Heterosexual Discrimination

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

You’re talking about homosexuals doing things that heterosexuals could do in public without any problems. That is bigotry.

Unless you’re also suggesting that men and women not kiss in public, your ideas are bigoted.

Then you’re suggesting that everyone is a bigot who does not want to see a guy making out with his dog on the street corner.

Again…your logic sucks. Get your money back from LU (liberal university)…QUICKLY.

Two consenting adults have the right to do with each other as they please.

You should pay better attention as that is my feeling as well and I’ve stated it.

If two straight consenting adults can kiss on a street corner, why not two gay consenting adults?

Been over this one junior…1. Kids. 2. It makes people want to puke.

  1. It doesnt matter if you are afraid that your kids will be gay. That does not change the rights of gays.

Oh I think I know what you mean now. Who cares about kids rights? As long as fags get to touch each other in public right?

Now why didn’t you say that before?
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hahaha. Kids rights? What right are you trying to assert here?

That kids have the right not to see anything you find disgusting?

Please, jackass, at least TRY to use your brain.

Hey man, if someone wants to fuck a lightbulb, I’m not about to try to stop them. Whatever works and doesnt hurt anybody is fine by me.

I already answered that. As I am NOT a bigot, I understand that my personal opinion or my feelings on a matter do not override the rights of other human beings.

If a brother and sister are into each other, they can do as they please. If a man wants to fuck a lightbulb, he can do as he wishes.

Just because I dont like it doesnt change anyones rights.

The same way I would never try to say that you COULDNT speak out against homosexuals. Not once have I ever supported anything like that, nor said anything that could be twisted to mean that. You have the right to think what you want, and say what you want so long as it doesnt infringe on the rights of others.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

You have not given me one logical argument why those who want to do the above cannot use the same logic that you are using for homosexuals.

TWO.

CONSENTING.

ADULTS.

Do I need to continue repeating that?

Not so fast junior. You didn’t answer the question of Polygamy with that cute little line now did you?

What if Harry loves his sister Judy?

Two consenting adults still okay with you?

Dumb shit.

Yes, because my logic is constant. If thats what they want to do, it doesnt matter how I feel about it. They have the right to do as they please.

First of all your logic sucks and it has from the very first post that you’ve written on this topic.

Now answer the question:

You’d be for a man marrying his sister?

Or are you just for a man having sex with his sister?

And if you’re for a man having sex with his sister why would you deny them the happiness that they both deserve by denying marriage rights?

Answer carefully junior.

:slight_smile:
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I wouldnt be against a man marrying his sister.

Marriage is a legal contract.

Two consenting adults have the right to enter into any contract they want so long as it does not infringe on the rights of any nonconsenting others.

If a brother and sister want to enter into a contract whereas they would get certain tax breaks or one would control the others assets or make decisions regarding their estate or medical problems… I see no reason why they shouldnt.

Again, my logic is constant. Yours is full of double standards and bigotry.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Because you would fight against a gay pride parade in your city, even if you didn’t have to see it.

Fear.

I would also fight against a Nazi parade.

Not out of fear but disgust.

Know why?

Because it’s not fear…it’s disgust.

And they are two different words.

Take it up with Webster… :wink:

Fear and disgust. Elements of both.

Bullshit again, they are two different words.

Forget college go back to 7th grade.

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So you wouldnt be afraid of your child becoming a Nazi? That prospect doesnt scare you?

I think you should fear Nazis. I dont think you should fear homosexuals.

Nazis like to attack people and kill them. Homosexuals like having sex with other men.

One is kinda scary. The other, kinda not.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Well if your going by that standard I could care less if there were no more onions on face of the earth.

I am not afraid of homosexuality, I hate the lack of morality. And the fact that you expect me to accept it as being OK. I do not fear it. I fear the fact that because some homosexuals are loud obnoxious and so annoying people pass laws to shut them up not realizing they are giving them more and more power.

I hate to break it to you, sir, but there is nothing immoral about homosexuals.

What is immoral about homosexuality?

I think it’s immoral for one man to stick his dick up another mans asshole.

You don’t.

And there is the difference.

Now tell me what else you don’t think is immoral.

Because there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults being intimate with each other.

There is nothing wrong with allowing it in private. But there is plenty wrong with the act.

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Immoral?

Whats immoral, that its a nonprocreative sexual act?

Like you getting a blowjob from a woman?

Seriously, I dont understand. Why is it immoral?

Because you find it disgusting?

I find foot fetishes to be weird and pissing/shitting to be disgusting. But I dont think those things are immoral.

Some people find bondage to be disgusting. Would you argue that bondage or roleplaying is immoral?

Or heterosexual anal sex?

I just dont see the logic here.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Hey man, if someone wants to fuck a lightbulb, I’m not about to try to stop them. Whatever works and doesnt hurt anybody is fine by me.

Yes, we all know you are a moral titan…

Isn’t that the sort of argument that you and some liberal dweeeb will be having on t nation 25 years from now?

Where does it stop junior?

One man one light bulb?

One man and his sister?

Don’t have an answer do you?

I already answered that. As I am NOT a bigot, I understand that my personal opinion or my feelings on a matter do not override the rights of other human beings.

If a brother and sister are into each other, they can do as they please.

But what about the genetic consequences? You see junior there are consequences to all actions and when a brother and sister screw a baby might be born.

SURPRISE

Ha ha… stupid…

Just because I dont like it doesnt change anyones rights.

They don’t have those rights for the reasons above junior. You see your little arguments fall apart when held to the light of day. Oh hell they fall apart in dim light too for that matter…

Grow up…really!

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Ok, I can understand why you’d be against incest, then. It could cause another person to be disabled. Thats logical.

Who would gay sex hurt again?

Oh wait, thats right, nobody.

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And, in typical neocon fashion, Mick thinks that giving a valid argument against incest means he gave a valid argument against homosexuality.

Once again, he is wrong.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
And, again, what is immoral about being gay?[/quote]

It is immoral and illegal. More specifically, sodomy is illegal in Texas.

Dammit, why did I post here?

Wasn’t there a 100 page thread on this subject already? In that thread we actually came to a conclusion. Stop flaunting your gay lifestyle and I’ll continue to ignore it.

And…

Since I don’t ask you to recognize my heterosexuality, I don’t give two shits about your homosexuality. (Yuck, that was a bad pun, washes hands)

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Are you suggesting that there is another reason, other than gay men having more partners, that gay men are at a higher risk for disease? If so, what is that reason?[/quote]

Acts which homosexual men practice disproportionately (even when controlled for number partners or incidents) are inherently more risky. Lesbians largely refrain from these acts but their acts put them at risk for other diseases.

As I said before, this isn’t a “homosexuals are evil and may god cleanse them from the earth” type of rant against homosexuals. I would be irritated by a pro-smoking parade, and would scoff at pro-sunbathers rights. Why people toss around bigot labels at people who feel the same way about homosexuality is beyond me.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
What if one lands in my hair? And gets stuck, because my hair is curly??

Then people would look at the bean and not your fat ass…Hey just kidding…just kidding. [/quote]

My ass isn’t fat, so if anyone is looking at it, it’s for a different reason. Also, I’m not worried about lima beans getting stuck in my hair. I’m worried about big, flying insects. If you’re going to mock me, do so accurately, please.

[quote]Unacceptable. I’d have to start squealing, which would make me look like a total lame ass.

Not really I don’t mind women squealing… :slight_smile: :slight_smile: [/quote]

I honestly can’t decide what I think you’re saying here, Mick. I’m inclined to think you’re making a sex joke at my expense, but given that you’ve called me a fat-ass above I’m wondering if you may now be calling me a pig. Are you? Another possibility is that you’d think it funny if I were hurt. :frowning: :frowning:

[quote]But anyway. Yeah. Heterosexual discrimination. I’m against it!

Yea, me too, the fag should get about one year in jail for not controlling his lust.
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But het guys don’t go to jail for that. Girls don’t even bother reporting it, unless to a guy they’re involved with (“that guy just grabbed me”). It happens ALL THE TIME.

There was a study, done in the 90s, I think, that showed that 30% of college men would rape a woman if they could do so without fear of getting caught. Thirty percent! Those guys are all out there, along with their non-college-going brethren, having to satisfy themselves with grabbing and grinding into strangers.

I wish we could do something about that.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
There was a study, done in the 90s, I think, that showed that 30% of college men would rape a woman if they could do so without fear of getting caught. Thirty percent! Those guys are all out there, along with their non-college-going brethren, having to satisfy themselves with grabbing and grinding into strangers.

I wish we could do something about that.

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Wear one of those prosthetic penises as underwear. A man will go to pull off your pants/dress and get disgusted.

Either that or mace.

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[quote]Chewie wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
There was a study, done in the 90s, I think, that showed that 30% of college men would rape a woman if they could do so without fear of getting caught. Thirty percent! Those guys are all out there, along with their non-college-going brethren, having to satisfy themselves with grabbing and grinding into strangers.

I wish we could do something about that.

Wear one of those prosthetic penises as underwear. A man will go to pull off your pants/dress and get disgusted.

Either that or mace.
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Hahaha. I guess that’s one option! I’m not sure my husband would prefer to see me in prosthetic penises, though. He likes stuff that’s a little less…penis-y.

Also, I’m not really griping about the rape statistic. That’s just what the guys surveyed would like to do. I’m just saying that the would-be rapists are satisfying themselves with ass grabs and things like that, more alike to what happened to the OP’s friend. That there are a lot of grabbers out there. I suppose girls could start macing them. It would actually be pretty funny.

On the other hand, then you have to worry about infuriating them and it all escalating into violence.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
I’m worried about big, flying insects.

But, at some point you’ll have to ask yourself why this sort of thing worries you.[/quote]

I do? Beyond that they’re big and gross and buzzing around my head and if I do a poor job of extracting one I’ll wind up with a big wad of beetle guts in my hair?

Okay, well, I’ve got some stuff to do today, but my husband is out of town, so maybe I can take time this evening to really give some thought to my (apparently) irrational fear. It might have to do with that time in 9th grade that someone threw a paper airplane in the school cafeteria and it got stuck in my hair. Or not. I’ll give it some serious thought later, though.

[quote]I honestly can’t decide what I think you’re saying here, Mick. I’m inclined to think you’re making a sex joke at my expense, but given that you’ve called me a fat-ass above I’m wondering if you may now be calling me a pig. Are you? Another possibility is that you’d think it funny if I were hurt. :frowning: :frowning:

Sensitive people usually have a difficult time on message boards.[/quote]

You think I’m overly sensitive? Really? That’s odd. I thought I’d shown myself to be pretty thick skinned. After all, you’ve called me “silly” and “babe,” you’ve said that you think it’s “cute” when I get mad, which indicates that my reactions are somehow child-like, you’ve called me ugly (the ass thing), made a…whatever it was…at my expense, called me “sensitive” (and not in the good way, I don’t think), and implied that I’m prone to irrational worry, and I’m not crying or even particularly dismayed.

Not even mad, really. (I get a lot cuter than this sometimes!) I enjoy a great many benefits from being female. It’s well worth it to me to occasionally be called illogical or weak to never have to change a car tire or be expected to deal with a dead rodent.

If I’m prepared to take shameless advantage of chivalry (and I am), I can’t get too indignant over the stuff that comes in return.[quote]

I wish we could do something about that.

Call the police. [/quote]

Okay, that’s funny. It’s a joke, right? You think I’m too sensitive for asking you to clarify your joke or insult or whatever, but you think I should call the police when someone grabs at me? Imagine the reaction of the cop who takes the call when I announce with a straight face - a face filled with earnest indignation! - that I want to report that someone grabbed my ass.

You know, now that I think about it, it would be funny as hell to do that. His reaction! He’d have to pretend to take it seriously. I bet he’d just stand there blinking at me initially. Hahaha! And then he’d have to go ahead and write it all out (“And what happened, exactly, miss?” “He touched my rear end, officer, and it was an unwanted touch!”).

He and his buddies would be laughing about it for a month.

“Call the police.” Haha. Good one!

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Hey man, if someone wants to fuck a lightbulb, I’m not about to try to stop them. Whatever works and doesnt hurt anybody is fine by me.

Yes, we all know you are a moral titan…

Isn’t that the sort of argument that you and some liberal dweeeb will be having on t nation 25 years from now?

Where does it stop junior?

One man one light bulb?

One man and his sister?

Don’t have an answer do you?

I already answered that. As I am NOT a bigot, I understand that my personal opinion or my feelings on a matter do not override the rights of other human beings.

If a brother and sister are into each other, they can do as they please.

But what about the genetic consequences? You see junior there are consequences to all actions and when a brother and sister screw a baby might be born.

SURPRISE

Ha ha… stupid…

Just because I dont like it doesnt change anyones rights.

They don’t have those rights for the reasons above junior. You see your little arguments fall apart when held to the light of day. Oh hell they fall apart in dim light too for that matter…

Grow up…really!

Ok, I can understand why you’d be against incest, then. It could cause another person to be disabled. Thats logical.

Who would gay sex hurt again?

Oh wait, thats right, nobody.

Now hold on there Capped, you just went on about how incest would be perfectly alright. You stated that if two consenting adults want to “get it on” (your words) then it wouldn’t matter if they were brother and sister.

Now all of a sudden you changed your mind?

What happened after you read my post?

Did you do some growing up?

Get a real life sudden education?

Did you actually see the light and realize that with every action there are consequences?

Before we move on relative to the main topic I’d like you to explain that little brain fart of yours when you were endorsing incest.

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Well, see, again, as I am NOT a bigot, I apply the same bit of logic:

Two people can do whatever they want so long as it doesnt hurt anybody.

You made a point that incestual sex could potentially hurt someone (by causing them to be disabled). So, applying the same logic, and in light of that point, I reconsidered my stance.

What about that is so hard to understand? Are you going to play the neocon “I made a point about one thing therefore I am right about everything” card?

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[quote]Chewie wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
And, again, what is immoral about being gay?

It is immoral and illegal. More specifically, sodomy is illegal in Texas.

Dammit, why did I post here?

Wasn’t there a 100 page thread on this subject already? In that thread we actually came to a conclusion. Stop flaunting your gay lifestyle and I’ll continue to ignore it.

And…

Since I don’t ask you to recognize my heterosexuality, I don’t give two shits about your homosexuality. (Yuck, that was a bad pun, washes hands)
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See, whats bullshit, and bigoted, here, is the fact that YOU DO FLAUNT YOUR HETEROSEXUALITY.

Whenever you hold hands with a girl in public. Flaunting.

When you kiss her in public. Flaunting.

When you talk about which women you’d like to have sex with, or who you think is hot. Flaunting.

When you go to a club/party/whatever and dance with a girl. Flaunting.

Only, by your double standard, when you do it its ok, when a gay guy does it, its flaunting.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Are you suggesting that there is another reason, other than gay men having more partners, that gay men are at a higher risk for disease? If so, what is that reason?

Acts which homosexual men practice disproportionately (even when controlled for number partners or incidents) are inherently more risky. Lesbians largely refrain from these acts but their acts put them at risk for other diseases.

As I said before, this isn’t a “homosexuals are evil and may god cleanse them from the earth” type of rant against homosexuals. I would be irritated by a pro-smoking parade, and would scoff at pro-sunbathers rights. Why people toss around bigot labels at people who feel the same way about homosexuality is beyond me.[/quote]

Ok, so you’re anti-gay because you see their behavoir (anal sex) as self destructive and risky. Same as smoking or sunbathing.

The reason the term “bigot” comes up, for example, is that someone will claim to be anti-gay because gays have anal sex… but do/say nothing against heterosexual anal sex.

Or that, going beyond thinking that its self destructive/risky, would seek opprotunity to punish homosexuals for being gay, wheras they wouldnt do so for any other obviously destructive/risky act (they arent trying to make cigarettes or alcohol illegal, for example).

Do you see the double standards there?