My RHR is still highish but has come down to a reasonable 80bpm since lowering the HGH dose. I’m not entirely sure I wasn’t just sick or something as everybody in my house is ill. I didn’t feel sick other than being fatigued but wasn;t sure if the BP/HR was the cause or the symptom.
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First, I would not worry about my BP acutely as long as it is <160mmHg systolic (long term is different). Many people walk around with higher blood pressure than this and suffer the consequences only after decades. HBP is called the silent killer for a reason. If one is worried, beta blockers are a good option, caveat: always start low if you don’t know your dose. Too much is not very dangerous but not very pleasant.
Second, I think you did the right thing. You don’t change a lot besides your HGH dose. Lowering this back down first is the first thing I’d have done. If it gets better now, you’re right, could be a lot of things. So you do a reexposition n=1 experiment in a week or so and start increasing the dose again, this time slowly, every two days one half IU more is what I would do. If BP increases with it or in a lagging behind manner, then it is very likely the GH. Only change one variable at a time, preferentially.
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@lordgains Well… dropping HGH dose didn’t help. I think I’m going to have to end this cycle. My RHR has jumped 50% from pre cycle and my BP isn’t good. Ironically both jumps in RHR coincide with my first Moderna vax in early-mid April and my second vax in late May. I’ve never had these issues but my typical cycle is 300test/300 mast. This time I was running 400test/600 primo with 4iu HGH. I only ran the primo that high because I heard its mild and thats a minimum effective dose. I’m going to give it a couple weeks off everything but TRT level test before seeing a doctor. I’m concerned.
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how did it work out for you?
@throwawayfitness if you are asking me about my experiments with HGH it was a failure. Two different sources sold me bad GH. The first one gave me bad lumps under the skin at the injection site that took almost a week to dissipate Iron_Yuppie suggested it was dirty and I should stop using it. My second source had no site injection issues and I ran it for 3 weeks and had my IGF-1 tested and it was low. When I take the peptide 1295 w DAC I can get my IGF-1 up to the 140’s
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bummer. thank for the reply.
you going to give it another go down the road?
No I am not seeing any up side to it. A couple guys here have also posted issues with known good GH (they have blood tests to prove it).
I’m going back to T only blasts. AAS’s just blow the shit out of my lipids.
I am thinking now a higher T blast would give me better gains with less damage to my internal organs.
It was a fun years and a half experimenting with anavar then GH then winny. But I’m over the excitement. Being a retired engineer I love data and I blood test a lot. My more recent blood tests scared me.
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Me to Brother. Everything else just seems like big downsides. Maybe part of this is I can handle at least pretty high Test (650 mg/wk wasn’t an issue with no AI).
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one more question, please. A while back in a blood donation thread I could swear you said you wouldn’t again. Was this true and why? Thank you.
@throwawayfitness I had to quit donating blood.
Twice I have crashed my ferritin.
So when my HCT goes above 52% I have to cut my T dose to between 60-80/w for about 6 months as well as take an iron supplement with VitC and not donate blood.
Does this answer your question?
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Yes thank you
Overall, this is an amazing guide for beginners. The only issue that I found with it was your suggestion on how people source it. It’s easy to forage lab tests of a product, if someone’s looking for a reliable source, the source should have a community centered around it (e.g, a subreddit dedicated to it or have reputable sponsors)
How many IU’s did you start with when you initially started taking HGH and did you utilize a dosage escalation protocol?
Thanks,
Highly recommend you ramp up your dosage for anything over replacement levels of 1-2iu. Starting at even 4+ iu can cause water retention/swelling, joint pain, RHR increase to be worse
Initially I did not which resulted in a ton of water weight which i rode out. looking back i should have ramped up my dose. FWIW, i’m still using HGH and running about 2.5 iu daily at 60 years old
What should a starting dose look like? Example 2 iu’s for month 1 or 2/3 and 4/5 iu’s for 6 months or more. Or start at 4 iu’s? The objective is to maximize the therapeutic effects/get past a plateau potentially while minimizing the negative side effects, but my health is more important than getting past a peak. So that being said I am looking for a happy medium. I am in my early 40’s and I have been lifting religiously for over 20 years and have been using gear safely for about 12 years now.
That’s good to hear! So you ran 2+ iu’s indefinitely and eventually the water retention subsided? A quote from your how to guide "HGH is a slow game meaning that you will need to run AT LEAST 90 days to see significant changes. Within that 90 days you may see a lot of water gain which you will mistake for mass,not so brothers. After the water goes away, then the fat loss begins. Personally, I did not see fat loss until the second month.” So you where running 2 iu’s at the time of the post? I have read a lot of your posts and having someone share their honest experience is much appreciated.
No, my first time, I was running 5 iu daily. I’ve always been a “more is better” kind of guy. Getting better about that but not when I started the GH.
If I were you, I would run about 2 to 3 iu daily or taking weekends off. 5 iu is pretty expensive to run year round and I feel I get good recovery with my current dose.