Does no one care about the plagerizism of articles in posts they make?
I mean, come on, show some respect.
Not that I’m going to add much to this discussion, but the general uprising against HFCS is this lazy dieter’s worst enemy.
Ka-wha? Here comes the science.
About 2 years back, I decided that I wasn’t going to eat HFCS, not out of any scientific proof that it was worse than sugar, but because I realized that pretty much everything that you would classify as “crap” contained it.
Cutting out HFCS made it easy to avoid crap–I could look for one thing on the packaging, and immediately decide whether I couldn’t eat it.
If the public at large gets all incensed about HFCS, manufacturers will stop using it, and probably start using something else, so that they can advertise, “HFCS free!”
Think about the saturated fats scare (early 90’s?), and how manufacturers began using trans-fats, then piously proclaimed “0g Saturated Fat”.
Point is, I could give a shit about HFCS in things, since taking it out of crap makes it harder to watch my diet.
Which makes my life harder, producing stress.
Which produces cortisol, and who needs THAT?
So knock it off, y’all.
[quote]laroyal wrote:
IronAbrams wrote:
brancron wrote:
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.
Thank you for being the voice of reason.
I’ve yet to see any body of research proving that HFCS is worse for general health and body composition- they’re both shit.
I guess you misse dthe first post I had so allow me to expand on what I wrote:
High-fructose corn syrup is made from corn starch and contains similar amounts of both fructose and glucose. Sucrose, on the other hand, is a larger sugar molecule that is metabolized in the intestine into glucose and fructose.
The syrup is easier to blend into beverages and tastes sweeter than refined sugar, allowing food manufacturers to use less. Also, the price of high-fructose corn syrup dropped slightly in the 1980s, leading to huge savings for the food industry.
However, while the switch made sense economically, fructose is absorbed differently than other sugars, which may have nutritional consequences. When glucose is consumed, it increases production of insulin, which enables sugar in the blood to be transported into cells where it can be used for energy. It also increases production of leptin, a hormone that helps regulate appetite and fat storage, and suppresses production of ghrelin, a hormone made by the stomach that helps regulate food intake. Because of this reaction, it has been suggested that after eating glucose, hunger declines.
Fructose, however, doesn’t stimulate insulin secretion or increase leptin production or suppress production of ghrelin. Therefore, researchers suggest that consuming a lot of fructose, similar to consuming a lot of fat, may contribute to weight gain.
The enzyme that regulates whether carbs are stored as glycogen or fat is phosphofructokinase-I. The job of this enzyme is to shuttle carbs into glycogen stores until full, then switch the flow of carbs from glycogen synthesis to fat synthesis. Fructose, however, skips this step is sent directly to the liver where it replenishes liver glycogen stores and is converted to fat.
Further, fructose may alter the magnesium balance in the body, leading to an acceleration of bone loss, according to a USDA study.
Researchers have also examined evidence from multiple studies and concluded that large quantities of fructose from a variety of sources, such as table sugar and high-fructose corn syrup, induce insulin resistance, impair glucose tolerance, produce high levels of insulin, boost a dangerous type of fat in the blood and cause high blood pressure in animals.
I think you get the idea?!?!?
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Look at the bolded text.
HFCS and table sugar are almost chemically identical.
High five IronAbrams!
Table sugar, HFCS, honey, maple syrup–all of these sweeteners are equal, in terms of sweetness (caloric content) and in terms of the way they are metabolized by the body.
All of them are lame sources of calories for the calorie-restricted individual.
The wording of the above sentence is very important. These sugars aren’t bad for people per se. And they don’t contribute to fat gain per se. They’re just not the best source of calories, and they’re easy to overdo because they taste oh so sweet!
structurally they are almost identicle in terms of how they are metabolized they are not.
[quote]laroyal wrote:
structurally they are almost identicle in terms of how they are metabolized they are not.[/quote]
I’ll take your word for it, but…
Where is the body of research demonstrating that they have different effects on body composition and general health?
Monsivais et al. (2007). “Sugars and satiety: does the type of sweetener make a difference?”. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 86: 116�??123.
I’ll try to post something about HFCS this weekend from the book I’ve recommended earlier.
I saw a HFCS commercial today. It was two women discussing the HFCS in what looked like koolaid. The one woman even says, “it’s made from corn” as if that makes it a vegetable. Also, she goes on to say, “no added sugar.”
[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
laroyal wrote:
structurally they are almost identicle in terms of how they are metabolized they are not.
I’ll take your word for it, but…
Where is the body of research demonstrating that they have different effects on body composition and general health?
Monsivais et al. (2007). “Sugars and satiety: does the type of sweetener make a difference?”. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 86: 116�??123.[/quote]
Here are some studdies to back my claims
References
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de Castro JM, Paullin SK and DeLugas GM. Insulin and glucagon as determinants of body weight set point and microregulation in rats. J. Comp. Physiol. Psychol. 92: 571-579, 1978.
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Bjorntorp P, and Brodoff BN. Obesity. J.B. Lippincott Co., Philadelphia, 1992.
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Shafrir E. Fructose/sucrose metabolism, its physiological and pathological implications. Sugars and Sweeteners, Kretchmer N and Hollenbeck CB, Eds. p. 63-98. CRC Press, 1991.
I live in MN, have not seen that commercial.
They are airing the commercial in Connecticut as well.
My friends (knowing that I am staunchly opposed to HFCS) couldn’t wait to tell me about it and get my reaction. As I suspected, the commercial just compares HFCS to processed sugar, which is just comparing shit to shit.
And the whole moderation thing is just hilarious. Shit is shit. A little bit of it might not be horribly detrimental to your health, but it sure isn’t healthy either. I won’t be able to hold back laughter if I hear someone say they eat hfcs or processed sugar “in moderation” as a sign of dietary virtue.
The bottom line is that most Americans are eating wildly unhealthy amounts of this crap and need to stop for the sake of their bodies and my eyeballs.
[quote]bluejay wrote:
Let us say that HFCS was never invented and that instead all of the tasty treats at dairy queen were sweetened by high fructose sugar beet syrup. This would not stop hungry, sweets craving lard babies from gulping down their blizzards. If you want to blame something for obesity blame the people feeding themselves too many of the deliciously sweet cool treats.
I am sorry for picking on dairy queen, feel free to replace that franchise with any other franchise or a locally owned sugar plaza. [/quote]
Do you work at Dairy Queen?
Do you know the operational structure of Dairy Queen?
Don’t start talking about something you know nothing about…you’ve been warned.
j/k
that one guy has posted so many times crying about farmers that he COULD have posted one link (or even an entire book) to help make his case. Instead he is just banging his keyboard against his head in some sort of rage. funny.
Yes - I’ve been seeing those commercials here in New York for about 2 weeks.
I just saw the juice commercial here in Illinois today.
Here’s the links for anyone that hasn’t seen them
[quote]iamthewolf wrote:
i was just curious if anyone else has begun seeing commercials (sponsored by the corn refiners association) spinning high fructose corn syrup as a completely acceptable additive / alternative to sugar. i don’t know if these are just being shown regionally (i’m in boston), or if this is a nationwide campaign to promote this junk.
after laughing at the commercials with my girlfriend she found the following link, which just pushes this whole spectacle over the edge:
i just think it’s funny, and a little sad, that they’re trying to convince people that hfcs is “ok in moderation.” i mean, are the corn farmers and refiners really hurting that much? hfcs is in just about every processed food known to man. plus, corn is a government subsidized crop after all… [/quote]
I am in Ohio and I have seen the commercial a few days ago.
Type, “HFCS insulin” into the search and read.
Well, since first reading this thread, I’ve now seen the commercial. Whether or not you hate HFCS or farmers or both, the commercial is retarded.
Hopefully I don’t get raged on for my obvious ignorance about marketing and television commercial production.
I’ve seen the stupid-ass commercial here in California as well. The one with the chick pushing the HFCS shit to her uninformed sorry excuse for a boyfriend. Pathetic.
I find it sad that he has no answer… to think that the majority of the public isn’t aware that sugar in general causes unnecessary influxes in blood glucose levels therefore adversely affecting insulin secretion??
What gives health class??
The purpose of the commericials is to dispel the myth that HFCS is any different from sugar, not that either is good for you. If you’re fine with eating the occasional popsicle, then you don’t have to worry whether it’s made with sucrose or with HFCS (but incidentally, higher quality brands tend to use regular sugar because it’s sexier).