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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
When my government assumes I am either too stupid, or too lazy to make my kid a sandwich… Well, that’s pretty damn depressing.

If it comes to this, there will be push back. I’m torn between homeschooling, and sending my kids to school with a lunch of doughnuts and Dr. Pepper just out of spite. Of course, they’d probably call social services. [/quote]
It’s more about thinking poor people are too stupid and in general they are probably right. This won’t be coming to the 'burbs. This is probably in response to something that the parents have done, or not done. [/quote]

It’s not that they are stupid, it’s that they are uninformed. “Ignorance is bliss” right?

But the answer isn’t for the government to take care of you because the silly, ignorant poor people do not know any better. How about informing them and helping change their habits?

That will never happen b/c there is no $$$ in that.

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There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Who get’s to decide who is “Too stupid for their own good?”

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Of course they don’t see a problem with any of that b/c they don’t know any better. It’s easy for you and me to sit here and accost people for their “stupidity” as we have been given the opportunity to know better and/or rise above. We’ve had the proper support system, and Iill even go far as to say an appropriate income level or parents who at least understood how to put their money to the best use.

But when you are incentivized to have more kids (i.e. tax deductions, more welfare, the military used to give you extra money based on the # of kids you had, free lunches, free day care), you were raised on chips and soda and you are doing fine, in your world, everything is perfect. That is how life is supposed to be.

It’s not like most people just wake up and say “holy sh!t, everything I was taught and everything I do is terrible and I need to change.” Change is hard. Change takes a monumental life moment of realization.

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Looks like Manitoba is taking this to the extreme lol

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Who get’s to decide who is “Too stupid for their own good?”[/quote]
Those who know better as evidenced by being better.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Who get’s to decide who is “Too stupid for their own good?”[/quote]
Those who know better as evidenced by being better. [/quote]
A problem arises when popular thought amongst “those who know better” is fucking wrong though. If I ate how the government thinks I should eat I would be lighter, fatter, weaker, and less healthy lol.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Of course they don’t see a problem with any of that b/c they don’t know any better. It’s easy for you and me to sit here and accost people for their “stupidity” as we have been given the opportunity to know better and/or rise above. We’ve had the proper support system, and Iill even go far as to say an appropriate income level or parents who at least understood how to put their money to the best use.

But when you are incentivized to have more kids (i.e. tax deductions, more welfare, the military used to give you extra money based on the # of kids you had, free lunches, free day care), you were raised on chips and soda and you are doing fine, in your world, everything is perfect. That is how life is supposed to be.

It’s not like most people just wake up and say “holy sh!t, everything I was taught and everything I do is terrible and I need to change.” Change is hard. Change takes a monumental life moment of realization.
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There are a million reasons why they are morons; it doesn’t change the fact they are morons. I can understand. I can sympathize. I’ve seen enough of them to know why. They are still borderline retarded. Once they reach that point it might never change. So the best you can do to stop the cycle of idiots is to step in and try to keep them from creating, or at least raising, more. But that would require teachers and schools tell kids, “hey, I know you love your mother and she is doing the best she can, or at least thinks she is, but she’s a dummy and if you want to get ahead in life and not be like her then you need to make an effort to not be like her.” That won’t happen.

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[quote]csulli wrote:
A problem arises when popular thought amongst “those who know better” is fucking wrong though. If I ate how the government thinks I should eat I would be lighter, fatter, weaker, and less healthy lol.[/quote]
Those who know better know that. If you ate like the govt recommended then you wouldn’t know better. I’m not saying it’s an exact science.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Who get’s to decide who is “Too stupid for their own good?”[/quote]
Those who know better as evidenced by being better. [/quote]

How often are those who know better the ones that make policy?

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Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?
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If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. A smart person can be ignorant but does something about it when they become aware. A stupid person can be ignorant but is too stupid to know it. A 20 year old with 3 or more kids doesn’t know sex causes pregnancy? A parent actually believes soda and potato chips is a proper meal? There is no cure for that level of dumb. [/quote]

Of course they don’t see a problem with any of that b/c they don’t know any better. It’s easy for you and me to sit here and accost people for their “stupidity” as we have been given the opportunity to know better and/or rise above. We’ve had the proper support system, and Iill even go far as to say an appropriate income level or parents who at least understood how to put their money to the best use.

But when you are incentivized to have more kids (i.e. tax deductions, more welfare, the military used to give you extra money based on the # of kids you had, free lunches, free day care), you were raised on chips and soda and you are doing fine, in your world, everything is perfect. That is how life is supposed to be.

It’s not like most people just wake up and say “holy sh!t, everything I was taught and everything I do is terrible and I need to change.” Change is hard. Change takes a monumental life moment of realization.
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There are a million reasons why they are morons; it doesn’t change the fact they are morons. I can understand. I can sympathize. I’ve seen enough of them to know why. They are still borderline retarded. Once they reach that point it might never change. So the best you can do to stop the cycle of idiots is to step in and try to keep them from creating, or at least raising, more. But that would require teachers and schools tell kids, “hey, I know you love your mother and she is doing the best she can, or at least thinks she is, but she’s a dummy and if you want to get ahead in life and not be like her then you need to make an effort to not be like her.” That won’t happen. [/quote]

This is typical “band-aid” thinking. People like to attack the symptoms of problems rather than addressing the real, underlying issue.

Very few people are born morons. If you are nutured to be a “moron”, then you aren’t really a moron, you are ignorant. Sure, some self blame could be assigned, but nuture typically wins over nature.

So, your answer is “control people through rules and laws” rather than “give people the tools to know better and be accountable to themselves” because YOU know better? You know all the answers and what’s best for everyone else?

Hell even those of us in the know don’t even agree 100% on most issues, and I promise what we thought was right today will change at some point.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?
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If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]

What constitutes “better”? Please define that. Better is all relative. There are many people who I would consider in a shitty situation, but if you ask them, they think they have it better than I do.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
A problem arises when popular thought amongst “those who know better” is fucking wrong though. If I ate how the government thinks I should eat I would be lighter, fatter, weaker, and less healthy lol.[/quote]
Those who know better know that. If you ate like the govt recommended then you wouldn’t know better. I’m not saying it’s an exact science. [/quote]
I thought you were saying that there would be people in the government who were the ones who knew better and they would be telling everyone, myself included, how they should be eating. Because, as sad as it is, the people occupying that office currently have some dumbass guidelines. I will concede that they have improved substantially in recent years, but there are still many things in there not at all in line with the nutritional paradigm of people who hang around a website such as this one.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?
[/quote]
If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]

Mentorship imo is great. There is a difference between mentoring a moron and telling said moron what to do because “I’m better.”

Are these folks better than you and I?
Paris Hilton? (Rich & a moron)
Donald Trump? (Rich & successful birther)
Alec Baldwin? (Rich & Successful douche bag)
Members of Congress?

All of these folks are at the top of their field of expertise. (In Hilton’s case that’s being a spoiled rich moron).

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?
[/quote]
If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]

What constitutes “better”? Please define that. Better is all relative. There are many people who I would consider in a shitty situation, but if you ask them, they think they have it better than I do.[/quote]
Well, this seems to be heading in the direction of the idea or concept of someone being better off, smarter, more competent, etc., doesn’t exist. When I taught kids who could barely read at 16 and who were in and out of jail and whose fathers were in jail and mothers were on welfare, I would say that yes, I am better. Better off and a better person. I didn’t look down on them but one of the reasons why they were where they were is because they were led to believe that they were just as good as everyone else. Sorry, but not even MLK believed that. I mean, on what criteria did he want his kids judged? They were not as good as everyone else but, they could be. That doesn’t happen if you believe you already are.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?
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If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]

I had Sgt’s that were NOT better than me. They were complete morons and often sucked at their job and being a Marine in general. I still wanted to be an NCO just like them.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Mentorship imo is great. There is a difference between mentoring a moron and telling said moron what to do because “I’m better.”

Are these folks better than you and I?
Paris Hilton? (Rich & a moron)
Donald Trump? (Rich & successful birther)
Alec Baldwin? (Rich & Successful douche bag)
Members of Congress?

All of these folks are at the top of their field of expertise. (In Hilton’s case that’s being a spoiled rich moron). [/quote]
They may be better at some things. If you wanted to be an actor would you ask some random guy on the street for advice or Baldwin?

So if you were poor, on welfare, had kids and uneducated who would you look to for help in improving your life, and thus the life of the kids you brought into the same conditions in the ultimate act of selfish stupidity? Assuming you were even smart enough to be aware your life was going nowhere you would look to those who are better off.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, who get’s to determine what constitutes better?

Those that are better, right?
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If you are where someone else wants to be or should be then you are better. I mean, you know better. The first step to helping a moron is letting them know they are a moron. Maybe I’m wrong and those Drill Sgts messed up my mind. It’s just been my experience that those who have gotten ahead in life had someone reminding them to stop acting like an idiot along the way. Some still have that person in their life to remind them. It’s about checks and balances. Sometimes that check was a kick in the ass. [/quote]

I had Sgt’s that were NOT better than me. They were complete morons and often sucked at their job and being a Marine in general. I still wanted to be an NCO just like them. [/quote]
I was talking more about tough love. The easiest way to make someone move forward is to make what’s behind him scarier than what’s ahead.