stop flirting… 
lol
I detect some jealousy, JJ.
I can spread it around.
You look fine, as well. Keep it up!
Seriously, search every single site as well as old, older, and oldest threads. Google your ass off, then google some more and read some more. YOu’ll learn other stuff, too. NONE of us have time to do it - and I’m a newbie, too.
BUT if you can search old threads from many sites, and come up with a name that originated long ago and was present on the good sites, and that is still is popping up (maybe a bit differently, but mostly the same) in threads years later? That would be a good start. Yes, a few (very few) are still around from what I can gather.
And it’s still a crap shoot. The Olympics, RD, and more make it even harder. From what I can gather, LE is using old, previously reputable powder source’s emails and kinda luring people in. Tricky. And - not for nothing and I have no idea if it even matters, but I always asked them if they were LE, associated with LE, working with LE, related to LE, or have cut a deal with LE, or if they have a record.
I either scare them away or piss them off - some don’t answer back. Others do. Took me two months to find a regular already brewed AAS source. Took me almost three times as long for the powder man.
Lots of research. LOTS LOTS LOTS.
[quote]testolius wrote:
Brewing articles are easy enough to find, and as I mentioned, process doesn’t seem to be overly complicated…
…the part that eludes me is how to find reliable powder source. Again, I am not asking for a specific source, and I understand that everyone may be laying low for a while, but in general, how does one go about finding a source?
Easy enough to Google ‘testosterone powder’ and come up w/ dozens of (mostly chinese) powder sources, but it just doesn’t seem like it can really be that easy…or is that pretty much all there is to it…place a small order, cross our fingers and see what happens???
What are some things to look for, or to look out for?
…and please, once again, please excuse me for being so forward for a newbie, but I really don’t know of a better way to find things out than to just come right out and ask…a lot of you guys seem like you know what’s up and if I can get pointed in the right direction, I sure would appreciate it.[/quote]
Wow, great thread revival, littlerunt. I don’t know how I missed this one.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Synovex + Finaplix = no questions asked “powder” source.
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Is anyone still doing the conversions? Or has that fallen off in favor of powder?
[quote]littlerunt wrote:
Lots of research. LOTS LOTS LOTS.
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Did the research and came up with a few sources on my own. Ultimately unsatisfied with dubious strength & purity - Iguess I’m just kind of funny about knowing exactly what it is I’m injecting into my body
I am still doing synovex and fina conversersions - it is the only way I can be SURE of what I’m getting, and frankly the combination gives me everything I am looking for.
Would it be nice to be able to get some longer estered test? - yes, pinning ED gets to be a bit of a “pain in the ass”, and yes it would be fun/interesting to experiment w/ some other compounds, and wife wants me to get her some anavar, but until I can be assured of getting what I think I’m getting, will have to stick w/ tried and true.
[quote]testolius wrote:
I am still doing synovex and fina conversersions [/quote]
Are you using a conversion kit of some kind? If not, what method are you using?
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
testolius wrote:
I am still doing synovex and fina conversersions
Are you using a conversion kit of some kind? If not, what method are you using?
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No ‘conversion’ really necessary for fina - just mix it up and filter.
Use the super-saturation-selective-recrystallization method for syno, along with an idea suggested by Bill Roberts of dissolving the resultant product in oil only (no BB, and 2% BA added after filtering)…results in an estrogen free, clean and very painless test-prop.
All chemicals are easily avaialble from online sources and no reason to buy a pre-made ‘kit’
[quote]testolius wrote:
Use the super-saturation-selective-recrystallization method for syno, along with an idea suggested by Bill Roberts of dissolving the resultant product in oil only [/quote]
The idea suggested by Roberts for syno is where I’m confused. If using that particular method there is no need to do the recrystallization beforehand. Is this correct? It seems you just throw the pellets and oil together and filter it once it’s all dissolved. Or am I missing something?
This is the thread you want(thanks testolius for making me read this 10x lol)
[quote]Scott M wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/synovex_and_estrogen
This is the thread you want(thanks testolius for making me read this 10x lol)[/quote]
I aint got time for all that action, son.
I’m referring to this thread:
It’s highly simplified. There’s no need for chemicals whatsoever. Granted, it doesn’t filter out E 100%. But roughly 1mg of E for every 100mg of TP isn’t that bad IMO. And it’s so easy even a caveman can do it.
It looks good but there doesn’t seem to be any feedback from anyone who has actually tried it.
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Scott M wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/synovex_and_estrogen
This is the thread you want(thanks testolius for making me read this 10x lol)
I aint got time for all that action, son.
I’m referring to this thread:
It’s highly simplified. There’s no need for chemicals whatsoever. Granted, it doesn’t filter out E 100%. But roughly 1mg of E for every 100mg of TP isn’t that bad IMO. And it’s so easy even a caveman can do it.
It looks good but there doesn’t seem to be any feedback from anyone who has actually tried it.
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Considering that the amount of estrogen in a birth control pill (low dose) is only 20-35 mcg, even 1mg of estrogen is the equivalent of 28-50 days worth of BC pills.
Taking that into consideration, it doesn’t seem like much of a bother to me to take extra care to get all of the estro out. After you have experience with the super-saturation-selective-recrystallization method, it is really quite straightforward and not a big deal. Preparing the injectable with oil only and then adding BA post filtering is no trouble at all and well worth it for the extra peace of mind.
…OTOH, your mileage may differ.
also an AI is going to be useless against that 1mg of whatever estrogen it is.
[quote] Brook wrote:
also an AI is going to be useless against that 1mg of whatever estrogen it is.[/quote]
my point eggs-ackly!
Okay, who exactly is this Bill Roberts character anyways? What I mean is how knowledgeable is he? Is he another Dan Duchaine? He sure isn’t some newbie; that’s for sure.
According to him, while on tren,
“estrogen levels fall abnormally low which isn’t the best”.
“my interest in the Synovex is actually to get the estrogen, as trenbolone-only drives estrogen levels too low”
“What I find personally with lack of estrogen” “strength and mass gains are not as good. Muscle soreness seems worse”
So this Roberts guy is saying that too low of E is actually bad and he wants the E to bring it up a bit.
Thoughts on this??
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Okay, who exactly is this Bill Roberts character anyways? What I mean is how knowledgeable is he? Is he another Dan Duchaine? He sure isn’t some newbie; that’s for sure.
According to him, while on tren,
“estrogen levels fall abnormally low which isn’t the best”.
“my interest in the Synovex is actually to get the estrogen, as trenbolone-only drives estrogen levels too low”
“What I find personally with lack of estrogen” “strength and mass gains are not as good. Muscle soreness seems worse”
So this Roberts guy is saying that too low of E is actually bad and he wants the E to bring it up a bit.
Thoughts on this??[/quote]
I am not personally acquainted w/ Mr Roberts and can’t vouch directly for him, but have read many of his posts and he seems pretty knowledgeable about AAS.
He is correct about estrogen being necessary for growth - that is the reason they put it in cow pellets.
The problem w/ exogenous estro is that it is hard to control…you have both the exogenous estro and estro produced from aromatization, so no way of knowing exacty how much you’re getting. As far as I know, here is no way to neutralize exogenous estro…once it’s in the body, you just have to wait for it to work it’s way out. (A SERM will prevent gyno though, so at least you can guard against that.
You can, however, modulate estro from aromatization by varying the amt of AI you use. Once again, in the absence of blood work, you don’t know what your estro levels are, but most can gauge it pretty well by amount of bloating (or ‘itchy nips’) and vary AI to get the results they’re after. For me this means that if I am starting to look like William Shatner, I up the dose, and if joints are starting to get sore (too dry) I ease up on the AI.
[quote]testolius wrote:
Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Okay, who exactly is this Bill Roberts character anyways? What I mean is how knowledgeable is he? Is he another Dan Duchaine? He sure isn’t some newbie; that’s for sure.
According to him, while on tren,
“estrogen levels fall abnormally low which isn’t the best”.
“my interest in the Synovex is actually to get the estrogen, as trenbolone-only drives estrogen levels too low”
“What I find personally with lack of estrogen” “strength and mass gains are not as good. Muscle soreness seems worse”
So this Roberts guy is saying that too low of E is actually bad and he wants the E to bring it up a bit.
Thoughts on this??
I am not personally acquainted w/ Mr Roberts and can’t vouch directly for him, but have read many of his posts and he seems pretty knowledgeable about AAS.
He is correct about estrogen being necessary for growth - that is the reason they put it in cow pellets.
The problem w/ exogenous estro is that it is hard to control…you have both the exogenous estro and estro produced from aromatization, so no way of knowing exacty how much you’re getting. As far as I know, here is no way to neutralize exogenous estro…once it’s in the body, you just have to wait for it to work it’s way out. (A SERM will prevent gyno though, so at least you can guard against that.
You can, however, modulate estro from aromatization by varying the amt of AI you use. Once again, in the absence of blood work, you don’t know what your estro levels are, but most can gauge it pretty well by amount of bloating (or ‘itchy nips’) and vary AI to get the results they’re after. For me this means that if I am starting to look like William Shatner, I up the dose, and if joints are starting to get sore (too dry) I ease up on the AI.
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i thought they put it in for the extra fat and water gain that is a fact of estrogen supplementation?
[quote]testolius wrote:
He is correct about estrogen being necessary for growth - that is the reason they put it in cow pellets.
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Okay, so we agree that e is beneficial for growth. Which would be why people on AI’s sometimes say that it hinders their gains. Not from the actual AI itself, but from a lowered e level.
But at the same time, we don’t want test to aromatize to e because we don’t want gyno.
If one were to take AI to prevent gyno he would lower his e. Makes sense to add it back with exogenous e for performance benefits.
Is there any proof that exogenous e leads to gyno? The mere fact of having elevated levels of e doesn’t absolutely equal bad things. When you take a blood test you have total test and free test. You could have a high total test but it may not mean squat. Could it be the same with e?
[quote] Brook wrote:
i thought they put it in for the extra fat and water gain that is a fact of estrogen supplementation?[/quote]
I think you get some muscle wit it too, but yeah, lots of fat and water which is another reason I try and keep it on the low side.
Also some relationship to libido that I haven’t quite been able to put my finger on
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
If one were to take AI to prevent gyno he would lower his e. Makes sense to add it back with exogenous e for performance benefits.
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I’m sure it varies with the individual, but my own experience has been that with test-p doses in the 700mg/wk range, I am getting more than enough e via aromatization (at least as evidenced by bloating) and need to knock it down with an AI…can’t see why I would want more
I’m surprised nobody else is using this particular method. I suppose I’ll just have to go for it to see the outcome.
I’m hoping exogenous e will be similar to how dietary cholesterol differs from the type we produce.
My syno is on backorder so I don’t know exactly how it’s dosed. Each dose contains 8 pellets? Is each pellet 200mg TP or do all 8 equal 200mg?