Hillary vs. Carson?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
ZEB, first off where is the source backing your stance. I will have to call the lady who told me about her claim and ask if I can have a source. If I fail though, PLEASE send me pm reminding me ; ) Three TBI?s and an anoxic head injury has done crazy crap to my brain jajajaja!
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I’ve read many of your posts and head injury or not you’ve made more sense than just about anyone else around these parts.
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I’m not surprised you feel that way. You both have a distain for evidence and history.

Recent post-Paris polling shows Cruz rising and Carson at best staying flat, and most likely falling. I’m guessing this has to do with his foreign policy knowledge. Still plenty of time for things to change.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
Recent post-Paris polling shows Cruz rising and Carson at best staying flat, and most likely falling. I’m guessing this has to do with his foreign policy knowledge. Still plenty of time for things to change.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

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It’s true Carson has zip relative foreign policy knowledge. But I think his downfall began when the press literally smothered him with what they called inconsistencies in his book. He’s also becoming a bit testy at least the past couple of interviews that I watched. He actually accused the press of having a left wing bias…can you imagine that?

Anyway, Trump resurgence after the Paris attacks is what is disturbing to me. Just when his support seemed to be leveling out he got another boost because those polled think he would be tougher on terrorism than our current President (and other GOP candidates). But as most know Mr. Rogers would be tougher on terrorism than Obama.

As you say there is plenty of time for things to change and I think they will.

What are your thoughts on Rubio and Cruz gaining from Carson’s fall? Do you think that they are getting some of the former Carson support?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
Recent post-Paris polling shows Cruz rising and Carson at best staying flat, and most likely falling. I’m guessing this has to do with his foreign policy knowledge. Still plenty of time for things to change.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

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It’s true Carson has zip relative foreign policy knowledge. But I think his downfall began when the press literally smothered him with what they called inconsistencies in his book. He’s also becoming a bit testy at least the past couple of interviews that I watched. He actually accused the press of having a left wing bias…can you imagine that?

Anyway, Trump resurgence after the Paris attacks is what is disturbing to me. Just when his support seemed to be leveling out he got another boost because those polled think he would be tougher on terrorism than our current President (and other GOP candidates). But as most know Mr. Rogers would be tougher on terrorism than Obama.

As you say there is plenty of time for things to change and I think they will.

What are your thoughts on Rubio and Cruz gaining from Carson’s fall? Do you think that they are getting some of the former Carson support?[/quote]

Polling indicates that the most trusted candidate to handle the threat of terrorism is Clinton, followed by Bush, Rubio, Cruz, Trump, and lastly Carson. Tied for forth place is hardly good.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

What are your thoughts on Rubio and Cruz gaining from Carson’s fall? Do you think that they are getting some of the former Carson support?[/quote]

I think Cruz is in a position to gain if Carson/Trump falter. I do agree the it is surprising that Trump’s support is consistent even with the his foreign policy stance.

Its looking like a 4 person race right now. Trump, Carson, Cruz, and Rubio. Bush will stay in because he has the $$. I think Carson will be the first to fall out of the current top 4, and I’m still baffled by Trump. This is all early polling conclusions at this point are more like guesses.

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

What are your thoughts on Rubio and Cruz gaining from Carson’s fall? Do you think that they are getting some of the former Carson support?[/quote]

I think Cruz is in a position to gain if Carson/Trump falter. I do agree the it is surprising that Trump’s support is consistent even with the his foreign policy stance.

Its looking like a 4 person race right now. Trump, Carson, Cruz, and Rubio. Bush will stay in because he has the $$. I think Carson will be the first to fall out of the current top 4, and I’m still baffled by Trump. This is all early polling conclusions at this point are more like guesses.[/quote]

I agree Carson has lost his magic with the public and I’m happy about that. I couldn’t see him doing well in a debate with Hillary especially when the topic came around to foreign policy. And as I have said many times, while he is a good man, he does not have the proper temperament for such a leadership position. When I can’t get to sleep at night after a long day I play a Carson speech and off I go… :slight_smile:

I agree Bush has the bucks so he is going to spend them. But I think even he knows at this point that he is not going to get the nomination. I look at it as a three man race Trump, Rubio and Cruz. As I said Trump’s new support comes because of his tough stance on terrorism. Of course he has no details and I think as the debate’s go to 4 or 5 people those glaring holes will be exposed. Rubio and Cruz can talk for hours regarding foreign policy so they will rise at least that is my hope.

What about Fiorina, do you see her hanging in there to stay relevant for a VP spot?

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
Recent post-Paris polling shows Cruz rising and Carson at best staying flat, and most likely falling. I’m guessing this has to do with his foreign policy knowledge. Still plenty of time for things to change.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

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It’s true Carson has zip relative foreign policy knowledge. But I think his downfall began when the press literally smothered him with what they called inconsistencies in his book. He’s also becoming a bit testy at least the past couple of interviews that I watched. He actually accused the press of having a left wing bias…can you imagine that?

Anyway, Trump resurgence after the Paris attacks is what is disturbing to me. Just when his support seemed to be leveling out he got another boost because those polled think he would be tougher on terrorism than our current President (and other GOP candidates). But as most know Mr. Rogers would be tougher on terrorism than Obama.

As you say there is plenty of time for things to change and I think they will.

What are your thoughts on Rubio and Cruz gaining from Carson’s fall? Do you think that they are getting some of the former Carson support?[/quote]

Polling indicates that the most trusted candidate to handle the threat of terrorism is Clinton, followed by Bush, Rubio, Cruz, Trump, and lastly Carson. Tied for forth place is hardly good.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/23/morning-plum-shock-poll-finds-hillary-clinton-more-trusted-on-terrorism-than-her-gop-rivals/[/quote]

That might be true but she also has the highest negative ratings (along with Trump) and as you know when your negatives hit anywhere near 50% (and she is over that currently) you don’t get elected to the Presidency.

I am disappointed that our selection is narrowed down to:

A Blowhard autocrat businessman that has never held any political office
B Nearly comatose but common sense surgeon that has never held political office
C 2 young career politicians that have never progressed up a corporate ladder
D An old, career, & Socialist politician
E the polled least trustworthy candidate whom I also personally find despicable
F Zero military experience for any, yet expected to be competent CIC

My leader pipe dream ,er, wishlist once again:

A military experience to understand the culture & how to function in an
autocratic system of directing and follow commands
B some corporate experience showing ownership experience of P/L and
directing people
C Congressional or gubernatorial experience to learn how to work within the
governing process laid out by the Constitution.

[quote]treco wrote:
I am disappointed that our selection is narrowed down to:

A Blowhard autocrat businessman that has never held any political office
B Nearly comatose but common sense surgeon that has never held political office
C 2 young career politicians that have never progressed up a corporate ladder
D An old, career, & Socialist politician
E the polled least trustworthy candidate whom I also personally find despicable
F Zero military experience for any, yet expected to be competent CIC

My leader pipe dream ,er, wishlist once again:

A military experience to understand the culture & how to function in an
autocratic system of directing and follow commands
B some corporate experience showing ownership experience of P/L and
directing people
C Congressional or gubernatorial experience to learn how to work within the
governing process laid out by the Constitution. [/quote]

Modern history has shown us that some of our best Presidents were former Governors. But, we just don’t have the power in that area this time around. Bush is unable to get the GOP nomination as can be seen by his poll numbers. Kasich is far too liberal to capture the nomination. Ghristie and Huckabee just didn’t light up the voters interest. Pataki never had a chance. I still can’t figure out why he even entered the race. Gilmore is a former Governor who also never had a chance.

By the way I think they were all good leaders as their records show. As I have said best GOP field in a long time. But we live in weird times. The most liberal man to ever hold the Presidency has one more year to go and he has pulled his party to the left. The back lash on such a thing is happening with the GOP.

People are excited about Trump because of his tough talk and apparent will to get the job done. This is the opposite of Obama and we tend to elect opposites at the Presidential level. We went from Ike to Kennedy, from Carter to Reagan, there are others as well.

While Rubio and Cruz may not have the executive experience they are both strong Candidates relative to their knowledge and substance. Can’t say that about Trump or Carson.

I would feel very comfortable with either of them in the White House. But, I do think that Rubio has the best chance of beating Hillary because of his charisma. Cruz seems lackluster in that areas, and in fact looks a little goofy at times with a high pitched voice. Yeah I know it seems shallow but that’s how the typical voter actually makes up their minds. Do you think they examined Obama? Ha ha…if they did he would never have won. He has a great smile, great speaking voice and loaded with charisma.

Granted I don’t think we need someone with movie star good looks to beat the likes of Hillary Clinton. She’s 68 and looks every year even after having extensive work done on her face. As for charisma she has none. She comes off as quite insincere. I also think she lacks the energy to campaign as hard as either Cruz or Rubio. She will be unable to maintain a rigorous campaign schedule. If you recall she had that fainting problem a few years back.

Anyway, once again I would feel comfortable with Cruz or Rubio in the White House. Keep in mind it is not Obama’s lack of experience that makes him the worst modern day President. Realistically after 7 years a smart guy would be able to figure out how to make the right moves. It is Obama’s left wing positions on every issue that makes him a very bad President.

As I have said before even if Hillary did win (which she will not) she would be a breath of fresh air after 8 years of Obama.

Carson was Swift-Boated.

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Carson was Swift-Boated. [/quote]

He Absolutely did. Hillary on the other hand never gets a Benghazi or email question from the loving left wing media. Yet, that same media is concerned about whether Carson had temper tantrums as a youth.

I hope everyone sees the double standard that is clearly on display. That’s why I always say the media is worth about 2 or 3 percent to the democrat. The republicans really do start out every Presidential election with a deficit. That’s why they need a strong candidate and I assure you Trump is NOT it.

The media has not focused in on Trump because they want him to be the republican nominee. And if he does get the nomination they will unload on him like there is no tomorrow. Let’s face it there is a lot there to attack when it comes to Donald Trump. Both he and Ben Carson need to go away now and let the people who can actually win take over.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Carson was Swift-Boated. [/quote]

He Absolutely did. Hillary on the other hand never gets a Benghazi or email question from the loving left wing media. Yet, that same media is concerned about whether Carson had temper tantrums as a youth.

I hope everyone sees the double standard that is clearly on display. That’s why I always say the media is worth about 2 or 3 percent to the democrat. The republicans really do start out every Presidential election with a deficit. That’s why they need a strong candidate and I assure you Trump is NOT it.

The media has not focused in on Trump because they want him to be the republican nominee. And if he does get the nomination they will unload on him like there is no tomorrow. Let’s face it there is a lot there to attack when it comes to Donald Trump. Both he and Ben Carson need to go away now and let the people who can actually win take over.[/quote]

In regard to Bengazi, there have been eight investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings and over 25,000 pages of documents that have been released.

Trump has been under intense media scrutiny. Everytime he opens his mouth near a microphone he goes on an incendiary rant, and we all get to hear about it later that day. Articles bashing Trump are ubiquitous. The need to jettison Carson and Trump is also pretty commonplace.

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Carson was Swift-Boated. [/quote]

He Absolutely did. Hillary on the other hand never gets a Benghazi or email question from the loving left wing media. Yet, that same media is concerned about whether Carson had temper tantrums as a youth.

I hope everyone sees the double standard that is clearly on display. That’s why I always say the media is worth about 2 or 3 percent to the democrat. The republicans really do start out every Presidential election with a deficit. That’s why they need a strong candidate and I assure you Trump is NOT it.

The media has not focused in on Trump because they want him to be the republican nominee. And if he does get the nomination they will unload on him like there is no tomorrow. Let’s face it there is a lot there to attack when it comes to Donald Trump. Both he and Ben Carson need to go away now and let the people who can actually win take over.[/quote]

In regard to Bengazi, there have been eight investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings and over 25,000 pages of documents that have been released.[/quote]

Precisely my point. All of that and the media still remains silent when interviewing Hillary Clinton. Can you imagine if Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio had been involved in such nefarious activity? They would be hounded by the mainstream liberal media.

Agreed Trump makes headlines. But even so he has not been under the scrutiny that Dr. Carson has suffered with. Trump is indeed the democrats first choice to run against Hillary.

We both can see that Carson and Trump are in over their heads. Unfortunately for the republicans Trump remains in the top spot. I think he was starting to fade before the Paris attacks. For some reason certain GOP voters think that Trump would be the best pick to handle terrorism. My theory on that is we have had such a soft talking President who in fact does not carry a big stick that these voters are looking for the opposite…unfortunately.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Carson was Swift-Boated. [/quote]

He Absolutely did. Hillary on the other hand never gets a Benghazi or email question from the loving left wing media. Yet, that same media is concerned about whether Carson had temper tantrums as a youth.

I hope everyone sees the double standard that is clearly on display. That’s why I always say the media is worth about 2 or 3 percent to the democrat. The republicans really do start out every Presidential election with a deficit. That’s why they need a strong candidate and I assure you Trump is NOT it.

The media has not focused in on Trump because they want him to be the republican nominee. And if he does get the nomination they will unload on him like there is no tomorrow. Let’s face it there is a lot there to attack when it comes to Donald Trump. Both he and Ben Carson need to go away now and let the people who can actually win take over.[/quote]

In regard to Bengazi, there have been eight investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings and over 25,000 pages of documents that have been released.[/quote]

Precisely my point. All of that and the media still remains silent when interviewing Hillary Clinton. Can you imagine if Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio had been involved in such nefarious activity? They would be hounded by the mainstream liberal media.

Agreed Trump makes headlines. But even so he has not been under the scrutiny that Dr. Carson has suffered with. Trump is indeed the democrats first choice to run against Hillary.

We both can see that Carson and Trump are in over their heads. Unfortunately for the republicans Trump remains in the top spot. I think he was starting to fade before the Paris attacks. For some reason certain GOP voters think that Trump would be the best pick to handle terrorism. My theory on that is we have had such a soft talking President who in fact does not carry a big stick that these voters are looking for the opposite…unfortunately.
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All of the investigations found no wrongdoing on the part of the administration in general and Hiliary Clinton in particular. Not exactly nefarious. They are readily available to you. I won’t rehash what tens of thousands of pages of documents and millions of dollars have already yielded.

In a recent poll, Trump was tied for forth in regard to who voters trust most to counter terrorism (1. Clinton; 2. Bush; 3. Rubio; 4. Cruz; 5. Carson). I already cited the article twice prior to this post. Trump’s complete lack of foreign policy knowledge and experience is likely to hurt his post-Paris, in spite of his “strong” (that is, imbecilic) tough talk.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hillary on the other hand never gets a Benghazi or email question from the loving left wing media.[/quote]

No. Clinton actively avoided national media interviews throughout the early part of the summer. Her first national interview in the 2016 campaign season was with CNN, during which she was asked multiple questions about the emails. The “I’m sorry” came a little later, in an interview with ABC, during which, of course, she was again asked about the emails. These are just two of many examples. Stop being wrong. It’s bad for you.

[quote]Bismark wrote

All of the investigations found no wrongdoing on the part of the administration in general and Hiliary Clinton in particular. [/quote]

nevermind the lies, nothing to see here.

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote

All of the investigations found no wrongdoing on the part of the administration in general and Hiliary Clinton in particular. [/quote]

nevermind the lies, nothing to see here. [/quote]

Interesting that you have such a strong opinion on something you haven’t bothered to study. Me? I think quantum mechanics is poppycock. I haven’t studied it in depth (or at all), but it doesn’t jive with my cloistered Weltanshauug.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hillary on the other hand never gets a Benghazi or email question from the loving left wing media.[/quote]

No. Clinton actively avoided national media interviews throughout the early part of the summer. Her first national interview in the 2016 campaign season was with CNN, during which she was asked multiple questions about the emails. The “I’m sorry” came a little later, in an interview with ABC, during which, of course, she was again asked about the emails. These are just two of many examples. Stop being wrong. It’s bad for you.[/quote]

It’s easier to put you on ignore and avoid all these troublesome and demonstrative facts.

[quote]Bismark wrote:

All of the investigations found no wrongdoing on the part of the administration in general and Hiliary Clinton in particular. Not exactly nefarious. They are readily available to you. I won’t rehash what tens of thousands of pages of documents and millions of dollars have already yielded.[/quote]

I should be hearing this question if the media were fair:

Reporter: Mrs. Clinton why is it that you told your daughter by phone that there was a planned terrorist attack (unrelated to any online video) and then to the media you said it had to do with am online video?

If someone named Bush, or any republican for that matter did the same thing he would have been tarred and feathered by the left wing media.

That’s interesting then why did Trump’s poll numbers take a jump up after Paris?

Let’s hope so it hurts his chances he has worn out his welcome and needs to be shown the door.