[quote]Mick28 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Hey Mick, I’ve just been sitting here reviewing the progress of our little debate and I thought I should let you know that I’m pretty sure I’m winning.
I know you’ll agree.
You must know by now that no one wins Internet debates.
But if it helps you sleep at night…[/quote]
I see you DO agree. Excellent! I’ll mark me down for winning that one, then.
And just to be magnanimous, I’ll go ahead and cop to a slight liberal leaning, social issues-wise.
[quote]since when does that fact that you don’t like something mean you are afraid of it.
That’s just idiotic. I don’t like onions, doesn’t mean I’m afraid of them. [/quote]
Sometimes it correlates, though. For example, I don’t like lima beans - enough so that I frankly fear them. What if, when I’m picking them out of my minestrone soup, I miss one and wind up biting into it? They’re so big and pale green and nasty! Ugh. I shudder to think of it. Also, those crazy june beetles. I know they can’t harm me, so my base feeling is dislike, but the way they fly around banging into everything ratchets my dislike right up into the fear range. What if one lands in my hair? And gets stuck, because my hair is curly?? Unacceptable. I’d have to start squealing, which would make me look like a total lame ass.
But anyway. Yeah. Heterosexual discrimination. I’m against it!
I cant stand liberal thinking, its morals put this countrys rep in the gutter everyday. Who cares if the guy hates gays or not the guy got what he deserved for grabbin him. But in this Ultra Liberal city anything goes, I deal with it everyday.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
since when does that fact that you don’t like something mean you are afraid of it.
That’s just idiotic. I don’t like onions, doesn’t mean I’m afraid of them.
Good call man.
Everyone can see the foolishness of this argument.[/quote]
hahaha.
Hey apbt, when was the last time you tried to say that onions were unnatural, when was the last time you tried to say that other people shouldnt eat onions, or that you dont want to see other people eating onions?
When was the last time you claimed onions were evil?
When was the last time you supported biased laws against onions or onion eaters?
When was the last time you went to the grocery store and tried to get them to stop selling onions?
When was the last time you were worried that your kids might like onions?
Do you get uncomfortable when people talk about eating onions? Do you ask people not to eat onions near you?
The answer to all of these questions is probably NO. Why? Because you arent afraid of onions, you simply dont like them for yourself. The fact that all of these things are often true for homophobes is because they are afraid of homosexuals/homosexuality.
You have to be really really stupid to miss that whole point and think I was just saying “If you dont like something that automatically means you fear it.”
Homophobia is sort of a form of xenophobia. Since two men kissing is foreign to them, they fear it. You fear homosexuals, and your fear and resentment likely stem from fear that you yourself may indeed have homosexual tendencies.
Yea, at least that’s the hope of the crowd you hang out with. In reality two men kissing make me sick. Now let me tell you what that is all about.
And Im sure seeing a black man kiss a white woman makes some people sick. Why should they care?
No you stupid little shit that does not even register. MY cousin married a black woman and I love her like she was my real cousin.
By the way she’s a trial lawyer and she’s making tons of money.
And guess what?
She thinks affirmative action is bullshit. And actually harms blacks emotionally.
Anyway…
you have to stop equating what is natural, one man kissing one woman…of any color, to what is not natural, two men kissing.
You keep trying to compare it to other things, but there are no other things to compare it to.
Silly little man.
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hahahahaha. Weren’t you the same idiot that compared it to beastiality earlier?
That its unnatural, just like a man humping a dog?
Its natural for people to kiss people they are attracted to. Its really not that hard to grasp. And -gasp- some men are attracted to other men! Isnt that incredible?
You’re talking about homosexuals doing things that heterosexuals could do in public without any problems. That is bigotry.
Unless you’re also suggesting that men and women not kiss in public, your ideas are bigoted.
Then you’re suggesting that everyone is a bigot who does not want to see a guy making out with his dog on the street corner.
Again…your logic sucks. Get your money back from LU (liberal university)…QUICKLY.
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First there was “nothing to compare it to”
Now you compare it to a man making out with a dog.
You are an idiot and a bigot.
Two consenting adults have the right to do with each other as they please. If two straight consenting adults can kiss on a street corner, why not two gay consenting adults?
Because it might turn you on if you look too long?
Homosexuality and beastiality are incomparable. You lose.
It’s all about something called “nature”. It isn’t natural to view such a thing and hence makes me sick. And I’m not alone in my feeling either. Most straight men really would rather not look at two men kissing.
hahahahahhaahahha. Nature. Oh man, I love that one. “Homosexuality is unnatural!”
Exactly!
Erm… nevermind that homosexuality has been documented in just about ever species on earth. Those animals are unnatural!
Document this, or shut up.
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Male big horn sheep live in what are often called “homosexual societies.” They bond through genital licking and anal intercourse, which often ends in ejaculation. If a male sheep chooses to not have gay sex, it becomes a social outcast. Ironically, scientists call such straight-laced males “effeminate.”
Giraffes have all-male orgies. So do bottlenose dolphins, killer whales, gray whales, and West Indian manatees. Japanese macaques, on the other hand, are ardent lesbians; the females enthusiastically mount each other. Bonobos, one of our closest primate relatives, are similar, except that their lesbian sexual encounters occur every two hours. Male bonobos engage in “penis fencing,” which leads, surprisingly enough, to ejaculation. They also give each other genital massages.
Oh fuck, looks like you’re wrong.
Roman attitudes and acceptance of homosexuality varied over time, such attitudes ranging from strong condemnation to quite open acceptance.
But there is far greater tolerance for homosexuality in major Latin American countries such as Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia and Brazil. Opinion in Europe is split between West and East. Majorities in every Western European nation surveyed say homosexuality should be accepted by society, while most Russians, Poles and Ukrainians disagree. Americans are divided �?? a thin majority (51%) believes homosexuality should be accepted, while 42% disagree."
Oh wait, here comes the best neocon defense: When faced with evidence you dont like, just claim its a lie!! Go for it bro!
Yeah, procreation is sometimes a result of men and women having sex. I never claimed it wasnt. I dont know what the hell you’re even trying to say here.
Again, I don’t want to look at a dead squirrel on the side of the road either. Does not mean that I’m afraid of it, or that I fear becoming one.
There you go junior, now read it over and over again until you get it.
And your point? So would you say that squirrels aren’t allowed to die anymore, because it makes you uncomfortable? Or that they have to die somewhere that you cant see, since they need to keep your fragile sensibilites intact?
No, just comparing what other things might make me sick other than watching two men get it on.
Oh…and the squirrel didn’t choose to die.
The stupid bastard who chooses to march down the street while fondling another mans balls…well…he’s not as smart as the squirrel, and nearly as moral.
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And what would your reaction be to seeing a man groping a womans breast in public?
I like to call this the “If a man can love a man, why cant I rape my sister with a brick?!?!” argument. You cant come up with any reasonable arguments against homosexuality, so you have to bring in something else:
I already covered it.
It’s sickening to about 90% of the population. It’s unhealthy, unsafe, and a severe breach of traditional values as we’ve known them for thousands of years.
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Annnnd… its not within your rights to stop anyone from doing it. Guess you’ll just have to learn to live with it.
Slippery slope nonsense. Does the term TWO CONSENTING ADULTS not register with you?
TWO.
CONSENTING.
ADULTS.
Do I need to continue repeating that?
Two consenting adults can do as they please as long as it does not infringe on the rights of any nonconsenting others.
A dog cannot consent. Rape victims do not consent. Children cannot consent. Again, you lose.
No. Then again, I wouldnt say “love” and “respect” are the exact same word, but its possible to “love and respect” someone. The same way you have “fear and distain” for homosexuals.
Your semantics games are weak, grandpa. There are elements of fear and elements of disgust in your view of and reaction to homosexuals/homosexuality.
Your kidding right?
Where did I ever indicate that I was afraid of homo’s?
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How about when you admitted that you fear your children being gay? As one of MANY examples.
You did. But you try to justify it by saying its unnatural, or by comparing it to pedophilia, or the same useless neocon bigot nonsense you all spew.
You fear homosexuals. Just, try to understand that.
Why should “fags” be forced to not make out whereas a man and a woman could make out?
Sure, a man and woman couldnt fuck in public, so neither should a gay couple. But when you start saying “Straights can and gays cant!”… thats bigotry.
Once again, you admit to fear of your own homosexual tendencies.
You see comments like that are sooooo stupid that it’s almost unbelievable that such dumb shit would ever be allowed out of someones mouth.
And those who hated Nazis were actually latent Nazis themselves…
And those who despise racism are actually closet racists…
Hey according to your logic, deep down you’re a conservative.
Ha ha…Wow you are a piece of work…
Now the stupid bastard tries to explain it below. Please everyone read this, it’s priceless:
You’re worried that your kids seeing gay people “being gay” will influence them towards being gay themselves. Obviously, this means you believe that a persons sexuality CAN BE influenced in such a way as to get a straight person to “be gay”.
Fact: No one knows why people are gay. Not you, not me, not your liberal professors, no one.
Therefore, how do you know that a child at an early age, say before he/she turns 11 or 12 cannot be influenced? I have never stated that an adult would be influenced, so your argument, like most of your arguments…SUCK!
Back to the liberal drawing board huh?
LOL
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hahahaha
So you, your safe. But your kids… THEY are in danger of being influenced into homosexuality.
LOL
Your logic that sexuality can be influenced still stands. Only now, you set the age at 11 or 12. But why not 18 or 19? Or 30?
You never did mention when and how you “decided” to be straight. I’m sure its a great story.
