanted to be an actor would you ask some random guy on the street for advice or Baldwin?
So if you were poor, on welfare, had kids and uneducated who would you look to for help in improving your life, and thus the life of the kids you brought into the same conditions in the ultimate act of selfish stupidity? Assuming you were even smart enough to be aware your life was going nowhere you would look to those who are better off. [/quote]
Sure, except asking a person who is better at said craft for mentorship and using rules, laws, policies, etc… to force people to live like their “betters” are two different things.
Better is subjective, so having those deemed “better” make policy seems pretty dumb to me.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?
Those that are better, right?
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If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]
I had Sgt’s that were NOT better than me. They were complete morons and often sucked at their job and being a Marine in general. I still wanted to be an NCO just like them. [/quote]
I was talking more about tough love. The easiest way to make someone move forward is to make what’s behind him scarier than what’s ahead. [/quote]
Who get’s to determine when and what tough love is necessary?
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Very few people are born morons. If you are nutured to be a “moron”, then you aren’t really a moron, you are ignorant. Sure, some self blame could be assigned, but nuture typically wins over nature.
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No. After a certain point the wiring in the brain does not lend itself to a different way of reasoning. At that point the person is a moron for life. Prisons are full of them.[/quote]
You are certainly speaking of things you know very little about. You seem to think “you can’t teach and old dog new tricks.” Bullshit. Further, you are proving the point that laws and regulations do not fix anything, hence why those people continue to go to jail.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Mentorship imo is great. There is a difference between mentoring a moron and telling said moron what to do because “I’m better.”
Are these folks better than you and I?
Paris Hilton? (Rich & a moron)
Donald Trump? (Rich & successful birther)
Alec Baldwin? (Rich & Successful douche bag)
Members of Congress?
All of these folks are at the top of their field of expertise. (In Hilton’s case that’s being a spoiled rich moron). [/quote]
They may be better at some things. If you wanted to be an actor would you ask some random guy on the street for advice or Baldwin?
So if you were poor, on welfare, had kids and uneducated who would you look to for help in improving your life, and thus the life of the kids you brought into the same conditions in the ultimate act of selfish stupidity? Assuming you were even smart enough to be aware your life was going nowhere you would look to those who are better off. [/quote]
Sure, except asking a person who is better at said craft for mentorship and using rules, laws, policies, etc… to force people to live like their “betters” are two different things.
Better is subjective, so having those deemed “better” make policy seems pretty dumb to me.
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Then they shouldn’t ask for tax payer money.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Very few people are born morons. If you are nutured to be a “moron”, then you aren’t really a moron, you are ignorant. Sure, some self blame could be assigned, but nuture typically wins over nature.
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No. After a certain point the wiring in the brain does not lend itself to a different way of reasoning. At that point the person is a moron for life. Prisons are full of them.[/quote]
You are certainly speaking of things you know very little about. You seem to think “you can’t teach and old dog new tricks.” Bullshit. Further, you are proving the point that laws and regulations do not fix anything, hence why those people continue to go to jail. [/quote]
You don’t know dogs.
We also know how the brain develops especially when it comes to judgement. We also know that cultural change is hard to enact.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Mentorship imo is great. There is a difference between mentoring a moron and telling said moron what to do because “I’m better.”
Are these folks better than you and I?
Paris Hilton? (Rich & a moron)
Donald Trump? (Rich & successful birther)
Alec Baldwin? (Rich & Successful douche bag)
Members of Congress?
All of these folks are at the top of their field of expertise. (In Hilton’s case that’s being a spoiled rich moron). [/quote]
They may be better at some things. If you wanted to be an actor would you ask some random guy on the street for advice or Baldwin?
So if you were poor, on welfare, had kids and uneducated who would you look to for help in improving your life, and thus the life of the kids you brought into the same conditions in the ultimate act of selfish stupidity? Assuming you were even smart enough to be aware your life was going nowhere you would look to those who are better off. [/quote]
Sure, except asking a person who is better at said craft for mentorship and using rules, laws, policies, etc… to force people to live like their “betters” are two different things.
Better is subjective, so having those deemed “better” make policy seems pretty dumb to me.
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Then they shouldn’t ask for tax payer money. [/quote]
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]
Who get’s to decide who is “Too stupid for their own good?”[/quote]
Those who know better as evidenced by being better. [/quote]
How often are those who know better the ones that make policy?[/quote]
Based on the history of Congress, absolutely not ever. At least for the past couple decades and probably a long long long time before that.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]
Who get’s to decide who is “Too stupid for their own good?”[/quote]
Those who know better as evidenced by being better. [/quote]
How often are those who know better the ones that make policy?[/quote]
Based on the history of Congress, absolutely not ever. At least for the past couple decades and probably a long long long time before that.[/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?
Those that are better, right?
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If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]
No, this part I 100% agree with. You’re absolutely right about that, however I believe there is a breakdown in your thinking going from here
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?
Those that are better, right?
[/quote]
If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]
No, this part I 100% agree with. You’re absolutely right about that, however I believe there is a breakdown in your thinking going from here[/quote]
Mentorship is great and lacking in this country. Leadership is great and lacking in this country.
Rules made by “betters” for those too stupid to better themselves, not lacking. Example, ACA: Folks losing the plans they want because their “betters” think the new plans are better for them.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]
Who get’s to draw the line?
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The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.
And that scares the shit out of me.
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They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.
Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]
Who get’s to draw the line?
[/quote]
The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.
And that scares the shit out of me.
[/quote]
They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.
Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]
I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.
Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]
Who get’s to draw the line?
[/quote]
The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.
And that scares the shit out of me.
[/quote]
They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.
Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]
I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.
Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.[/quote]
I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.
At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I’m all for subsidizing improvement but not stupidity. [/quote]
Who get’s to draw the line?
[/quote]
The eternal question…advocates of more subsidies would insist that the government knows the best way to spend the resources.
And that scares the shit out of me.
[/quote]
They know the best way to spend resources to support their causes lol. Those causes may be altruistic, but most likely is simply the result of lobbying and misguided thoughts.
Isn’t it funny most heads of various regulator entities are former CEO’s of companies? Yeah, because those people know what’s best for the population. [/quote]
I would have rather had a private syndicate in charge of the Obamacare website…government overspends and underperforms on most large tasks.
Private industries are greedy as well, but the government feeds the machine.[/quote]
I agree. There’s no incentive for Government employees to perform the best they can. I can go on for days of why that is from my personal experience in auditing multiple government entities. It’s TERRIBLE.
At least with Private industry, you get what you expect. A greedy, well oiled machine who will most likely get tossed out like yesterday’s garbage if they fail.
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While i think introducing private enterprise to compete with the Gov. is a good thing . I think it is a misnomer to say that private enterprise (especially Large Scale) is better than GOV.
If you expect the govt to feed you and your kids. House you and your kids. Care for the health of you and your kids. Then don’t be surprised if the govt expects something back. One can always say no…to all of it.
Besides, this wasn’t the govt but a policy decision made by someone at the local Head Start. There may very well be a valid reason for it.