Help With Whey Protein

Nutrition
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Nothing was said about him mixing milk, protein and creatine and drinking it post-workout. He said he mixes milk with his protein and he mixes his creatine with apple juice. It doesn’t mention anything about when they are taken. At least that’s how I read it.

Biologically speaking, most is true about post workout nutrition theoretically. But, if one consistently takes the exact amounts of the right nutrients post workout for 1 year, how much more muscle will that person have gained rather than if he just ate a normal meal, all else being the same? No one knows for sure! Sure, post workout nutrition is an insurance policy for muscle growth. But, I don’t let that rule my life. By the way, I’m not knocking it…luckily, I can afford Surge and use it regulary, but I have car insurance too. Just something to think about. Kind of like the milk controversy and “qualtiy of protein” controversy. I happen to love Grow and use 2 scoops three times a day, but will it put an extra 10 lbs of muscle on me (vs. another kind of protein) in a 1 year peroid? Who knows?

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Just read vroom’s post…that’s what I was getting at. He probably said it better than I did. LOL

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[quote]iTry wrote:
umm… post workout?? in one of the threads on creatine use. it says NOT!!! to take before working out… i talked to one of the GNC workers (you no those guys who can barley stand up they r so big) and they do not carry Surge :frowning: well as far as PWO same answer…also i do not want to take the Whey protien with Water, b/c it tastes like Sh**.

i am 15, 6’1, 156 - 160… i havent weighed myself in a bit but i wreslte and was at 152 ish all the way through Febuary so im guessing on what i look like now compared to then… not much difference sept i have packed alittle more muscle on since then. On the panel of the Whey Protein it says to take 5 grams PER pound of body weight. i said forget that its way to much. i just take half that and eat alot of fish and chicken.

If you need more stats let me no.[/quote]

Ok this thread has gone WAY off-topic. Some guys seem to think this is a good thread for a milk debate when it’s obvious this guy needs some help.

No, GNC doesn’t carry Surge. Luckily for you, T-Nation does. It’s on the home page. Also, there is no product called “PWO,” it seems like you were trying to find it at GNC, but I wasn’t completely clear on that. PWO stands for Post Workout.

What you should be taking postworkout is some carbs, such as Gatorade powder, and some protein, preferrably whey hydrolysate, but whey concentrate or isolate will work. You can put your creatine in this shake. The best thing you could have PWO is Surge, but this other stuff will work just fine. If you must use milk PWO, use fat free milk. The fat slows down the absorption of the other nutrients that your body needs, which is very bad.

If you’re really in a pinch, Higher Power whey concentrate is very cheap. $20 for 5 lbs. They don’t sell it at GNC either. You can get it at bodybuilding.com (I’m not sure if I’m allowed to link to another site?).

5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is ridiculous. I don’t know if that’s even possible without puking it all up. Even 2.5 like you’re doing now is probably overkill. 1-2 grams is what most people recommend.

Also, a good general rule to follow is NOT to take the advice of the GNC workers. Remember, they’re there to sell you a product, not to help you get the most out of your training. Most of them (not all) that I’ve encountered don’t know what they’re talking about.

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Alright, Oneeye. You said everything that I would’ve said. There is another thread going on about milk and dairy…Let’s let all debate happen there and let this one be for instructing this guy as to proper PWO nutrition and creatine use and timing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I hate to throw a big 'ole monkey wrench into your approach, but what if someone is using fat free milk?

I have drunk milk in the past post-workout. The primary fuel your body needs after a workout is carbohydrates. Anything else is additive. This is easily fixed if the guy would simply drink some gatorade and then gets on with his milk drinking. I apologize for not making that extremely complicated. Milk has carbs too.

That isn’t to say anything against Surge or any other product you wish to endorse. However, people were making gains long before the products on this site were created and knowledge of post workout nutrition isn’t exactly “new info”. [/quote]

I dont even take Surge regularly friend, i use gatorade and whatever Whey protein i have. Surge is a luxury purchase for me since it costs 25 dollars just to ship to canada.

Anyway yes fat free milk does not have fats and has carbs, but just how many? Around 24 grams per 500 mls. That is not a sufficent amount. You friend are one of the best posters here since you continously mention one should eat big if one wants to be big, but 24 grams of carbs? Come on unless you are cutting bigtime 24 grams of carbs isnt going to meet your postworkout needs. So instead of asking him to consume both gatorade and milk why not just suggest him to lay off the milk and consume one big shake of gatorade, creatine and whey protein?

And then there is the whole taking with creatine with calcium loaded milk issue.

I am not at all anti milk. I actually consume milk and meat products so often i recently started supplementing with fiber, just to make sure my body can continue handling it.

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[quote]samsmarts wrote:
I dont even take Surge regularly friend, i use gatorade and whatever Whey protein i have. Surge is a luxury purchase for me since it costs 25 dollars just to ship to canada.

Anyway yes fat free milk does not have fats and has carbs, but just how many? Around 24 grams per 500 mls. That is not a sufficent amount. You friend are one of the best posters here since you continously mention one should eat big if one wants to be big, but 24 grams of carbs?..
And then there is the whole taking with creatine with calcium loaded milk issue.

I am not at all anti milk. I actually consume milk and meat products so often i recently started supplementing with fiber, just to make sure my body can continue handling it.

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We have been through this already. I wrote in that other post that all you had to do was drink Gatorade if you were concerned about it. You did read that post, right? Also, this guy said he drinks his creatine down with apple juice. You are the only one claiming he is drinking it with milk. Also, while calcium does decrease zinc absorption, it is only about a 10% decrease so it isn’t like it cancels out the effects.

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Some things I need to say on this.

  1. To answer the original question, the current protocol is FINE. Surge is far better, but do what you want.

  2. Milk is highly anabolic after exercise. Whole fat milk is actually MORE anabolic.

  3. The “anabolic window” lasts at least 24 hours, and I wouldn’t avoid fat intake during this time (especially considering point #2).

  4. Prof X stated “knowledge of post workout nutrition isn’t exactly “new info”.” I agree, but only because bodybuilding has been so reluctant to adopt any research that isn’t 5 years old.

  5. Sitting in a class of MD’s, they asked the prof about the hormones in milk. No shit. Fucking MD’s don’t know enough about hormones and digestion to figure it out themselves? I felt emBarrassed for them.

Cheers

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ok guys Bottom line here!!!

The FLAVOR OF THE STUFF IS VANILLA.

All i wanted to know was if it would be best to take it with water rather than milk. I dont care about that “post-workout” window stuff. i’m 15 and can sleep off 2 pounds… just tell me where to get some kind of liquid to make the whey protien more bareable than just putting it in plain ol’ water!

jesus, i didnt ask for all that other stuff. i think next time ill look for a Non flavored powder. and like i said GNC DOES NOT SELL SURGE OR PWO DRINKS! where to get them?

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Well, you found the website…Surge is just a few clicks away.

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[quote]fedorov91 wrote:
Did you keep the receipt?

GNC will usually refund your money if it is within 30 days of yourpurchase date.

Take it back and use your money on Grow![/quote]

why do you say GNC’s whe is so cheap? how can you back this up? why do you say it is so poor in quality? are you just sucking up? just wondering