It looks like this type of HGH has a history of PIP. Stumbled on this today. It pretty much describes my injection site issue. This fall I think I will try for a script from my TRT doc.
Well I’m starting to have some issues I was hoping to get advice on. Recently my RHR is shooting up to 90-105 according to my Apple Watch. My BP is like 150/80, so not good either. I have been on 4iu/night for two months but I’m def holding water. My wedding ring is up one full size. So last night I cut the HGH down to 2/iu and I am going to run that for a few days to see if things change.
Question: I’m on 400mg test cyp / 600mg primo E. I’ve ran high test before with BP in the 140/80 range but usually thats it. My RHR is usually in the 60s even on that. Also, my cuff is a regular size and due to my arm size tend to read high anyway on BP so it may not be accurate. I’ve never ran primo before but not sure if that could be the cause of the high RHR and BP versus the HGH.
@iron_yuppie @lordgains @mnben87 @unreal24278 Appreciate your guys thoughts on this. Is it just the HGH and water retention? The high heart rate has me the most concerned in the interim.
Might be afflicted with a bit of AAS mediated autonomic dysfunction here. The dosages are high, have you ever run a gram before?
Other possibilities, immune mediated response from tainted/non sterile gear, cardiac aberrations, blood sugar abnormalities and more.
When I took primo I found it was the friendliest compound by far regarding cardiac autonomic dysfunction but my dose of primo was briefly 1/2 then 1/3rd of yours.
My approach was going to be to lower doses and see of improvment. I don’t feel like my BP is super high or my heart rate but it reads that way. Any need for immediate action as its not TOO severe or can I titrate down and wait in your all opinions?
My monitor also sucks. It will read the first reading super high for me at least (like (145/90), then the next two readings will be like 122/75. I don’t know which ones to trust, but it seems to do the same with my wife (read high on measurement 1, then much lower on the next readings). I still don’t trust the monitor.
We should both probably buy better monitors. That will probably give you a better measurement of RHR as well. I don’t really trust watch data for stuff like RHR and BP.
Since the HGH is the new variable, and you haven’t had issues with RHR in the past with similar doses of AAS, I think this (the HGH) is probably the cause, and it is a wise move to lower and evaluate.
I ran a similar cycle as your running earlier this year. When I started the GH I was running it at a higher dosage but only 3 days per week. I noticed I would hold water and BP would go up as well.
Once I lowered the dose down and got consistent with it everything settled back to around normal.
I also found splitting the dose morning and just after workout not only resolved these issues completely even if I upped the total daily dose a bit but I seemed to get way better recovery than nightly administration. This technique was recommended to me as then you are not disrupting your natural release at night. Might be worth trying for a few weeks.
Edit: I also found my BP monitor was not giving me good readings. Might be worth looking into as well.
Edit2: Just another thought on the higher RHR. Have you changed your cardio at all? I did alot of running and bike riding over the years and always had a super low RHR. Since late last year my cardio has dropped to just walking and I feel this coincided with an increase in RHR. Mine used to be around 62-65 and now is mid 80’s.
I never do real cardio. Hate it. So no change there. The BP thing doesn’t concern me as much because its only moderately high and I know it reads me higher than it should due to cuff size. The RHR does concern me as its been sitting around 100 for 48 hours and that’s borderline tachycardia. It can’t be good for your heart.
I’ve had that a couple times both before i started using gear and since. For me I think the cause is narrowed down to heat intolerance and stress. Usually 2-3 days or so and it subsides. The most It has ever gone is 5 days in the high 90’s to just over 100. This was a period of high stress last year while my father was passing. This was a very stressful time for my family. Seems like the last couple years(starting when I was 41 or so) I have become more and more heat intolerant. Not really sure why.
Did you start at 4iu or slowly work your way up?
IIRC, Blshaw is Florida man. I was there a week ago and it was hot as ballz. Might be on to something with that.
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F that!! My brother and sister in law live there. They had their wedding on july 4th in Vero on the beach. Was redic!!! We go in December usually and coming from NY it still feels hot AF!
That is where I was. My MIL lives there. Nice spot, but too damn hot for me.
@blshaw Have you consider your blood thickness? HCT when mine gets over 52% my HR goes up. Have you donated blood recently? Did you test your HCT before this blast? Just a thought.
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Thanks for the tip. I tested before and it’s never been high. If lowering my HGH dose doesn’t suffice I will pull labs and check HCT. thanks!
That is tachycardia
Heathy RHR is around 50-90bpm (usual figure is 60-100 though I can link data that puts this figure into question)
How sterile is the gear? Immune mediated responses from dirty or heavily concentrated (mg/ml) gear can shoot up your HR. Is your primo 200mg/ml?
Otherwise AAS mediated autonomic dysfunction ought to be taken into account. The sympathomimetic effects of AAS can include a rapid HR/cardiac autonomic dysfunction. The mechanism of said effect has been elucidated to be a direct result of beta adrenergic receptor upregulation (in cardiac myocytes).
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It’s not, though those with IST don’t appear to have significantly elevated CVD related mortality rates comparative to the general population/healthy controls.
Consistently beating at say 120bpm all the time and tachycardia induced cardiomyopathy can develop, particularly if you couple the high HR with hypertension and steroid use.
@blshaw do you have access to a beta blocker?
They work wonders on a racing heart rate. They zap your adrenaline. Which is why your heart is racing in the first place.
I get mine from India over the internet that is probably as far as I can go with this forum.
Search for Atentic 100 (Atanolot 100mg)
If you suffer from hypertension (top number on your BP measurement) then an alpha-blocker is better. Again India. search for 2mg Doxazosin. A big plus for Doxazosin is its off-label treatment of BPH something that happens to a lot of old age T abusers.
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Atenolol is the bee’s knees provided you have a therapeutic indication for it. What dose do you take?
For BP I’d prefer an ARB, though I’m no expert. ARB’s mitigate and can even partially reverse hypertension mediated cardiac remodelling.
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My beta blockers are 100mg I have a pill cutter if needed. The alpha-blocker is 2mg.
I remember when some douche dragged unreal over the coals for this suggestion.
Beta blockers are great I think. Short term I prefer them over ARB or ACE-Is.
Hey sorry @blshaw to being late to the party. I have a load of paper work to finish this week that’s why I’m not on here consistently.