Help with T1 Diabetes/Fat Loss

Diet and Nutrition
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Hey, I am looking for advice about trying to let lean (around 10% bf) whilst t1 diabetic. I am currently 190-193 at 17% and looking to lean down for a holiday in mid august.

Have took my calories to 2500 (maintenance worked out at 2900) a day with a 250/250/ 55 split for the past month with weight training and conditioning 3x a week but have still not lost bf. I messaged a few diabetic guys over at bb.com and they were saying the more insulin you take the more likely you are too store bf. Since I had tried this macro split I have been struggling more to maintain steady blood sugars.

A few were also saying to limit carbs to pwo only?

Im guessing my insulin sensitivity is terrible with my bf being as high combined with my diabetes?

Any advice/tips would be welcome,
Thanks

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I would be cautious who you get your advice from on this one :wink:

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[quote]gribbo88 wrote:
Hey, I am looking for advice about trying to let lean (around 10% bf) whilst t1 diabetic. I am currently 190-193 at 17% and looking to lean down for a holiday in mid august.

Have took my calories to 2500 (maintenance worked out at 2900) a day with a 250/250/ 55 split for the past month with weight training and conditioning 3x a week but have still not lost bf. I messaged a few diabetic guys over at bb.com and they were saying the more insulin you take the more likely you are too store bf. Since I had tried this macro split I have been struggling more to maintain steady blood sugars.

A few were also saying to limit carbs to pwo only?

Im guessing my insulin sensitivity is terrible with my bf being as high combined with my diabetes?

Any advice/tips would be welcome,
Thanks [/quote]

Essentially what you want to do is minimize the amount and times you take insulin, especially at periods when your muscles insulin receptors are not sensitive to insulin. Without knowing more about your situation (types of insulin you are taking, long acting, etc. and how often you take insulin) it is tough to do anything but give general recommendations.

Someone who is a type 1 diabetic could benefit greatly from being able to get 2 moderate workouts in a day as opposed to one hard one. GLUT 4 cells can be mechanically activated by exercise, thus diminishing the demand for insulin around your workouts.

Having the majority of your daily calories in meals that come after your workouts should lower the amount of insulin required due to the GLUT 4 translocation from exercise. This means you’ll have fewer meals throughout the day that will require insulin, when your muscle’s insulin receptors are not particularly responsive to insulin, which should minimize fat storage.

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[quote]schanz_05 wrote:

[quote]gribbo88 wrote:
Hey, I am looking for advice about trying to let lean (around 10% bf) whilst t1 diabetic. I am currently 190-193 at 17% and looking to lean down for a holiday in mid august.

Have took my calories to 2500 (maintenance worked out at 2900) a day with a 250/250/ 55 split for the past month with weight training and conditioning 3x a week but have still not lost bf. I messaged a few diabetic guys over at bb.com and they were saying the more insulin you take the more likely you are too store bf. Since I had tried this macro split I have been struggling more to maintain steady blood sugars.

A few were also saying to limit carbs to pwo only?

Im guessing my insulin sensitivity is terrible with my bf being as high combined with my diabetes?

Any advice/tips would be welcome,
Thanks [/quote]

Essentially what you want to do is minimize the amount and times you take insulin, especially at periods when your muscles insulin receptors are not sensitive to insulin. Without knowing more about your situation (types of insulin you are taking, long acting, etc. and how often you take insulin) it is tough to do anything but give general recommendations.

Someone who is a type 1 diabetic could benefit greatly from being able to get 2 moderate workouts in a day as opposed to one hard one. GLUT 4 cells can be mechanically activated by exercise, thus diminishing the demand for insulin around your workouts.

Having the majority of your daily calories in meals that come after your workouts should lower the amount of insulin required due to the GLUT 4 translocation from exercise. This means you’ll have fewer meals throughout the day that will require insulin, when your muscle’s insulin receptors are not particularly responsive to insulin, which should minimize fat storage.

[/quote]
This is an example of someone you shouldn’t listen to.
The ONLY people you should listen to are people qualified to give dietary advice when dealing with diseases: Dietitians. Don’t listen to people on the internet, even if it sounds scientifically correct - most of the time it’s not.
Sorry to be harsh. Schanz_05, I know your heart is in the right place.

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250/250/55… That’s C/P/F, right?

You say you lift and do cardio 3x per week. Is that a total of exercising 3x per week? If so, that isnt very much and going up to 5x per week wouldn’t be a bad idea.

It sounds like for the last month you have just started exercising or am I misunderstanding? If you have in fact just started lifting, chances are you could be losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time. Typical for beginners.

I cannot comment on the T1D issue and be careful.

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[quote]OzyNut wrote:

[quote]schanz_05 wrote:

[quote]gribbo88 wrote:
Hey, I am looking for advice about trying to let lean (around 10% bf) whilst t1 diabetic. I am currently 190-193 at 17% and looking to lean down for a holiday in mid august.

Have took my calories to 2500 (maintenance worked out at 2900) a day with a 250/250/ 55 split for the past month with weight training and conditioning 3x a week but have still not lost bf. I messaged a few diabetic guys over at bb.com and they were saying the more insulin you take the more likely you are too store bf. Since I had tried this macro split I have been struggling more to maintain steady blood sugars.

A few were also saying to limit carbs to pwo only?

Im guessing my insulin sensitivity is terrible with my bf being as high combined with my diabetes?

Any advice/tips would be welcome,
Thanks [/quote]

Essentially what you want to do is minimize the amount and times you take insulin, especially at periods when your muscles insulin receptors are not sensitive to insulin. Without knowing more about your situation (types of insulin you are taking, long acting, etc. and how often you take insulin) it is tough to do anything but give general recommendations.

Someone who is a type 1 diabetic could benefit greatly from being able to get 2 moderate workouts in a day as opposed to one hard one. GLUT 4 cells can be mechanically activated by exercise, thus diminishing the demand for insulin around your workouts.

Having the majority of your daily calories in meals that come after your workouts should lower the amount of insulin required due to the GLUT 4 translocation from exercise. This means you’ll have fewer meals throughout the day that will require insulin, when your muscle’s insulin receptors are not particularly responsive to insulin, which should minimize fat storage.

[/quote]
This is an example of someone you shouldn’t listen to.
The ONLY people you should listen to are people qualified to give dietary advice when dealing with diseases: Dietitians. Don’t listen to people on the internet, even if it sounds scientifically correct - most of the time it’s not.
Sorry to be harsh. Schanz_05, I know your heart is in the right place.[/quote]

Exactly. I like to think I’m a bit educated (self and professionally) on nutrition but when dealing with something like T1 diabetes, one must know when to “bow” out of giving recommendations.

Sadly though, RDs probably won’t be able to truly help unless you can find one that perhaps caters to athletes, which means avoid hospital RDs for the most part and look for ones that went to work for themselves.

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Im T1 as well.
Ive found that i have a shitload more insulin sensitivity after i lift or do any anaerobic exercise. Its especially a dramatic change if i do big compound exercises, like squats. What was your diet like before this? Ive found that lots of carbs make my blood sugar hard to control because I have to deal with bigger amounts of insulin which is inherently more unstable.

I usually eat about 150g carbs a day myself. As far as the fat loss goes, Ive heard alot about how more insulin= more fat gain. Personally, I havent noticed this but maybe its because Im a 20 year old who has alot of trouble gaining weight. I really need to eat aggressively to gain weight.

As far as diabetes goes, you really need to keep track of your numbers and see what works for you. You need to identify trends with exercising (especially different types of exercise) food, stress, sleep etc. I actually made a pretty damn good chart that I modified from something I found on a website with space for just about everything if you want me to P.M. it to you.

The one thing Ive learned is that at the end of the day, it doesnt matter what the doctor or anyone else says what your body will do, its what your body ACTUALLY does. I like my endocronologist but theres been some things that hes said that have been flat out wrong for me.

If you havent already read it already. Id like to recommend the book Think Like a Pancreas by Gary Scheiner. I really like it because hes medically educated and also a T1 so he both walks the walk and talks the talk. I also have a book called The Diabetic Athlete (forget authors name). This book is cool because he takes a ton of diabetic athletes and documents how they adapt their regimen for their sports.

The thing is though, overall there is not that much info about heavy lifting and diabetes and sadly ive found out most of what I know by trial and error.

I guess this post turned into more about diabetes things then the losing fat issue, but i hope you learn something from this post. Id be happy to answer any other questions.

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[quote]OzyNut wrote:

[quote]schanz_05 wrote:

[quote]gribbo88 wrote:
Hey, I am looking for advice about trying to let lean (around 10% bf) whilst t1 diabetic. I am currently 190-193 at 17% and looking to lean down for a holiday in mid august.

Have took my calories to 2500 (maintenance worked out at 2900) a day with a 250/250/ 55 split for the past month with weight training and conditioning 3x a week but have still not lost bf. I messaged a few diabetic guys over at bb.com and they were saying the more insulin you take the more likely you are too store bf. Since I had tried this macro split I have been struggling more to maintain steady blood sugars.

A few were also saying to limit carbs to pwo only?

Im guessing my insulin sensitivity is terrible with my bf being as high combined with my diabetes?

Any advice/tips would be welcome,
Thanks [/quote]

Essentially what you want to do is minimize the amount and times you take insulin, especially at periods when your muscles insulin receptors are not sensitive to insulin. Without knowing more about your situation (types of insulin you are taking, long acting, etc. and how often you take insulin) it is tough to do anything but give general recommendations.

Someone who is a type 1 diabetic could benefit greatly from being able to get 2 moderate workouts in a day as opposed to one hard one. GLUT 4 cells can be mechanically activated by exercise, thus diminishing the demand for insulin around your workouts.

Having the majority of your daily calories in meals that come after your workouts should lower the amount of insulin required due to the GLUT 4 translocation from exercise. This means you’ll have fewer meals throughout the day that will require insulin, when your muscle’s insulin receptors are not particularly responsive to insulin, which should minimize fat storage.

[/quote]
This is an example of someone you shouldn’t listen to.
The ONLY people you should listen to are people qualified to give dietary advice when dealing with diseases: Dietitians. Don’t listen to people on the internet, even if it sounds scientifically correct - most of the time it’s not.
Sorry to be harsh. Schanz_05, I know your heart is in the right place.[/quote]

What does your typical dietician know about bodybuilders? And what it takes to build muscle? Most dieticians are only educated in how to deal with normal people. Your everyday couch potato, not a bodybuilder trying to build muscle and/or get lean. Some basic things, like limit sugar intake. Limit wheat products. Limit carbs in general.

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[quote]OzyNut wrote:

[quote]schanz_05 wrote:

[quote]gribbo88 wrote:
Hey, I am looking for advice about trying to let lean (around 10% bf) whilst t1 diabetic. I am currently 190-193 at 17% and looking to lean down for a holiday in mid august.

Have took my calories to 2500 (maintenance worked out at 2900) a day with a 250/250/ 55 split for the past month with weight training and conditioning 3x a week but have still not lost bf. I messaged a few diabetic guys over at bb.com and they were saying the more insulin you take the more likely you are too store bf. Since I had tried this macro split I have been struggling more to maintain steady blood sugars.

A few were also saying to limit carbs to pwo only?

Im guessing my insulin sensitivity is terrible with my bf being as high combined with my diabetes?

Any advice/tips would be welcome,
Thanks [/quote]

Essentially what you want to do is minimize the amount and times you take insulin, especially at periods when your muscles insulin receptors are not sensitive to insulin. Without knowing more about your situation (types of insulin you are taking, long acting, etc. and how often you take insulin) it is tough to do anything but give general recommendations.

Someone who is a type 1 diabetic could benefit greatly from being able to get 2 moderate workouts in a day as opposed to one hard one. GLUT 4 cells can be mechanically activated by exercise, thus diminishing the demand for insulin around your workouts.

Having the majority of your daily calories in meals that come after your workouts should lower the amount of insulin required due to the GLUT 4 translocation from exercise. This means you’ll have fewer meals throughout the day that will require insulin, when your muscle’s insulin receptors are not particularly responsive to insulin, which should minimize fat storage.

[/quote]
This is an example of someone you shouldn’t listen to.
The ONLY people you should listen to are people qualified to give dietary advice when dealing with diseases: Dietitians. Don’t listen to people on the internet, even if it sounds scientifically correct - most of the time it’s not.
Sorry to be harsh. Schanz_05, I know your heart is in the right place.[/quote]

Lol, I knew I should of prefaced my comment by saying don’t listen to anything I say because I am not a doctor. But really, these were general recommendations about switching meal timing, and how working towards being able to lower the amount of insulin you use in periods where your muscle’s sensitivity isn’t attentive to insulin will be beneficial to body composition.

I realize it is popular right now to say why are you asking this on a message board? Go talk to a doctor! But honestly what kind of answer do you think he will get? Anyway, just my thoughts, I am not going to feel bad about giving advice (that someone asked for) when I feel it was completely reasonable.

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hey, thought I had email notifications for this thread! Have been training for 7-8 months now. Yea as a few of the guys said the medics and doctors have no idea of training or eating when trying to gain size and strength aswell as losing fat. ideally just to speak and bounce ideas off other t1 diabetics who lift weights/ train for strength/aesthetic goals. Thanks

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schanz_05 and tarrom if you guys wana pm me your email that would be great. I am unable to communicate via PM on here. Thanks