^^The fact that three students had to have emergency surgery (i believe it was 3??) Leads me to believe that it possibly wasn’t just because of a dumb exercise choice.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^The fact that three students had to have emergency surgery (i believe it was 3??) Leads me to believe that it possibly wasn’t just because of a dumb exercise choice.[/quote]
What if they were doing up/downs? banging there legs into the ground and then having to push themselves back up. I could see an inexperienced coach and dehydration leading to this.
^^Possibly but players have been doing updowns for YEARS… all over the country and in every climate in the US. Its a possibility but Its just so weird.
Compartment Syndrome is a relatively new thing. Its definitely not very well known. The surgeon/physical therapist who diagnosed me was a world class guy and he said that a lot of people who get “shin splints” actually have some degree of compartment syndrome. Just a lot of people dont know about it and so they just assume “oh i have shin pain from running? Must be shin splints” which isnt true.
Its just a really strange thing… thats what I’m saying about the whole incident
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s not that strange if they were all doing the same retarded exercise for the same muscle group.
He probably had them doing dips on a bosu ball with 200lbs or something.[/quote]
Like the poster at the top of this page said, I was thinking more along the lines of some cross-fit exercise. Heavy weight would have just led to failure too soon. They had to be doing some sort of light weight or isometric exercises where they would be able to push it to this extreme. My guess would be it was just heavy enough to keep it from being an aerobic exercise.
Interestingly enough, this actually isn’t an inexperienced coach (when it comes to football anyways, who knows aobut lifting). He left Loyola (the big football school in LA) mid-season last year for ‘personal reasons’.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Possibly but players have been doing updowns for YEARS… all over the country and in every climate in the US. Its a possibility but Its just so weird.
Compartment Syndrome is a relatively new thing. Its definitely not very well known. The surgeon/physical therapist who diagnosed me was a world class guy and he said that a lot of people who get “shin splints” actually have some degree of compartment syndrome. Just a lot of people dont know about it and so they just assume “oh i have shin pain from running? Must be shin splints” which isnt true.
Its just a really strange thing… thats what I’m saying about the whole incident [/quote]
Yea my experience with compartment syndrome is from well known causes, blunt force trauma’s (car wrecks or hit in leg with sledge hammer) snake bites etc.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Possibly but players have been doing updowns for YEARS… all over the country and in every climate in the US. Its a possibility but Its just so weird.
Compartment Syndrome is a relatively new thing. Its definitely not very well known. The surgeon/physical therapist who diagnosed me was a world class guy and he said that a lot of people who get “shin splints” actually have some degree of compartment syndrome. Just a lot of people dont know about it and so they just assume “oh i have shin pain from running? Must be shin splints” which isnt true.
Its just a really strange thing… thats what I’m saying about the whole incident [/quote]
Yea my experience with compartment syndrome is from well known causes, blunt force trauma’s (car wrecks or hit in leg with sledge hammer) snake bites etc. [/quote]
Yeah thats usually the cause as far as I know… some sort of BFT or blast trauma/gunshot wounds (I was a combat medic)
The surgeons wanted to do the facial release surgery on me but the doc who I talked to about actually doing it said its less than a 50/50 chance of it actually fixing the issue (for me with “activity induced compartment syndrome”) So I opted to not do the surgery
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Possibly but players have been doing updowns for YEARS… all over the country and in every climate in the US. Its a possibility but Its just so weird.
Compartment Syndrome is a relatively new thing. Its definitely not very well known. The surgeon/physical therapist who diagnosed me was a world class guy and he said that a lot of people who get “shin splints” actually have some degree of compartment syndrome. Just a lot of people dont know about it and so they just assume “oh i have shin pain from running? Must be shin splints” which isnt true.
Its just a really strange thing… thats what I’m saying about the whole incident [/quote]
Yea my experience with compartment syndrome is from well known causes, blunt force trauma’s (car wrecks or hit in leg with sledge hammer) snake bites etc. [/quote]
Yeah thats usually the cause as far as I know… some sort of BFT or blast trauma/gunshot wounds (I was a combat medic)
The surgeons wanted to do the facial release surgery on me but the doc who I talked to about actually doing it said its less than a 50/50 chance of it actually fixing the issue (for me with “activity induced compartment syndrome”) So I opted to not do the surgery[/quote]
I dont blame you I wouldnt want to get cut on unless it was absolutely necessary. Would fuck up my lifting regiment. Back on thread, still fucking stupid the comments on that blog site. I really wanted to put in my 2 cents.
^^I know. you want to comment but its so futile to argue with idiots like that… Especially when you actually have legitimate knowledge about a subject and you’re arguing/talking with someone who has no idea but thinks they’re right. Thats the worst
This guy is hilarious.
[quote]oneStarman - Walla Walla, WA:
You got it man. Rhabdomyolysis, the rapid breakdown of muscle from an injected overdose of anabolic steroids produces EXACTLY these symptoms. It will also lead to renal (kidney) failure if untreated (maybe even with treatment depending on the initial damage) so somebody better come clean before it is murder.[/quote]
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
This guy is hilarious.
[quote]oneStarman - Walla Walla, WA:
You got it man. Rhabdomyolysis, the rapid breakdown of muscle from an injected overdose of anabolic steroids produces EXACTLY these symptoms. It will also lead to renal (kidney) failure if untreated (maybe even with treatment depending on the initial damage) so somebody better come clean before it is murder.[/quote][/quote]
Yep that is the one I really wanted to respond to.
Some coaches have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. My nephew played football in highschool. He had some shoulder problems, and every time a particular drill caused him pain, the coach told him over and over “work through it”.
Well he did. After the season ended, he went to a doctor. I saw the x-ray and the damned shoulder looked like someone had put a piece of frayed rope in there. Even after surgery he still wasn’t able to use his shoulder normally.
I wanted to confront the coach, but he had retired.
I’ve seen the term compartment syndrome used pretty freely. As in if someone has really sore calves. Apparently that doesn’t really fit the bill, but we know how journalists can blow up things without checking if it’s true. So maybe this actually just means that their triceps are really fucking sore and that they got dehydrated and nauseated.
Still think it’s teh creatinez though. If you don’t put it in your socks, shit will happen.
[quote]kakno wrote:
I’ve seen the term compartment syndrome used pretty freely. As in if someone has really sore calves. Apparently that doesn’t really fit the bill, but we know how journalists can blow up things without checking if it’s true. So maybe this actually just means that their triceps are really fucking sore and that they got dehydrated and nauseated.
Still think it’s teh creatinez though. If you don’t put it in your socks, shit will happen.[/quote]
Here for a Dr to diagnose that he would have diagnostics done as in Ultrasound to correctly get reimbursed for this.
^^for my diagnosis they actually did a pressure check in the muscle compartment. They took re pressure gauge (which basically looked like a meat thermometer for a turkey) and shoved the Capri Sun straw sized needle 1-2 inches into each calf/shin to read the resting pressure. They did two spots on each shin. Normal resting pressure is 6-8 I guess and my lowest pressure was 32. (I’m not exactly sure what the number represents but it wasn’t good) lol
It took me 5 minutes to find this. If these fucking reporters would do some actual research instead of reporting some bullshit they saw on a “Lifetime” movie as facts, then this coach would be fired before he kills somebody. Steroids? Creatine? Jesus Christ. How about 10+ sets to failure of upper body, elbow extension exercises in a 115 degree gym with no water readily available.
There probelm solved. Now I am going to stockpile all the creatine I can before something retarded happens.
The sad part about this is that the kids are catching all this flak for being cheaters when all they probably did was train too hard.
[quote]kakno wrote:
I’ve seen the term compartment syndrome used pretty freely. As in if someone has really sore calves. Apparently that doesn’t really fit the bill, but we know how journalists can blow up things without checking if it’s true. So maybe this actually just means that their triceps are really fucking sore and that they got dehydrated and nauseated.
Still think it’s teh creatinez though. If you don’t put it in your socks, shit will happen.[/quote]
Let me just say a couple things here. First, this thread is why I’m happy I’m on this site after all these years- because there’s guys on here with more knowledge than what’s being thrown out there in the comments.
However, let me defend my journalist brethren for a second and say that when you’re a reporter, you’re expected to report on all sorts of shit, running the gamut from stuff on nature and science to things like books and literature- regardless of whether you know about them at all or not.
You’re forced to be a “jack of all trades” and know just enough that you can write the bare essentials of the story out and not lose the ADD prone readers’ (your) attention.
So give them a break if they’re not exactly right on what all this shit does- the odds are is they only know what the cops on the scene and the doctors at the hospital told them, and they have neither the time nor the resources to check it out with every weightlifter in the gym or every creatine user.
/end rant
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
I’ve seen the term compartment syndrome used pretty freely. As in if someone has really sore calves. Apparently that doesn’t really fit the bill, but we know how journalists can blow up things without checking if it’s true. So maybe this actually just means that their triceps are really fucking sore and that they got dehydrated and nauseated.
Still think it’s teh creatinez though. If you don’t put it in your socks, shit will happen.[/quote]
Let me just say a couple things here. First, this thread is why I’m happy I’m on this site after all these years- because there’s guys on here with more knowledge than what’s being thrown out there in the comments.
However, let me defend my journalist brethren for a second and say that when you’re a reporter, you’re expected to report on all sorts of shit, running the gamut from stuff on nature and science to things like books and literature- regardless of whether you know about them at all or not.
You’re forced to be a “jack of all trades” and know just enough that you can write the bare essentials of the story out and not lose the ADD prone readers’ (your) attention.
So give them a break if they’re not exactly right on what all this shit does- the odds are is they only know what the cops on the scene and the doctors at the hospital told them, and they have neither the time nor the resources to check it out with every weightlifter in the gym or every creatine user.
/end rant
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Never thought of it that way. Very good post. Thank you.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Some coaches have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. My nephew played football in highschool. He had some shoulder problems, and every time a particular drill caused him pain, the coach told him over and over “work through it”.
Well he did. After the season ended, he went to a doctor. I saw the x-ray and the damned shoulder looked like someone had put a piece of frayed rope in there. Even after surgery he still wasn’t able to use his shoulder normally.
I wanted to confront the coach, but he had retired.[/quote]
Did YOU retire the coach? Should have kicked his ass.
Man that sounds bad for your nephew 
I can imagine he’s quite young too.
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Some coaches have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. My nephew played football in highschool. He had some shoulder problems, and every time a particular drill caused him pain, the coach told him over and over “work through it”.
Well he did. After the season ended, he went to a doctor. I saw the x-ray and the damned shoulder looked like someone had put a piece of frayed rope in there. Even after surgery he still wasn’t able to use his shoulder normally.
I wanted to confront the coach, but he had retired.[/quote]
Did YOU retire the coach? Should have kicked his ass.
Man that sounds bad for your nephew I can imagine he’s quite young too.[/quote]
To be fair, most of the time kids are just making excuses and being bitches, so coaches get used to telling them to ‘just suck it up, you sandy-vaginaed bitch’.
Of course, when someone actually does have a medical issue, it gets pretty fucked up.
Try telling your Gunnery Sergeant you’re allergic to cold, and that’s why you’re running so slow, because you can’t fucking breathe.
Sounds like bullshit, but I AM allergic to cold, and my fucking larynx was swelling, dammit.