I’m going to start HGH and would like opinions on the following please;
Has anyone pinned test and GH in the same injection? I’ve done BPC157 with test and HCG with test before but a bit worried in case the oil could damage the GH in some way? (I’d read on excelmale about combining T and HCG).
Not too worried about jabbing myself but rather trying to limit the amount of single use plastic I’ll be using.
I read on another forum not to mix HGH with anything else, even if overly cautious - HGH is expensive AF, I wouldn’t want to risk disabling it.
Dont mix water based with oil based.
Can I ask why? I feel like there’s an argument that water and oil don’t mix so you shouldn’t have an issue with either compound interfering with the other, but I’m curious to know more.
I dont know the science, i just know it as a basic law like dont sit on a freshly painted chair or dont use the syringe if it fell on the ground needle first 
Just out of curiosity, is your concern of limiting the number of single use plastic syringes an economical or environmental concern?
@hankthetank89
I thought this but saw a lot of info on Excelmale where Nelson talks about it. I mixed test and HCG and think there was no major issue (I.e. my nad’s got bigger, I’d post a picture but don’t have a big enough shoe).
@Andrewgen_Receptors yep, this is what I’m leaning towards.
@RT_Nomad
For environmental reasons, although on the train of destruction I leave its not much but I do try to limit things (possibly so I don’t feel soo guilty over others…)
Is there any reason (aside from cavitation) that we shouldn’t mix oil and water based compounds in syringes? I’ve been mixing L-Carnitine (water based) with my Test C (GSO) for like 2 months now and didn’t notice a difference.
@readalot
Oh sir you give me way too much credit!
This is way nearer my level.
Thank you for your help.
@readalot
I “read” the above paper (well, I skimmed abstract, discussion and results, same as most forum “scientists” 
…)
Regarding causing cavitation when pulling back the plunger, I’m guessing if the vial doesn’t have a similar pressure inside to out then this will cause damage even if done slowly? I.e. not injecting some air into the vial before drawing back? I also surmise that putting too much air into the vial before drawing back could cause too much pressure therefore leading to damage to the protein?
TL/DR
Is causing a vacuum or alternatively too high a pressure going to cause damage to the product? I’ll go out on a limb and say yes if either of these are too extreme or prolonged?
Sorry not sure if my above post was worded correctly.
This is caused by mechanical damage as the hGH is sucked up causing cavitation.
Does a higher or lower pressure cause damage when not being drawn up/dropped and does a higher/lower pressure exacerbate it when drawing up?
Sorry for the highbrow tech questions but if I search for these things I am either unlikely to find a result (bad search) or be unlikely to be able to understand the result (bad brain!)
Thanks soo much for your time,
Yes, I’d planned (as I did with hCG) to draw up the test then the hGH. The “method” would be.
I would be mixing test/hCG twice a week with one extra hGH injection in between (Probably Monday and Friday mix, just hGH on a Wednesday.)
On the mix days I wouldn’t push air into the hGH vial to lessen chance of contamination, but
on the Wednesday I would inject a larger amount of air (if drawing 4iu worth, inject 10iu worth?) so on the other days the pressure would start to equalize.
The amounts are fluid as I’ve seen it where a vial is obviously too pressurized and the contents want to rush out (in this case hCH) and of course the opposite when drawing becomes a pain because of the vacuum.
And I honestly tried to read, even if not actually not understanding the linked paper, but it beat me back and I went back to cowering in my corner of ignorance.
But please keep them coming as every soo often something gets through 
Please note this post is wrong, see correction from @anon18050987 below.
Small addition to the post after seeing a thread on Excelmale about mixing hGH with hCG.
As there is a difference in the pH of these compounds its noted the higher pH of the hCG (at 6.5) will cause the hGH to precipitate out of solution when mixed and it goes above pH 5.75. (hGH stated at pH 5.00).
Although test E has a higher pH (range found on quick searches varies from pH 6 to 7.2) any of those ranges would cause issues if both in a water solution, however I would expect for the purpose of quickly drawing up then using straight away if one solution is water and the other oil then this hopefully wouldn’t be an issue?
Tagged in @anon18050987 @lordgains @unreal24278 @highpull for anything they may have heard on this?
I have not heard anything.
Quick update;
I originally started drawing up the test and hGH in one syringe to limit the amount of plastic I was using, pinning test/hGH twice a week, hGH on its own once.
This was ok although the tops of the gh vials are really thick rubber and after going through the test bottle too it was uncomfortable to inject but I persevered until a few days ago when I started getting pains in my wrist and hand which seems like carpal tunnel syndrome (I’m kind of hoping it is and caused by the peptide so I know the cause and hopefully the solution).
To hopefully stop this I am changing from 4iu three times a week to 1iu 5 times a week for around a week to see if any change.
I will then increase the dose. Some people say the pain stops after a while when they just continued but it’s causing a few issues with work and especially training so I’d rather adjust as needed.
I also noticed an apparent allergic reaction after a few days which seems to be kept in check with an over the counter antihistamine.
I also seem to be losing body fat over the last week but I’m not too sure this isn’t just me seeing my normal rate as increasing due to really wanting it too!
If it is just placebo I’ll still take it as a win as it’s making me feel better about the hand issue.
I noticed pretty dramatic fat loss very quickly when I started taking pharma GH (doctor prescribed). Personally I never got the carpal tunnel symptoms but when my doc bumped my prescription from 2 to 3iu/day I started feeling very lethargic and exhausted all the time.
At 2iu/day I’m at the top of the range for a 25yo and (seemingly) suffering no negative side effects.
I was the same, I recently tried 4iu daily and got horrible headaches, water retention, soooo tired. I stopped for a week and started back up with 2iu, that’s as high as I will go now
It’s fascinating how individual all this stuff is. I ended up with severe hypertension on 160mg/week of Test Cyp even though I’ve always had perfect BP my whole life, great cholesterol and health markers in general, low BF%, etc…
Others can blast upwards of 500mg/week without any AI and are totally fine (at least for the duration of their cycle).
I think it’s one of the hardest and most frustrating aspects of trying to find your own sweet spot with hormone use/optimization. You can’t really learn that much from others’ experiences because everyone’s endocrine system is so unique.
My neurosteroid production crashes horribly even on reasonable TRT dosages, but others apparently have zero problem with that and their DHEA-S is still at the top of the range after years on 200mg/week.
I’m still glad we have these forums of course, because it’s still infinitely better than being truly on your own trying to figure everything out
Thanks man, I really appreciate your contributions. Both this place and EM would be a lot poorer if it weren’t for you, I mean it.
I hope we can get the idea going of creating a subforum or topic specifically for discussing research papers in detail and as rigorously as we can. I would love to get your thoughts and insights into some of the research out there
Its now been nearly 4 weeks since i started hGH, originally 4iu three times a week but I then switched to1iu five times a week due to what appeared to be side effects.
First an itchy, crawly feeling on my skin, this I’m sure was the peptide and was knocked back pretty well with an antihistamine. I then had pain in a wrist and hand which is when I dropped the dose in case it was carpal tunnel.
The itchy feeling was almost non existent on 1iu (still taking the antihistamine). After 1 week of the lower dose my wrist and hand are much better, obviously it could have just been a sprain and although I really believe and parrot it constantly at work that correlation does not equal causation, but felt I’d rather eer on the side of caution (he said while injecting illegal, unregulated drugs…)
I have now started 2iu and will continue with this for a week, then go to 3iu, three times a week.
I’ve noticed no water retention but have had an apparent weight loss.