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[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
treco wrote:
See Couture school those “joes” including the military close combat instructor?

That was hilarious. Best part of the night. You just need to show that to people who claim that they can “just go crazy” and be in the UFC.

But I’m not like those guys, I’d…blah blah blah… and he wouldn’t see it coming
(some arguments you’ll never win)

That said, I’d still love to have an opportunity like those guys against Couture (no strikes and he knows I’m buying the beer after if I’m not in the hospital).

If it was me in there, I would’ve just sprinted in circles around the octagon like a chicken shit…call me a pussy, but if I was trying to win the competition I would’ve done my best to stay away from Randy.

Good strategy. I’d also try crying, it may through him off.
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I would piss my pants. That might keep him away.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
treco wrote:
See Couture school those “joes” including the military close combat instructor?

That was hilarious. Best part of the night. You just need to show that to people who claim that they can “just go crazy” and be in the UFC.

But I’m not like those guys, I’d…blah blah blah… and he wouldn’t see it coming
(some arguments you’ll never win)

That said, I’d still love to have an opportunity like those guys against Couture (no strikes and he knows I’m buying the beer after if I’m not in the hospital).

If it was me in there, I would’ve just sprinted in circles around the octagon like a chicken shit…call me a pussy, but if I was trying to win the competition I would’ve done my best to stay away from Randy.

Good strategy. I’d also try crying, it may through him off.

I would piss my pants. That might keep him away.[/quote]

LOL. Well, Randy did mention how people have crapped themselves from being choked out before and that he “wanted none of that”. So, maybe pissing yourself might work too.

Seriously though, I’m with the guys who said they would have just tried to stay away from him. That and I would try to clinch break when he did grab a hold of me.

I also thought it was funny how that army close quarters instructor had to keep mentioning it. Even going as far as telling McCarthy after the fight, then saying “but I knew that if I tried anything it would only make things worse”. LOL. So, I guess the army doesn’t teach any defenses to grappling techniques.

If I were Couture I would have tapped that guy out the most, just because he was trying to make it look he really knew what to do, but just decided not to.

Also, notice how none of those guys seemed the least big intimidated when going up against any of the other Pros. And how much more comfortable they seemed while competing in the other challenges. Just goes to show you how crappy the average Joe is when it comes to combat. Heck, even the other Pros seemed intimidated watching Randy dismantle those guys.

Good training,

Sentoguy

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
treco wrote:
See Couture school those “joes” including the military close combat instructor?

That was hilarious. Best part of the night. You just need to show that to people who claim that they can “just go crazy” and be in the UFC.

But I’m not like those guys, I’d…blah blah blah… and he wouldn’t see it coming
(some arguments you’ll never win)

That said, I’d still love to have an opportunity like those guys against Couture (no strikes and he knows I’m buying the beer after if I’m not in the hospital).

If it was me in there, I would’ve just sprinted in circles around the octagon like a chicken shit…call me a pussy, but if I was trying to win the competition I would’ve done my best to stay away from Randy.

Good strategy. I’d also try crying, it may through him off.

I would piss my pants. That might keep him away.[/quote]

I would unleash a diarrhea blossom.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
So, I guess the army doesn’t teach any defenses to grappling techniques.
[/quote]

They do. As I understand it, they run along these lines:

When someone comes to grapple with you, the Army teaches you to shoot them in the face with your rifle. If you don’t happen to have your rifle, then you should shoot them in the face with your sidearm. If you do not have your sidearm, then you might consider stabbing them in the belly with your knife.

If that is not an option, then you might hit them with your entrenching tool or headbutt them with your helmet or kick them in the nuts with your combat boot and then stomp on their head. These are all more reasonable options than a Muay Thai clinch or an ear-to-ear wrestling position, given the realities of Army life.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
treco wrote:
See Couture school those “joes” including the military close combat instructor?

Just goes to show you how crappy the average Joe is when it comes to combat. Heck, even the other Pros seemed intimidated watching Randy dismantle those guys.

Good training,

Sentoguy[/quote]

I think the pros would have gone down just as easily as the joes if they had climbed in the ring.

I wonder if an MP would be better suited to the contest.

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[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
So, I guess the army doesn’t teach any defenses to grappling techniques.

They do. As I understand it, they run along these lines:

When someone comes to grapple with you, the Army teaches you to shoot them in the face with your rifle. If you don’t happen to have your rifle, then you should shoot them in the face with your sidearm. If you do not have your sidearm, then you might consider stabbing them in the belly with your knife.

If that is not an option, then you might hit them with your entrenching tool or headbutt them with your helmet or kick them in the nuts with your combat boot and then stomp on their head. These are all more reasonable options than a Muay Thai clinch or an ear-to-ear wrestling position, given the realities of Army life. [/quote]

Truth, but the guys job was to teach unarmed hand to hand combat.

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I would have been more intrigued to see him take on a MARINE close quarters instructor. Those guys are a lot more learned in their MMA as Ken Shamrock has helped them with their programs.

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[quote]DooMMOoD wrote:
I would have been more intrigued to see him take on a MARINE close quarters instructor. Those guys are a lot more learned in their MMA as Ken Shamrock has helped them with their programs. [/quote]

If shamrock gave them the same “help” he gave the TUF 3 competitors, I’m not sure how much more learned they are

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
DooMMOoD wrote:
I would have been more intrigued to see him take on a MARINE close quarters instructor. Those guys are a lot more learned in their MMA as Ken Shamrock has helped them with their programs.

If shamrock gave them the same “help” he gave the TUF 3 competitors, I’m not sure how much more learned they are[/quote]
Hey I bet there golf game improved though!

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
DooMMOoD wrote:
I would have been more intrigued to see him take on a MARINE close quarters instructor. Those guys are a lot more learned in their MMA as Ken Shamrock has helped them with their programs.

If shamrock gave them the same “help” he gave the TUF 3 competitors, I’m not sure how much more learned they are[/quote]

But, but, but…ah shit he’s right.

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The guy was a reservist instructor, for fucks sake. Probably a Drill Sargeant at a reservist basic training, not the bread and butter of the fighting force if you get my drift. There is really no need for mail clerks and mechanics to be qualified in the upper tier level of hand to hand combat. Once you start moving up into the levels of airborne infantry, rangers, and special forces, you will see a major distinction between them and this turd.

Please don’t tell me some of your opinions of the Army are limited to reservists from West Virginia. I know that is what the media likes to show you, but trust me there are some bad ass mutherfuckers in the army and that douche wasn’t one of them. Please tell me some of you are smarter than that.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
So, I guess the army doesn’t teach any defenses to grappling techniques.

They do. As I understand it, they run along these lines:

When someone comes to grapple with you, the Army teaches you to shoot them in the face with your rifle. If you don’t happen to have your rifle, then you should shoot them in the face with your sidearm. If you do not have your sidearm, then you might consider stabbing them in the belly with your knife.

If that is not an option, then you might hit them with your entrenching tool or headbutt them with your helmet or kick them in the nuts with your combat boot and then stomp on their head. These are all more reasonable options than a Muay Thai clinch or an ear-to-ear wrestling position, given the realities of Army life.

Truth, but the guys job was to teach unarmed hand to hand combat.[/quote]

still, they teach deadly moves. rather than finding a round about way to submit a guy and win a competition, they need to kill the guy for good.

putting some one in an arm bar does no good if he taps out on a battle field. are you going to get up, shake hands and expect him to go hop off on his merry way? hell no. he’ll kill you.

combat hand to hand techniques are more along the lines of poking eyes out, stomping throats and knees, breaking necks, kicking downed people (a no no in the UFC), biting, kicking in the nuts, fish hooking faces in half etc.

krav maga plays a prominent role in hand hand military fighting techniques for many militaries. krav maga is also banned from the UFC and other competitive fighting leagues for that reason.

S.A.M.B.O is another military style fighting system, and many variations have been created for competitive purposes, but the original militaristic and defensive strategies are also banned from organized fighting competitions due to the inherant dangers and threats to life it shares with krav maga and any other military style fighting system.

comparing military hand to hand with grappling and randy coutoure is like comparing apples and oranges, but it does make good TV since the UFC has become very trendy and picked up such a strong following from non fighting fans in the last few years who don’t know any better.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
DooMMOoD wrote:
I would have been more intrigued to see him take on a MARINE close quarters instructor. Those guys are a lot more learned in their MMA as Ken Shamrock has helped them with their programs.

If shamrock gave them the same “help” he gave the TUF 3 competitors, I’m not sure how much more learned they are[/quote]

and you are a relatively new mma fan aren’t you? mma did have a history, ken a big part of it, many years before 2003.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
So, I guess the army doesn’t teach any defenses to grappling techniques.

They do. As I understand it, they run along these lines:

When someone comes to grapple with you, the Army teaches you to shoot them in the face with your rifle. If you don’t happen to have your rifle, then you should shoot them in the face with your sidearm. If you do not have your sidearm, then you might consider stabbing them in the belly with your knife.

If that is not an option, then you might hit them with your entrenching tool or headbutt them with your helmet or kick them in the nuts with your combat boot and then stomp on their head. These are all more reasonable options than a Muay Thai clinch or an ear-to-ear wrestling position, given the realities of Army life.

Truth, but the guys job was to teach unarmed hand to hand combat.

still, they teach deadly moves. rather than finding a round about way to submit a guy and win a competition, they need to kill the guy for good.

putting some one in an arm bar does no good if he taps out on a battle field. are you going to get up, shake hands and expect him to go hop off on his merry way? hell no. he’ll kill you.

combat hand to hand techniques are more along the lines of poking eyes out, stomping throats and knees, breaking necks, kicking downed people (a no no in the UFC), biting, kicking in the nuts, fish hooking faces in half etc.

krav maga plays a prominent role in hand hand military fighting techniques for many militaries. krav maga is also banned from the UFC and other competitive fighting leagues for that reason.

S.A.M.B.O is another military style fighting system, and many variations have been created for competitive purposes, but the original militaristic and defensive strategies are also banned from organized fighting competitions due to the inherant dangers and threats to life it shares with krav maga and any other military style fighting system.

comparing military hand to hand with grappling and randy coutoure is like comparing apples and oranges, but it does make good TV since the UFC has become very trendy and picked up such a strong following from non fighting fans in the last few years who don’t know any better. [/quote]

I hope we’re not about to have the “deadly arts” debate. Fuck all that bullshit, the Army, Marines, and Navy employ jiu-jitsu teachers.

Think UFC and cage fighters can’t throw down when it counts? What would you say to Gan McGee, a middle-of-the-road Heavyweight who handed a few SEALs their asses a few years back in a bar fight, one even tried the famed eye-gouge on him to no avail.

All things being equal on the cost to benefit ratio, being specialized in hand to hand falls into the realm of a minority specialization for military training. Its good to have, but its even better to be able to HALO in, hump 20 miles with a ruck while properly navigating the terrain, shoot your rifle with accuracy, call for fire without bombing yourself, swim 10 miles with a combat load, etc, etc. I’m not downplaying or criticising the badass credentials of our military, it is okay for them not to be great hand to hand fighters because that is not what they do on a regular basis. They are better than the average joe on the streets, but they will not beat a fighter who trains exclusively for hand to hand because they cannot devote the required time to be competitive.

When Royce tooled everybody back in the day, all the martial arts that aspired to compete with BJJ in terms of student enrollment spawned this idea that it is sport fighting and would not work in the streets or life and death situations. It is sport fighting, but if you don’t think it will work in the streets you are a fool. Any jackass can train a throat strike by hitting pads or sparring in slow motion, but how many can execute it when it matters at full speed with a moving opponent?

PS-Krav Maga does not hold a patent on stomping people, kicking downed opponents, eye gouging, etc…and is not banned in the UFC, that is getting a bit ridiculous…oooooo Krav Maga is so badass it is banned from the UFC get outta here.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
DooMMOoD wrote:
I would have been more intrigued to see him take on a MARINE close quarters instructor. Those guys are a lot more learned in their MMA as Ken Shamrock has helped them with their programs.

If shamrock gave them the same “help” he gave the TUF 3 competitors, I’m not sure how much more learned they are

and you are a relatively new mma fan aren’t you? mma did have a history, ken a big part of it, many years before 2003.
[/quote]

Too bad it seems like he’s still stuck in the 90s

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I was watching that fight Saturday night on Spike, and in one corner of the screen it said “previously recorded,” and another corner said “Live.” When did this fight take place? That was a ridiculous knockout though. You see the chick in the background cringe when it landed?

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[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
I was watching that fight Saturday night on Spike, and in one corner of the screen it said “previously recorded,” and another corner said “Live.” When did this fight take place? That was a ridiculous knockout though. You see the chick in the background cringe when it landed?[/quote]

Came on last Thursday, and I think it has come on once a day since. I watched it again to see if Heath Herring looked injured or not. He had quite a limp going to the octagon, but then again he was skipping rope like Rocky in the locker room. Who knows?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
treco wrote:
See Couture school those “joes” including the military close combat instructor?

That was hilarious. Best part of the night. You just need to show that to people who claim that they can “just go crazy” and be in the UFC.

But I’m not like those guys, I’d…blah blah blah… and he wouldn’t see it coming
(some arguments you’ll never win)

That said, I’d still love to have an opportunity like those guys against Couture (no strikes and he knows I’m buying the beer after if I’m not in the hospital).

If it was me in there, I would’ve just sprinted in circles around the octagon like a chicken shit…call me a pussy, but if I was trying to win the competition I would’ve done my best to stay away from Randy.

Good strategy. I’d also try crying, it may through him off.

I would piss my pants. That might keep him away.

LOL. Well, Randy did mention how people have crapped themselves from being choked out before and that he “wanted none of that”. So, maybe pissing yourself might work too.

Seriously though, I’m with the guys who said they would have just tried to stay away from him. That and I would try to clinch break when he did grab a hold of me.

I also thought it was funny how that army close quarters instructor had to keep mentioning it. Even going as far as telling McCarthy after the fight, then saying “but I knew that if I tried anything it would only make things worse”. LOL. So, I guess the army doesn’t teach any defenses to grappling techniques.

If I were Couture I would have tapped that guy out the most, just because he was trying to make it look he really knew what to do, but just decided not to.

Also, notice how none of those guys seemed the least big intimidated when going up against any of the other Pros. And how much more comfortable they seemed while competing in the other challenges. Just goes to show you how crappy the average Joe is when it comes to combat. Heck, even the other Pros seemed intimidated watching Randy dismantle those guys.

Good training,

Sentoguy[/quote]
slimjim wrote-
"All things being equal on the cost to benefit ratio, being specialized in hand to hand falls into the realm of a minority specialization for military training.

Its good to have, but its even better to be able to HALO in, hump 20 miles with a ruck while properly navigating the terrain, shoot your rifle with accuracy, call for fire without bombing yourself, swim 10 miles with a combat load, etc, etc.

I’m not downplaying or criticising the badass credentials of our military, it is okay for them not to be great hand to hand fighters because that is not what they do on a regular basis. They are better than the average joe on the streets, but they will not beat a fighter who trains exclusively for hand to hand because they cannot devote the required time to be competitive. "

slimjim,
I realize what you are saying and no one is arguing againist your point. Look at the comments I quoted above yours in this post, these guys automatically assume the guy on the show was the norm in the army. He was a reservist instructor, which means he was teaching female mail clerks and admin. reservist hand to hand probably in reservist basic training, which is probably a 30 min.

class that teaches you how to throw a jab, I wouldn’t know. My point is the people who made the ignorant comments I quoted above yours shouldn’t judge the entire fighting force by this turd. My 3 year old nephew could choke that dude out.

Would Randy have submitted the hand to hand instructor at Ranger School, without a doubt, but it would have been a lot tougher. You see some dumbasses automatically assume our military is full of uneducated poor kids who can’t do anything else and got suckered in by an evil recruiter, because that is what the media shows and tells them.

What else could you expect from a country whose past two presidents were draft dodgers and lets a draft dodger carry the olympic torch and brand them as heroes and being brave, what a joke.

You will never see a show about a platoon from Ranger Regiment, or 82nd airborne on T.V. You only see some platoon from the guard or reserves crying and embarrassing the real soldiers(there are some patriots in the guard and reserves that want to fight for thier country and I am not referring to you).

The sad part is the very people that view the military this way are the very ones who wouldn’t last one day in the easiest basic training there is. I hope you see my point slimjim.

To the guys that think this douchebag is the standard in the Army and are concerned about there ability to defend themselves, go to Fayetteville, NC or Columbus, GA and go out to the bars this weekend, run your cocksucker to a REAL soldier and see for yourself.