Hi guys,
Been running
250mg test E (125mg every 3 days)
50mg tren a every day
And a oral winstrol every day
I’ve experienced no sides and some strength gain.
I want to up the tren as this isn’t my first tren cycle (previous was 25mg Ed) and made decent progress.
Since I’ve experiencing no sides at all can I up the tren to maybe 80mg ED? Should I also up the test to go along side?
Cheers.
It would probably be helpful to state how long you’ve been on this current regimen and what your stats are.
Been on current for 2 weeks now,
25 years of age
Machine says 9% bf but id guess around 12
80kg
5’9
Cheers
Ahh…
how long are you planning to run cycle? IMO you could increase dose but I think a bit better would be to wait to the half way point and then bump it.
I have upped it to the following:
Monday: 100mg tren, 125mg test e
Tuesday: 100mg tren, 0.25 arimidex 0.25 caber
Wednesday: 100mg tren, 125mg test e
Thursday: 100mg tren
Friday: 100mg tren, 125mg test e
Saturday: 100mg tren, 0.25 arimidex 0.25 caber
Sunday: 100mg tren, 125mg test e
Seem like a good plan?
Thats high dose tren but if you can handle it, it will give some nice recomp effects.
SB
The higher you can pump up the tren dose, the better the recomping effects. My experience.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some pros are taking 3/4g before a show
Don’t suppose you guys can help me with this issue,
Thank you for replies but…
I get no symptoms from anything, when I was doing test, no higher libido, when doing 700mg tren, no symptoms, when I do recreational drugs (in the past) I had no effect from them,why is this?
Kind regards
it was all fake.
Either that or you didn’t realize it. Do you mean side effects or ANY effects?
DaLlAs McCaRvEr
I don’t know whether they use that much tren tho, surely they’d be dead… but then again testimony from an 70s/80s BB indicated (self said) that he used 10,000mg daily prior to a competition. Whether he was serious or full of shit is uncertain… he did have multiple myocardial infarctions in his 30s/40s if I recall correctly, but is still alive after numerous open heart surgeries
Are you competing and/or modelling
If you’re a recreational gym goer (and I think most will agree here), then you have no business using these dosages (4000mg ish test equivalent)
Not going to lecture you, as it is you’re choice. But you’re aware of the systemic damage you’re inducing? At these dosages/compounds I’d honestly rather smoke a packet of cigarettes daily, it’d be healthier (and I can explain why, the level of damage one would typically acquire to their cardiovascular system from regular usage of these dosages would be fairly extensive… 700mg tren weekly is no joke, esp tren/winny combo… the anabolic doc warned about this combo in one of his videos, stating he’s seeing heart disease develop at unprecedented rates)
Furthermore, cardiac damage isn’t typically something one can pick up on bloods (BNP can indicate the development of a dialated cardiomyopathy) but on a cellular level, collagen disarrangement, development of fibrous tissue in the absence of a cardiac event etc can’t be detected on bloods/ekg… neurological effects from tren may furthermore be long lasting and/or permenant. I’d stipulate the level to which you’re using (test+high tren + anadrol + winstrol) is about as healthy as going to a frat party… daily… for the duration you use
Granted there are genetic variables that allow one to get away with more, but cycling like this regularly you’d probably be hard pressed to push 50-60 years old
You might’ve gotten fake/underdosed product. I don’t know what recreational compounds you’re talking about here (like preworkout/ephedra, recreational drugs like cannabis or harder stuff like cocaine, painkillers etc). For psychedelic drugs, the concurrent use of an SSRI (besides being potentially risky) tends to nullify the effect. For MDMA… without testing it’s impossible to know what you’re getting, and once again SSRI use concurrently (risky) nullifies the effect
For cannabis, most who get high the first time don’t inhale properly, particularly if they’ve never smoked before. Get a cigarette smoker who has never smoked a joint to light up (but don’t do this, don’t ever encourage others to use recreational drugs… it’s up to the individual to make their own irresponsible decisions…) and they’ll certainly get fucked up… however the fact that you’ve used recreational drugs in the past doesn’t surprise me at all, not that that’s a problem (unless you’re use is problematic in nature) on megadoses however I’d suggest cutting out recreational drug use for obvious reasons, as the harms induced by AAS will be heavily compounded. You mentioned that drug use was in the past, so I assume you’ve got that aspect under control.
There’s a time and a place for experimentation if you choose to experiment… and on a heavy cycle isn’t one of them. I wouldn’t even drink a beer on very special occasions or even have a sip of wine on what you’re using lol
Hey,
Sorry don’t know if I explained wrong. I’ve never been a druggie, it’s just rec use when going out with friends. Coke and weed a few times. No effect from either, when friends would be buzzing. Also my test is prescribed so it’s legit and my tren is probably from the most repatuble company website direct, rhyming with llama-dom.
Is there something wrong 
Nyone know a cause?
I’d never heard of that one before but enjoy taking naps.
Well not everyone experiences side effects. Cocaine isn’t something to scoff at, its acutely one of the more dangerous compounds you can experiment with… but that’s not something I’m going to get into as I’m not going to rant about this stuff anymore. Some need more to garner an effect, with cannabis perhaps you didn’t inhale… other than that it’s not important, just don’t do these things on cycle
The problem is the dosages you’re choosing to employ, for a recreational gym goer they’re simply too high unless you’re an absolutely massive unit
The problem with UGLs is that batch to batch can be dosed differently, and when a good reputation is built up, sometimes companies will start cutting corners because they KNOW they can get away with it
By no means am I a unit. I’d say around 10% bf eating around 2200 calories a day at 24 years old and 80kg.im gaining weight on this current cycle. Ideally I want to cut even more bf. Should I lower my calories?
Currently around
180g carbs
220g protein
70g fat
On tren , with lower calories. Good luck. The good thing with tren is that you CAN keep your Cal’s higher while stripping bodyfat.
I don’t care what people say, tren is the one drug that can bend the rules of thermodynamics
This isn’t unique to trenbolone, all anabolic steroids increase you’re basal metabolic rate
The reason tren is so efficient within this regard is because it’s so strong… however using tren to stay lean to avoid working on diet has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of anyone doing
If one is pumping up the dosages so high they’re eating kfc 3x/day (good lord I hope one wouldn’t do this on tren #lipidoxidation) without gaining fat, they’re not working for that physique, they’re solely relying on drugs
All AAS will bend this rule, esp those with very high binding affinity to the AR like mast, anavar etc
How tall are you, if you’re over say 5’6 then you have no business running 700mg tren for prolonged periods of time… well you can as it’s youre choice, but it’s an immensely risky, impulsive choice to make when you certainly don’t need NEARLY that much to make sick gains
I’ve said before, just because you perceive something to be free of side effects doesn’t mean it’s safe. I used the analogy in relation to me and alcohol. It takes a good 20-25 standard drinks to get me intoxicated, I CAN drink a twelve pack one night, barely catch a buzz, get up the next day like nothing happened and rinse/repeat… since I don’t have any visible side effects this means it’s totally safe and I should do this every day right? No… but this is the logic I see you, and many others using to justify using exorbitant dosages
If you’ve competed numerous times and are a fucking tank like @singhbuilder, then I understand… if you’re one of the best in the world at what you do like flipcollar… understandable… but for a rec gym goer, there is really no need to be using tren, and if you do (as some will because they’re well educated on the risks/rewards use entails yet still decide to use, in which case all the more power to them, at least they know what they’re potentially getting themselves into). If you need to use tren, why not stick to 50mg daily, that’s what I’d probably say the upper upper upper limit on what a gym rat should use is