As things are becoming more open in regards to MJ, haven’t a few strongman competitors recently said they use it for that purpose? I could be mistaken here. I heard it second hand that a few have come out to say they use it for eating more.
Personally, I wouldn’t admit to that publicly, though perhaps times have changed enough now that people legitimately don’t care… IN America that is (supposedly the majority of the populace, both democrat and republican now support federal legalisation for recreational use)
For eating more, I can def understand… it makes me ravenous, it’s screwed up a few attempts to cut for me as I’ve LITERALLY ended up smoking a joint with friends and wolfing down 4000+ calories in that night.
Demotivates me too much, similarly to booze, when I take cannabis I no longer care about staying in shape while under the influence. If I use cannabis, fat chance I’ll be exercising. Depending on the type of cannabis I use I either get the following effects
- complete retardation, very calm
- mind races, start thinking creatively about everything
Given the unregulated market here, I don’t always have variety choice, I sometimes just buy “weed” in a bag (plastic bag or brown paper bag) it’s sometimes compressed, sometimes comes with leaves, stems etc… you never really know what it’s going to do… but it’s pretty cheap, I can get an oz for under 250$… granted I’ve never brought that much as it’s a waste, I’ve brought that much when GIVEN the money by others to buy it
We have a problem with something called PGR here (look it up), these additives put in cannabis probably make it about akin to smoking tobacco in terms of harm induced… this doesn’t really matter though considering everyone smokes this stuff mixed with tobacco here… it’s disgusting to get passed a joint at a concert/party, take a drag but it’s like 70% tobacco… thankfully the majority of what I purchase is void of plant growth regulators… it’s like compressed/stuff grown in the wilderness with very little care taken to it. The reason people mix tobacco and cannabis (for those who don’t know) is because
- people in Europe who smoke hash need to use tobacco, as otherwise hashish doesn’t burn (learnt this the hard way in Amsterdam)…
- Cannabis smoked by itself appears to not stay lit, if someone adds like 10% tobacco to the mix it stays lit… but now that marijuana cigarette is terribly unhealthy
Haven’t actually purchased cannabis since… I think late December (wow I’m such a saint)… There was a time though when we’d buy 7g every 2 weeks or so (split between six to seven people)… stupidly this was towards the end of school (final exams… REALLY dumb). On Saturdays (or every other Saturday) we’d all get together to cool off from exam study, listen to music and play cards… typically in a park/large wooded area or the back end of our land (live on a farm), we had like a setup wherein we’d all bring chairs, sometimes we’d make a little fire, roast marshmallows etc (if it was on my property)
There’s a guy at my gym who’s been in the Iraq war on the Iraqi side. Every time he’s in the gym he’s either drunk or stoned and he lifts a lot of weight with bad technique lol
Hahaha this is epic.
Cause and effect Haha. I can just hear a muscle tear lurking in his near future.
SB
Google Lionel Messi growth hormone. You’ll get some information there.
Also you really need to read the transcript to this podcast or listen, maybe buy the book.
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It’s interesting… he stated he had GHD yet stopped treatment at 14… if you have a growth hormone deficiency, take GH for a few years then stop, you’re going to be symptomatic once again
Chances are he had idiopathic short stature, took the drug to increase final adult height
Can you private message me bc she’s going to ole miss.
It depends on the school/sorority. This is a state college, not a private school. It’s Ole Miss. Yes there’s drugs there, or it was in the’90’s but they were EVERYWHERE in the’90s.
A lot has changed. Her high school gives random pee tests and hair tests. Dogs regularly through the parking lot and hallways. And it’s a public school (actually a magnet school so it makes it more like private). And when a kid gets busted, it’s technically illegal to do the drug tests and dogs but the parents, Sheriff and judges DONT CARE and they get the kids out of there. In the south in small towns, state and federal laws don’t really apply. It’s what the community wants and they want the drugs kept in check. They don’t say much about pot unless a kid is dealing but pills or coke…it’s their ass and usually their parents too. I believe(don’t know) that they plant it on some of the parents just to get them out of the school district and they always do.
Does it eliminate the drugs? Hell no. But it keeps them in check. And the sheriff makes EVERY kid at the middle school look him in the eye and give a fist bump every single day at the drop off point, with body armor on in case of a shooter.
Point is I’m hoping a lot has changed but I’m not naive to it.
Lmao. I know. I was a SAE until we got booted for a kid drinking himself to death. We had a couple of pot heads but mostly everyone was into steroids, drinking and girls. All the blow I did was with another frat. And some of the sororities we had parties with were very anti-drug. She has a cousin at the college that’s a Phi Mu and she said hers is anti-drug. Actually give random drug tests. And it’s one of the top 3 there.
We had a party with SMU in ‘98 I think it was. And you’re right… I didn’t sleep for 2 days. But those guys could afford it. We had to buy X at $20/pill bc we couldn’t afford the good stuff. State university.
Trust me I’m not naive. Just hopeful. My point is she’s actively seeking getting away from drugs after seeing so many friends get busted. And the point of my post is that I feel like my parenting style lets my kids be open with me. She told me she tried Norco and got nauseated. Tried adderall and didn’t sleep for 24 hours. She’s a lot like me…likes to drink and party, push the limits but don’t get into a jam. I have a friend that owns a bar 16 miles away. He lets her in anytime and she gets a 21 y/o wristband (she’s 17, 18 in May) but every time she’s gotten hammered, she Ubers home and we go get her car in the morning or she calls me to come get her. It’s how I grew up bc the drinking age was 18 except I was driving home.
That’s my rule: NO DRIVING. And I wasn’t mad she experimented. We had a looong talk about it with old friends & family members as examples pointed out hooked on pain pills, benzos etc.
I told her she will probably try blow one day and it’ll be fun. But if she does it a lot, it gets to be no fun. I told her if she ever took meth or heroin, she better OD bc I was gonna kill her myself and I’d know bc she’d be hooked on it.
Again I was pointing out parenting styles, not discussing the activities in Greek life at college.
What’s the appeal with cocaine… it lasts like fifteen minutes, is extremely… extremely toxic
Seriously if I had a gun to my head and someone said “snort one of these” one being cocaine and one being a line of smack… id probably choose the smack, I’ve used enough oxycodone/pain meds (chronic pain, post surgeries etc)… never got addicted (even after using 2x daily for months, quit cold turkey without any withdrawal symptoms)
Despite just how addictive heroin is, if you’re on anabolic steroids the prospect of dropping dead after one line (or even without AAS) is very real, how do you know you won’t be one of those who just drops dead?
Coke + alcohol is even worse
Odds of sudden cardiac death for one hour post use are 24x normal, combine that with booze and it’s 20x that 24x baseline (forms cocaetylene in the liver, EXTREMELY toxic)
Given the mechanisms of which coke acts upon the heart, I just don’t see why anyone would choose it… why not use amphetamine instead? Both are bad, but amphetamine probably won’t cause you to drop dead randomly (not methamphetamine, that’s very different)… not judging, just wondering why so many choose cocaine when to me it seems ehhh… I’ve probably been offered it like 15 times, always say no
Drinking age is 18 here, in some states underage drinking is permitted if the residence is private, vic just phased out that law as Australia appears to love passing new laws and regulations as of the past 10-20 years, so now apparently drinking in you’re own home is a felony…
Also (not hair tests) but there are ways to get around urine tests… also… kids into steroids + drinking… that’s tremendously damaging to ones longevity, did any of the kids end up having heart attacks (legitimately curious) while in college
Should be noted oxy isn’t any less addictive than heroin… not sure about norco (hydrocodone)… one of my friends tried oxy a few times (orally, insufflated and smoked)… a few times, says he’s fine… doesn’t get addicted to things but knows I have painkillers left over from past ailment… CONSTANTLY tries to buy them off me, gets passive aggressive about it (in which I’ll tell him to back the fuck off, I’m not facilitating his downfall)…
Some are very prone to addiction… he probably used it like five times… that’s all it takes for some
I’d grill my child for using hydrocodone, especially at age seventeen… that’s just me though. Granted I applaud how open and honest you are with you’re child, at the very least she knows she can come to you if she’s in serious trouble
As to the sheriff having to wear body armour… really says something about society doesn’t it… in Aus/Europe this shit doesn’t happen, so people don’t need to look out for mass shooters. I recall in school they had to show us a video on what to do if someone comes in with a gun, was a demonstrational video showcasing a guy walking into a school and mowing a bunch of people with a shotgun, saying “do this, not that”… I remember thinking “what the fuck has this world come to”… we need stricter gun control in America (everyone is entitled to their own opinion, southerners will typically disagree with me… but I can link a lot of literature that backs my claim, and I know a lot of gun deaths stem from suicide… but proportionally if we look at the rate of gun violence in America vs other countries even when taking out homicide, adjusting based on population, America still has like 10x more gun related deaths… there were more public shooters than days in the year last year… adjust that to account the Aussie populace, divide 365 (and thafs less then there were) by 20 (even this is under doing it… it’s more like divide by 18) so in Aus it’d be like 18.5 mass shootings… we had ONE last year, love machine shooting… guy drove up and shot into the crowd… we have a ton of stabbings instead… which is arguably better because you can’t mow down an entire crowd with a knife, you’ll get one guy before you’re tackled and held down
Back to my original point, I think it’s best to be realistic with you’re child, but to acknowledge “you’ll probably try coke”… I don’t like that, coke is FAR more harmful than most realise… yes, it’s highly related to genetics exactly how much damage it’ll do, Steven Tyler has supposedly used “a swimming pools” worth, but doesn’t have dilated cardiomyopathy, others will drop after the first line… no recreational drug… other than coke carries quite the cardiac risk that coke does (aside from crack cocaine and heavy dosages of methampetamine)… maybe heavy dosages of tren + winny (like 1g tren + 50-100mg winny daily), even then the risk isn’t entirely acute
I don’t want to sound like a dick, but given the risk for SCD relating to cocaine… think about it, this is one of the only substances wherein a once off could seriously cause you to lose you’re child… Educate yourself and you’re child regarding the sheer risks stemming from acute use of cocaine, not worth it… perhaps I’m too conservative regarding this particular substance, I just REALLY don’t think it’s worth it… it’s also highly addictive, and a coke problem will dry out you’re bank account quickly… That’s one of the only good things about coke, those who get addicted tend to deteriorate rather quickly if they don’t have a steady stream of cash coming in. Decocainized cocoa leaf is far safer though
Dude, you need to cut this shit out with your kids. They’re not your fuckin friends, they’re your kids. I did plenty of drugs but my parents voices were always in the back of my head telling me it was wrong. Some people only need one time to get hooked, and your daughter, when she is deciding whether or not to do it, will have your voice in her head saying “it’ll be fun”. You say you’re not naive but you are. You let your 17 year old daughter Uber home after getting wasted and enable her by getting her car the next day, and you were considering jabbing drugs into your barely pubescent son. Honestly, what the fuck are you thinking? Get your head out of your ass.
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Can relate… whenever I do anything… booze, illicit substances, there’s always that voice in the back of my head “my parents would be SO disappointed in me”… it actually still serves as somewhat of a deterrent, whilst I don’t agree with my parents regarding many topics, I still respect them and crave my fathers approval (something which I’ll never get lol)
Though I don’t know if this is particularly terrible given the drinking age in the vast majority of developed countries is 16-18… America is one of the few with a 21+ drinking age… and after the age of 19 or so it doesn’t appear to stop anyone, esp in college. If she pays for her own uber there’s nothing wrong with that… better than driving home, I’ve payed for an uber home at a party when drunk before aged 18, have returned via public transport the next day to pick up my car. Whilst I do think alcohol is one of the most harmful substances one can possibly put into their body, given the societal acceptance of the drug… there’s nothing one can really do about this
If we are talking about the PARENT paying for the uber, that’s enabling, but I think he was referring to her getting an uber home (which would imply she payed for it)… it’s 10x safer than walking/driving home, what’s wrong with ubering home?
That being said… using Norco is very risky… many get hooked on opiates almost instantaneously, whilst others seem to get off scot free (though opiates have a considerably higher addiction rate than most substances)… I wonder why some people are more prone than others, trauma appears to play a very large role… but there appears to be a certain subset of people that are just hardwired/extremely prone for addiction
huh? where did you hear this? that couldn’t be farther from the truth. I would go on 24 hour+ binges when I was a user. Yes it’s a terrible drug, and no I would not recommend even trying it to anyone. The reason it’s so addictive though is that it feels so fucking amazing. I didn’t particularly care about the health effects when I used it, because I didn’t particularly care if I died at that point in my life. I was pretty lost when I was around 20. At one point I was using pretty much every day.
It feels different. That’s basically it. Everyone who uses has their own drug of choice, the particular high they want to feel. For me, coke was definitely it. I tried almost everything out there.
I’m thinking about a singular dose, not a binge where you keep reducing, the notion of redosing all the time seems as if it’d be a pain in the ass… also given the effects coke has on neurology I’d hypothesise the crash would be like the worst hangover time 1000
the crash is awful, no question. absolutely the worst.
I’d say after my first dose it was 1-2 hours before I’d feel like I needed more, usually. It’s been 15 years since I last did it, so my memory about that stuff isn’t perfect, but I think that’s about right. I would do it before I went out, and not need anymore for awhile.
It’s not about the drinking age. It’s about having some semblance of humility with regards to what you can do in front of your parents. She’s also 17 and in high school. Her parents pay for it. And doing it once or a couple times is one thing, but saying “she likes to party and push the limits” and it’s his FRIENDS bar who even lets her in to drink in the first place, so this is literally the definition of enabling.
And with regards to cocaine, this is another instance where you’ve read a bunch but have 0 actual real world experience regarding cocaine. You’re wrong on just about every single front. For one, the high lasting 15 minutes only guarantees you’ll do more until the money or the drugs run out. For another, you saying you’d bang a rail of heroin before you banged a rail of coke is retarded. Nobody I know has OD’d on coke. At my 10 year high school reunion 10 people were not there because they had all od’d on heroin.
I don’t mean to badger you, but this is one of those instances where typing 100 paragraphs about how things are sort of okay without understanding the dynamic of it, especially as a parent, is a bit frustrating to read.
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I apologise, I’ve read too many case reports… though if I’m being honest, I’ve seen many, many people use cocaine and I’ve never seen anyone OD/drop dead, I’ve only read concerning case reports/looked at mechanisms behind how the drug works… I’ve used amphetamine sulphate once, I figured it’d be like that… in pill form because I had a prescription for it. so I took it once before going out instead of before studying for a test… This was probably 12 months ago, granted I’d imagine cocaine abuse is far more extensive then taking a 5-10mg tablet once orally
To be fair I do this say every 6-10 weeks or so, but my parents certainly don’t know (I’ll go to a party and become very intoxicated), though the majority of parties/events I’m sober/relatively sober
I said I’d bang the line of herion because I’ve probably used more oxycodone than 90% of the populace (granted not recreationally… had a prescription ) and never had an issue with dependence… I said I’d rather rail the line of H because it wouldn’t have the potential to induce cardiac arrest, why would I rather use coke? aside from the addictive potential, acutely (in terms of physical harm induced) a line fo heroin is absolutely not as harmful, it’s like banging a line of oxycodone (though heroin is probably somewhat more addictive, as it’s been phased out in medicine within most countries, oxycodone is still routinely prescribed)
I’m sorry you had to experience this… I was suicidal/cripplingly depressed during the brunt of the era in which I was being viciously picked on because I’m… different (getting beaten up, having crowds gang up against you, “friends” turn their back on you due to mob mentality etc.)
was also very depressed when I was in so much pain all the time I could barely get out of bed, was heavily medicated, always spaced out… life REALLY sucked then, but I can’t imagine what you must’ve gone through… sorry
Banging a line of heroin can literally kill you within minutes depending on the potency, and these days, with fentanyl around, it’s quite likely. There is no rail of cocaine that would just kill you under a foot long.
And the biggest thing that you’re missing here is that you’re a teenager saying “I don’t see this as being all that bad” with regards to a parent letting their kid party, and you haven’t been on the other side of it - the parenting side. If you don’t see a really bad pattern of enabling from a father who wants to give his kid HGH, talks about nudes and porn with him, lets his 17 year old go to his friends bar and get wasted, tells her that blow will be fun, then there’s nothing more to discuss, and I’ll just tell you that any parent who doesn’t have their head jammed completely up their ass would be flabbergasted by how stupid all of this is.
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Agreed… I should specify I was referring to a hypothetical scenario when you were say… certain it was 20mg diamorphine, nothing else… I’d probably throw up and pass out… but the respiratory depression wouldn’t prove fatal… I was under the opinion a small amount of cocaine could induce sudden cardiac arrest
But there are many case reports of sudden death occurring after supposedly one small line, it appears the compound is incredibly prooarrythmiac in low dosages, combined with alcohol makes it 20x worse
That being said, I apologise, not being a parent this is out of my territory… I won’t intervene with any comments made about parenting anymore. I do agree this man is irresponsible, but I don’t think he purposefully bears ill intent
I didn’t think about the parental aspect, my parents would be furious if they were aware of some of the parties I’ve been too… I’d probably get kicked out of the house