Specifically, the adjustment of the hands outward at around 22 and 38 seconds in.
Is that a legal move? Adjusting the hand position in between clean and jerk?
Ya it is.
Usually the lifter is a little more subtle about it, but it’s pretty common for them to use a wider grip when they go into their jerk.
Quite legal. I wish I had the flexibility of Dabaya as he casually rests the bar on his body while readjusting: - YouTube
Sweet.
My form just got tweaked.
It is legal, but not a good idea. I trained with a guy who did that and it destroyED his elbows. He was doing it to make the jerk easier, but it eventually forced him to quit lifting altogether.
The only way you can do it without destroying your elbows is keeping them down during the jerk. Most people rely on the their elbows being up, preventing the bar from sliding down their shoulders. Secondly, if your elbows are own you can only use your torso drive to move the bar overhead.
Most coaches would frown heavily upon jerking this way.
[quote]elih8er wrote:
It is legal, but not a good idea. I trained with a guy who did that and it destroyED his elbows. He was doing it to make the jerk easier, but it eventually forced him to quit lifting altogether.
The only way you can do it without destroying your elbows is keeping them down during the jerk. Most people rely on the their elbows being up, preventing the bar from sliding down their shoulders. Secondly, if your elbows are own you can only use your torso drive to move the bar overhead.
Most coaches would frown heavily upon jerking this way.[/quote]
Point.
That Dabaya character didn’t lean forward in his jerk at all (because he couldn’t, because his arms were so far out).
Shoot. I thought I’d found a shortcut.
[quote]Otep wrote:
Point.
That Dabaya character didn’t lean forward in his jerk at all (because he couldn’t, because his arms were so far out).
Shoot. I thought I’d found a shortcut.[/quote]
The thing to understand is when you see an unusual technique in these lifts there is usually a reason. An example would be Tanir Sagir. The guy is a certifiable badass sonvabitch, BUT I wouldn’t recommend anyone to emulate his snatch technique, especially the final pull. He is able to lift huge weights with his unorthodox technique, because it works for him while it would probably spell disaster for everyone else. Those unusual styles are only adopted after vigorously attempting to get the normal technique down fails.
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Otep wrote:
Point.
That Dabaya character didn’t lean forward in his jerk at all (because he couldn’t, because his arms were so far out).
Shoot. I thought I’d found a shortcut.
The thing to understand is when you see an unusual technique in these lifts there is usually a reason. An example would be Tanir Sagir. The guy is a certifiable badass sonvabitch, BUT I wouldn’t recommend anyone to emulate his snatch technique, especially the final pull. He is able to lift huge weights with his unorthodox technique, because it works for him while it would probably spell disaster for everyone else. Those unusual styles are only adopted after vigorously attempting to get the normal technique down fails.[/quote]
How is it unorthodox?
He’s a little more upright than normal, but most of the elite guys are. I just assumed that was because of their limb/torso proportion.
Try it and see how it works for you. I’ve found that I almost need to move my hands a bit once I get out of the hole. Once you figure out what is best strive to be consistent.
Sagir hyperextends to an almost ridiculous degree as he finishes his second pull. I know that the few times I’ve even moderately hyperextended (by accident) on my second pull, I’ve paid for it for days afterwards. If I were to try and emulate him, I’d have a herniated disk or worse in no time. Things like this are why a coach is important.
[quote]Otep wrote:
elih8er wrote:
Otep wrote:
Point.
That Dabaya character didn’t lean forward in his jerk at all (because he couldn’t, because his arms were so far out).
Shoot. I thought I’d found a shortcut.
The thing to understand is when you see an unusual technique in these lifts there is usually a reason. An example would be Tanir Sagir. The guy is a certifiable badass sonvabitch, BUT I wouldn’t recommend anyone to emulate his snatch technique, especially the final pull. He is able to lift huge weights with his unorthodox technique, because it works for him while it would probably spell disaster for everyone else. Those unusual styles are only adopted after vigorously attempting to get the normal technique down fails.
How is it unorthodox?
He’s a little more upright than normal, but most of the elite guys are. I just assumed that was because of their limb/torso proportion.[/quote]
Leaning back/hyper extending during the second pull is not a good thing. For most people it causes the bar to travel in an arc instead of a straight line. If the bar travels in an arc on the catch you are going to have to compensate some other way, jumping forwards or backwards. Now you have added some other element to the lift, how far do I have to jump back to catch the weight?
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Leaning back/hyper extending during the second pull is not a good thing. For most people it causes the bar to travel in an arc instead of a straight line. If the bar travels in an arc on the catch you are going to have to compensate some other way, jumping forwards or backwards. Now you have added some other element to the lift, how far do I have to jump back to catch the weight?[/quote]
Hence Sagir’s tendency to chase his lifts off the platform. He’s like an inverted Vanev.
[quote]ninearms wrote:
elih8er wrote:
Leaning back/hyper extending during the second pull is not a good thing. For most people it causes the bar to travel in an arc instead of a straight line. If the bar travels in an arc on the catch you are going to have to compensate some other way, jumping forwards or backwards. Now you have added some other element to the lift, how far do I have to jump back to catch the weight?
Hence Sagir’s tendency to chase his lifts off the platform. He’s like an inverted Vanev.
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I have this problem big time, especially with the snatch. I usually end up jumping backwards a few inches. When I try to concentrate on going up I don’t seem to get as good a pull.
I don’t think jumping back by a couple of inches is a big deal. Pulling backwards and leaning the torso back at the end of the pull directs more force upwards. Jumping back is just a consequence of this.
[quote]ninearms wrote:
I don’t think jumping back by a couple of inches is a big deal. Pulling backwards and leaning the torso back at the end of the pull directs more force upwards. Jumping back is just a consequence of this.[/quote]
How can leaning and pulling back direct force upwards? Seems like it would just pull backwards.
[quote]Otep wrote:
Specifically, the adjustment of the hands outward at around 22 and 38 seconds in.
Is that a legal move? Adjusting the hand position in between clean and jerk?[/quote]
absolutely