[quote]Trenchant wrote:
I frickin love when laroyal answers crap…I learn so much. I feel like a stalker though because of my all of a sudden paying attention when he speaks. haha[/quote]
LOL thanks:-) Feel free to PM if there is anything I can help you with and I promise I won’t file stalking charges:-) I just try to contribute where I can, I love these forums as much as you and I too have learned from others!
i hope i dont get flamed for saying this, but here goes:
i saw a commercial about an hour ago with a girl eating a popsickle and then offering to share it with her boyfriend. he acted like a chick like hed get fat from a popsickle, then she told him that the HFCS was ok in moderation, in which case i think he gave in.
besides the fact that it was a commercial promoting HFCS, i found it to be ridiculous…the guy was such a bitch about it.
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
i hope i dont get flamed for saying this, but here goes:
i saw a commercial about an hour ago with a girl eating a popsickle and then offering to share it with her boyfriend. he acted like a chick like hed get fat from a popsickle, then she told him that the HFCS was ok in moderation, in which case i think he gave in.
besides the fact that it was a commercial promoting HFCS, i found it to be ridiculous…the guy was such a bitch about it. [/quote]
Bingo. That’s the one.
[quote]kakattack wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
i hope i dont get flamed for saying this, but here goes:
i saw a commercial about an hour ago with a girl eating a popsickle and then offering to share it with her boyfriend. he acted like a chick like hed get fat from a popsickle, then she told him that the HFCS was ok in moderation, in which case i think he gave in.
besides the fact that it was a commercial promoting HFCS, i found it to be ridiculous…the guy was such a bitch about it.
Bingo. That’s the one.[/quote]
yeah, that’s one of the commercials i’ve seen. the other has two mothers at a kid’s birthday or something talking about the hfcs in fruit juice.
Didn’t read all the posts in this thread, but I hope no one is arguing against the fact that HFCS is the perfect fat-storing food, and is the biggest reason for increasing diabetes rates.
[quote]kakattack wrote:
I still want to know if these commercials are airing elsewhere or just in Mass.
Anyone else seen them?[/quote]
I saw one for the first time last night (in MD)
As I see it -
There is evidence that HFCS is a particularly fattening source of calories.
The way Americans eat HAS changed significantly over the last 40 years.
It is hard to out-exercise a diet with a lot of calorie-dense foods (and drinks).
Farming is a tough way to make a living, subsidies or no.
Although it is annoying when people oppose farm subsidies out of ignorance, The Economist, which is most certainly not written by ignoramuses, holds its position that the US should phase out farm subsidies.
There are many, many threads on T-Nation bashing the American diet. But, however much the American diet may worsen rates of obesity, diabetes, and such, these problems are preferable, IMO, to starvation and malnutrition that occurs in countries with poor food production and/or distribution. I wouldn’t trade my life in an economy using lots of corn to live in a place where I had to scrounge around for berries, nuts, and seeds, and when the weather is not so favorable, starve to death.
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.
[quote]brancron wrote:
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.[/quote]
I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not…
it almost seems as if you are advocating that sugar or HFCS are a healthy part of a person’s diet and all this is just a witchhunt
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
brancron wrote:
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.
I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not…
it almost seems as if you are advocating that sugar or HFCS are a healthy part of a person’s diet and all this is just a witchhunt
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i just read it, and i dont think it was meant as sarcasm.
and, respectfully, i dont think he meant that HFCS or sugar were a “healthy” part of a diet. I believe what he meant is that HFCS is no more responsible for obesity than any other type of sugar, or to simplify that, that obesity is so prevalent because people are simply eating way too much, regardless of the source of calorie.
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
brancron wrote:
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.
I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not…
it almost seems as if you are advocating that sugar or HFCS are a healthy part of a person’s diet and all this is just a witchhunt
i just read it, and i dont think it was meant as sarcasm.
and, respectfully, i dont think he meant that HFCS or sugar were a “healthy” part of a diet. I believe what he meant is that HFCS is no more responsible for obesity than any other type of sugar, or to simplify that, that obesity is so prevalent because people are simply eating way too much, regardless of the source of calorie.
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well that is the truth isn’t it? Folks always want someone or something to blame though.
thanks for the clarification
[quote]iamthewolf wrote:
rainjack wrote:
But for some reason, you seem to think it is ok to hurl back handed insults at the industry that allows you the convenience of not having to know anything about it to live.
again i’m at a loss. i can’t understand why you think i’m insulting farmers. i’m commenting on the promotion of a product that, as others before me have mentioned, is not good for you, as being perfectly fine.
i understand that the farming and ranching industries play a huge role in people’s lives, and that the general population has no idea what goes into either of them.
i also understand that it has particular importance to you since you have built some kind of business around it. i’m not going to argue with you any more about it since it was never my aim to discuss the industry side of this in the first place. i was commenting on their marketing.[/quote]
There was never an argument. You tried to get some digs in about farming and subsidies, and I called you on your utter lack of knowledge on the subject.
That’s it.
Next time, if you want to ask if someone has seen a commercial, then stick to that. Don’t wade into waters you have no clue about.
anybody see the PBS documentary called King Corn ?
I’d love to hear a farmer’s opinion of it .
here’s a link to the site .
I realize that everybody , including PBS , has an agenda ; thats why I’d like to hear a farmer’s take on it .
not trying to crap on anybodys doorstep though
[quote]brancron wrote:
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.[/quote]
Thank you for being the voice of reason.
I’ve yet to see any body of research proving that HFCS is worse for general health and body composition- they’re both shit.
I live in Nebraska, they apparently didn’t waste the money to promote corn here.
Screw the corn farmers, by the way…I want the subsidies to go to the cattle ranchers so my family can produce more and better beef for me.
Let us say that HFCS was never invented and that instead all of the tasty treats at dairy queen were sweetened by high fructose sugar beet syrup. This would not stop hungry, sweets craving lard babies from gulping down their blizzards. If you want to blame something for obesity blame the people feeding themselves too many of the deliciously sweet cool treats.
I am sorry for picking on dairy queen, feel free to replace that franchise with any other franchise or a locally owned sugar plaza.
I don’t think consuming HFCS is a great choice, either, but I don’t think corn is the crap heap you think it is. If it weren’t such an efficient food source, meat producers would not be feeding it.
I believe the reason it is fed to our cattle/chickens is because it’s cheap and easy and helps fatten up the animals. That doesn’t necessarily make it a good thing.
Rainjack, I would like for you to comment on this response from Nate Dogg
Just read this on the Poliquin thread, fwiw:
“Fructose syrup is the most fattening food we know of and it ages you; avoid it at all costs.”
The problem w/ HFCS is that it is added to almost every processed food. It is empty calories, just like sugar and it should generally be avoided.
[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
brancron wrote:
This anti-HFCS is a bunch of bullshit. Why can’t you people think clearly?
ALL the anti-HFCS people have to go on are two things: (1) the correlation between increased HFCS consumption and obesity, and (2) studies showing that fructose is worse for you than sucrose. In reply…
(1) The rise in obesity has nothing to do with HFCS in particular, it is simply the increase in sugar consumption in general that’s the problem.
(2) HFCS has almost exactly the same amount of fructose as table sugar does. People hear “high fructose” and make assumptions without realizing it’s called that because pure corn syrup is 100% glucose.
Thank you for being the voice of reason.
I’ve yet to see any body of research proving that HFCS is worse for general health and body composition- they’re both shit.[/quote]
I guess you misse dthe first post I had so allow me to expand on what I wrote:
High-fructose corn syrup is made from corn starch and contains similar amounts of both fructose and glucose. Sucrose, on the other hand, is a larger sugar molecule that is metabolized in the intestine into glucose and fructose.
The syrup is easier to blend into beverages and tastes sweeter than refined sugar, allowing food manufacturers to use less. Also, the price of high-fructose corn syrup dropped slightly in the 1980s, leading to huge savings for the food industry.
However, while the switch made sense economically, fructose is absorbed differently than other sugars, which may have nutritional consequences. When glucose is consumed, it increases production of insulin, which enables sugar in the blood to be transported into cells where it can be used for energy. It also increases production of leptin, a hormone that helps regulate appetite and fat storage, and suppresses production of ghrelin, a hormone made by the stomach that helps regulate food intake. Because of this reaction, it has been suggested that after eating glucose, hunger declines.
Fructose, however, doesn’t stimulate insulin secretion or increase leptin production or suppress production of ghrelin. Therefore, researchers suggest that consuming a lot of fructose, similar to consuming a lot of fat, may contribute to weight gain.
The enzyme that regulates whether carbs are stored as glycogen or fat is phosphofructokinase-I. The job of this enzyme is to shuttle carbs into glycogen stores until full, then switch the flow of carbs from glycogen synthesis to fat synthesis. Fructose, however, skips this step is sent directly to the liver where it replenishes liver glycogen stores and is converted to fat.
Further, fructose may alter the magnesium balance in the body, leading to an acceleration of bone loss, according to a USDA study.
Researchers have also examined evidence from multiple studies and concluded that large quantities of fructose from a variety of sources, such as table sugar and high-fructose corn syrup, induce insulin resistance, impair glucose tolerance, produce high levels of insulin, boost a dangerous type of fat in the blood and cause high blood pressure in animals.
I think you get the idea?!?!?