That doesn’t matter irt marriage (legal union). It’s a legal unity. Reproduction has never been a requirement.
And even then you STILL have to show it’s the legal union causing the problem.
Because truth be told, if it ends up that gays cause huge societal problems, it’ll be because gay RELATIONSHIPS are allowed, not the legal union.
And the way these secular progressive societies can’t even replace themselves in house, but have to import people who tend to have larger families (generally more religious) I wouldn’t at all be confident that such trends won’t reverse.
Because it inherently follows with the coupling of men and women…Notice the previous commonality? Male, female. You simply want to incentivize an orderly practice of circumstances. Intact bio homes.
Love you guys (no homo…), but I am going to have to charge this phone for at least a short period. I’ll check back, later. Thanks!
You are ofc free to think so. As I’m much younger, I’ll be the one I told you so’ing from beyond the pale.
Which absolutely happens with gay households. Orderly homes are about more than having kids. Always has been
Polling on the subject would say you’re pretty far off here. You’re looking at around 70% approval for gen X/millenials. Opposition even in older groups has declined over the years. Throw in the massive decrease in religious attendance and I don’t see the trend changing.
Before I go…I’m thinking beyond millenials. As declining replacements fertility rates continue to make their impact known. Beyond when they’re an old and decrepit majority trying to impossibly live off a tiny (relatively speaking) young workforce/tax base to carry their entitlements. Growing increasingly ravenous for new foreign youth. And a domestic youth resentful of the financial debt they became chained to. And, resentful of the masses of silver hairs squeezing them like squeezing blood from a turnip. Oh, the social upheavals and convulsions.
And even then, it won’t be gay marriages fault. It’ll be gay relationships
So they will fight against gay marriage and try to force them to have kids? Not likely. Maybe the populace will be dumb enough to blame gay people. It’s not like religious people had a problem blaming minorities before. But that is a declining population (and who would blame people with the predators).
Automation will change a lot. And worldwide I’m not too concerned. Pretty sure I read somewhere that Africa alone is going to have 4 billion by 2100.
Think of all the people who would be having kids if God hadn’t made gays and made straight people infertile!
Nice going God.
Sorry, I saw this. I haven’t used my theism or Christian beliefs to make my arguments. Why would I with non-believers? I’ve only used the brute facts of nature and the undeniable and critical utility of heterosexuality to make my arguments. So, why does God and Jesus keep coming up? I hope it isn’t to caricature my arguments. As, again, I haven’t made use of sin as an argument. And, I don’t understand why Christians would feel any sting from the jabs of moral subjectivists. It just makes me scratch my head. God, as a creator and absolute and inescapable authority can make and dispose of who/whatever in any manner he sees fit. A moral subjectivist certainly can’t impose their opinion on that anymore than they can say what the right favorite color is.
Folks, I’ll say it right now. If an omniscient and omnipotent creator God wanted to extinguish the entire universe, like we might an ant colony, that’s his right and prerogative. There would be a larger gulf between us and him then us and an ant colony, after all. I ain’t in it for the popularity. Or to sell Buddy Jesus and ‘Attaboy’ God. Ya picking up what I’m putting down?
Now, back to the secular.
I would say we probably view homosexuality as a choice differently. If it is and God created humans then it follows that he (she?) is the one to “blame” for the unimportant. I would also argue a lot of the discrimination and disdain for homosexuality stems from the way various religions view them or have historically viewed them.
Like I said I’m guessing we view sexuality different. I don’t remember growing up deciding to be attracted to girls. And I’m guessing gays aren’t any different. My cousin was a gay kid in a rural Kansas school. You know the amount of ridicule he faced? Who the hell would choose that?
Still based on the hand he holds walking down the street he can have people comment, look away in disgust, think he’s going to hell, not deserve to be married, etc. Again who would choose that?
I won’t disagree. I don’t believe this will happen though.
Starting to work on supper and still charging, so forgive me if this seems choppy. I have seen this argument a number of times and it surprises. Why would it be so surprising that people may make choices that put them into some outcast/pariah status? I saw it with ear plugs, black nail polish, and goth type stuff. You knew it was bully bait. Yet, they wore it. And kept wearing it. Yet, I doubt there’s a gene orientation for pale makeup and dark mascara. I see a woman around town with full head tats (shaved hair, too) fairly often. She made choices having to know their social repercussions. Tip of the iceberg, just a few of my own experiences.
Lolol. I mean with what they were wearing, they were basically asking for it.
I get the jist of what you’re saying, but goddamn is it stupid to use an example where you’re blaming the bullied kid for being bullied.
I didn’t assign blame. I described situations.
I knew this was the way you viewed things. We just couldn’t disagree more. It’s not an “angst” thing, it’s not a dare to be different thing, it’s not a decision like wearing black.
You honestly think this many people are saying: “Hey you know what would be fun? If I did something that would automatically make a large portion of people despise me. I could increase the likelihood that I will commit suicide. I get to be ostracized, called sick and disgusting. All I have to do is ignore the fact that I’m a girl and like boys and just tough out this whole thing and force myself to be attracted to women.”
I just can’t believe you see things this way. Have you had deep conversations with a lot of gay people?
And had they received positive reinforcement from the
majority culture, how many wouldn’t jump onto a different wagon?
Sorry, but the sub culture stand against the tide type isn’t new to me? You all aren’t familiar with such folks?
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Yep.
Heh, through blood. And living as neighbors with them, and working with them, and befriending them, in and out of Atlanta
Lol damn you’re old. They were doing it BECAUSE it wasn’t the bandwagon. Not because they weren’t incentivized
I believe that’s my point, pfury. It’s a response to “who chooses…outcast status.”
And these people have convinced you that every single gay person made a conscious decision to be subject to ridicule, eternal damnation, increased suicide risk, potentially never talking to certain family members again? All sorts of other things we could come up with.
Damn you think a lot of people did all this to be cool? To be different? It’s life threatening and has been at times depending on the place and throughout history.
I mean think what you want but we could not view this point more differently.