[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
I refuse to take weight lifting advice from someone who looks like he should be on a soap opera. Sorry, Chad Waterbury is a book writer who lifts. You see a lot of that around here. Some would even say there’s been transformations from “lifters who write” to “writers who lift” round here.
The best part of this site isn’t the latest greatest superhero program…it’s the old shit in the archives.[/quote]
Really? That’s not a very good reason not to listen to someone.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Sarev0k wrote:
CW never weighed 280.
280 on a 6 foot 2 guy who is obsessed with “HAWt AbZ” and “Looking Good Naked,” would never dream of weighing 280,
CW is 6’5. That’s a lot more frame to fill.[/quote]
I’m 6 foot four and just reached 240 last week.
CW is the same guy who tells people not to train their biceps directly
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
BantamRunner wrote:
I refuse to take weight lifting advice from someone who looks like he should be on a soap opera. Sorry, Chad Waterbury is a book writer who lifts. You see a lot of that around here. Some would even say there’s been transformations from “lifters who write” to “writers who lift” round here.
The best part of this site isn’t the latest greatest superhero program…it’s the old shit in the archives.
Really? That’s not a very good reason not to listen to someone.[/quote]
It was a joke dude…
Seriously though…success leaves clues…results sell themselves…pretty faces sell books. If someone makes it an effort to look like a soap opera star or be a Vin Diesel look-a-like…I become suspicious. Financial success in this “business” is mostly about marketing. Some of the best strength and physique coaches out there no one knows about because they’re not trying to sell a book, program, supp, etc. Call me jaded or whatever, I’m just being real.
On the flip side…Charles Poliquin, Dave Tate, Scott Abel…not trying to call them fugly or anything like that…but cover models they are not and they swim in the deep end of the results pool. Of course they’re trying to sell something just like anyone else in this business…but I believe their methods are either more sound or more original. Now, don’t get your undies in a bunch, I’m not trying to call people out…I’m just stating an opinion…I find that I listen to uglier coaches/trainers moreso than pretty boys.
Wtf? What the shit? Seriously bantam, i got hawt abs and a 44 inch chest after huge in a hurry! maybe one day my arms will be as big as RYAN REYNOLDS’!
I dunno how big they are but he sure has som HaWT aBZ
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
BantamRunner wrote:
I refuse to take weight lifting advice from someone who looks like he should be on a soap opera. Sorry, Chad Waterbury is a book writer who lifts. You see a lot of that around here. Some would even say there’s been transformations from “lifters who write” to “writers who lift” round here.
The best part of this site isn’t the latest greatest superhero program…it’s the old shit in the archives.
Really? That’s not a very good reason not to listen to someone.
It was a joke dude…
Seriously though…success leaves clues…results sell themselves…pretty faces sell books. If someone makes it an effort to look like a soap opera star or be a Vin Diesel look-a-like…I become suspicious. Financial success in this “business” is mostly about marketing. Some of the best strength and physique coaches out there no one knows about because they’re not trying to sell a book, program, supp, etc. Call me jaded or whatever, I’m just being real.
On the flip side…Charles Poliquin, Dave Tate, Scott Abel…not trying to call them fugly or anything like that…but cover models they are not and they swim in the deep end of the results pool. Of course they’re trying to sell something just like anyone else in this business…but I believe their methods are either more sound or more original. Now, don’t get your undies in a bunch, I’m not trying to call people out…I’m just stating an opinion…I find that I listen to uglier coaches/trainers moreso than pretty boys.
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Haha, well if Dave Tate and Scott Abel were ever on a soap opera they would probably eat the other guys as a postworkout meal, that and some Anaconda.
I don’t really want to enter this debate but what the heck.
Chad Waterbury is the “smallest” coach to ever use the level of “marketing hyperbole” he does in his material - I definitely wouldn’t expect someone to reach an elite level of development basing his training entirely on his writings…and thats me being nice.
BUT at the very least… Chad’s books on training have a LOT of useful material/ideas that almost ANYone (at MOST levels of development) can incorporate/benefit from from time to time.
And PERSONALLY, with the amount of bullshit this site is receiving in the last few months, Chad Waterbury is the ONLY author on here I take at least HALF-seriously, after the departure of Cy Willson and some others.
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who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you.
Thanks Sentoguy for understanding my point. That is why I put the disclaimer “I have not read the book yet.” It was just an observation. If I’m picking up a book to become huge then I would expect Chad had some success with the program and could include one of those huge individuals in the book. I’m sure someone he trains has a pretty face that people wouldn’t mind looking at.
I’m not discounting Chad or the methods in the book. The model appears to do a fine job portraying the exercises. It’s just that I would have a hard time following the program if that’s the model they have representing the “hugeness” one would expect to gain from the program.
I like Chad and have incorporated his techniques and ideas in my training several times.
[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you. [/quote]
I am currently still using the book, i started at 158, today has been 3 months, i am roughly 178 now…(scale weight)
now it’s not “Huge” by any means…but the term “huge” is relevant…
to a guy who weighs 160 lbs, if i reach 200 lbs by my sixth month, I could see that as getting Huge in a hurry…that is a massive body overhaul…
one other thing you need to think about…if you were going to market a book…wouldn’t you try and come up with some clever name? i wouldn’t name my book… “Get Bigger Fast”
in today’s society…everyone wants everything now… Hence the “Hurry”
in a bodybuilding or “hardgainer’s” mind, “Huge” is what they want…when do they want it? In a Hurry…
being someone who started off smaller, i thought the model in the book was a great goal to shoot for, as he is toned out, and cut to hell…while he may not be “Huge”, he is certainly way bigger than I…
i dunno…just my thoughts…
synbin24 what is your height? did you follow his nutrition advice? did you gain a lot of fat? any before after pics?
i have lost a lot of fat since i have been cutting and i want to follow high diet plan, i dont anticipate on gaining a lot of fat since i will be eating lots of healthy fats that im not taking right now(carlsons fish oil, flax seeds, and xtra virgin olive oil) that will help out with keeping fat at a minimum.
If you want to get “huge in a hurry” then Chad Waterbury isn’t the author to listen to. Just my humble opinion.
[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you. [/quote]
Yeah. Let’s get this thread back on track. Will all the people who got huge on CW’s program please join us in this discussion with before and after pics.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you.
Yeah. Let’s get this thread back on track. Will all the people who got huge on CW’s program please join us in this discussion with before and after pics.[/quote]
I don’t have pictures. Wish I did but I can tell you that it does work. HUGE? Don’t know about that, but I can say you can add size and Strength. My example is my son a 19 year old college baseball player. He trained seriously during his senior year of H.S. and than again during his freshman year of college. He got in better shape and gained some strength during this time but always remained around 170-173 pounds. Fast forward to today. He is on his second four week cycle of “Huge in a Hurry” and to date he is 180 pounds. All of his lifts have climbed. His decline went from a mere 160 to 195 for reps of 5. I was shocked and proud. He looks leaner while gaining size. He hated pull ups could barely do two. Now he can do eight with good form.
He likes it because it is quick. He is in and out of the gym sometimes in less than a half an hour. The exercise selection doesn’t put any undo strain on his shoulders which is very important to him being a baseball player.
It’s not for everyone though. I did the frist 4 week cycle with him so that I could correct any form issues. Although I leaned out a bit I lost size. It did teach me a thing or two about priming your nervous system so I would have to say it was worth it for me in that aspect.
All you can do is try it for yourself. There are always goning to be a lot of nay sayers, but until they try it for themselves they really can’t critique it properly. I wouldn’t do it again myself but I feel it is great for athletes and my son loves it.
[quote]3hitter wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you.
Yeah. Let’s get this thread back on track. Will all the people who got huge on CW’s program please join us in this discussion with before and after pics.
I don’t have pictures. Wish I did but I can tell you that it does work. HUGE? Don’t know about that, but I can say you can add size and Strength. My example is my son a 19 year old college baseball player. He trained seriously during his senior year of H.S. and than again during his freshman year of college. He got in better shape and gained some strength during this time but always remained around 170-173 pounds. Fast forward to today. He is on his second four week cycle of “Huge in a Hurry” and to date he is 180 pounds. All of his lifts have climbed. His decline went from a mere 160 to 195 for reps of 5. I was shocked and proud. He looks leaner while gaining size. He hated pull ups could barely do two. Now he can do eight with good form.
He likes it because it is quick. He is in and out of the gym sometimes in less than a half an hour. The exercise selection doesn’t put any undo strain on his shoulders which is very important to him being a baseball player.
It’s not for everyone though. I did the frist 4 week cycle with him so that I could correct any form issues. Although I leaned out a bit I lost size. It did teach me a thing or two about priming your nervous system so I would have to say it was worth it for me in that aspect.
All you can do is try it for yourself. There are always goning to be a lot of nay sayers, but until they try it for themselves they really can’t critique it properly. I wouldn’t do it again myself but I feel it is great for athletes and my son loves it.
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Props to your son. How tall is he?
[quote]3hitter wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you.
Yeah. Let’s get this thread back on track. Will all the people who got huge on CW’s program please join us in this discussion with before and after pics.
I don’t have pictures. Wish I did but I can tell you that it does work. HUGE? Don’t know about that, but I can say you can add size and Strength. My example is my son a 19 year old college baseball player. He trained seriously during his senior year of H.S. and than again during his freshman year of college. He got in better shape and gained some strength during this time but always remained around 170-173 pounds. Fast forward to today. He is on his second four week cycle of “Huge in a Hurry” and to date he is 180 pounds. All of his lifts have climbed. His decline went from a mere 160 to 195 for reps of 5. I was shocked and proud. He looks leaner while gaining size. He hated pull ups could barely do two. Now he can do eight with good form.
He likes it because it is quick. He is in and out of the gym sometimes in less than a half an hour. The exercise selection doesn’t put any undo strain on his shoulders which is very important to him being a baseball player.
It’s not for everyone though. I did the frist 4 week cycle with him so that I could correct any form issues. Although I leaned out a bit I lost size. It did teach me a thing or two about priming your nervous system so I would have to say it was worth it for me in that aspect.
All you can do is try it for yourself. There are always goning to be a lot of nay sayers, but until they try it for themselves they really can’t critique it properly. I wouldn’t do it again myself but I feel it is great for athletes and my son loves it.
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I’m only nitpicking here.
We (the group of bodybuilders) have already agreed that athletes will benefit more from CW.
When asked for an example of someone who got huge you replied with “…I lost size.” Although diet is the most important factor when examining weight gain or loss, this is not something that bodes well when defending the “Huge in a Hurry” label.
I also play baseball, less competitively now that I just graduated college, and I’ve trained like a bodybuilder my whole life. If I was a pitcher I would have trained different. I would have not put on so much chest mass if I pitched but that’s a different story. My shoulders got stronger as I grew. My arm strength also improved as a I got stronger. I’ve never used AAS in season and didn’t do any baseball related stuff in the off season, I’m just saying.
Feel free to nitpick. That is how health conversation is born.
People are too caught up in the title of this book. What is “huge”? If your like most when you went from 170lbs to 190lbs you probably looked at yourself at some point and said, “Damn, I’m getting HUGE”. But now when you look back, not so huge.
That’s what I’m saying. I feel it works well for athletes.
There are two sides to every story. Basic point for those that may have missed it, try things for yourself and find out how your body responds. No two people are the same. What works well for one doesn’t necessarily work for all. Just as your best advice for structuring a routine to grow my arms may not work as well for me as it does for you.
I also train bodybuilder style. In lost size it wasn’t dramatic but something I noticed. Yes I know all about food. For me personally the volume just wasn’t enough. Had I upped the volume who knows? I just felt that now that I’m 46 I know what works for me, but I’m not beyond experimenting for a short period in order to draw conclusions. You never really know before you try. I never was a good arm chair quarterback.
The example was my son. He indeed is growing substantially and quickly plus it doesnâ??t take up excessive time. Which, as a former college student and athlete, you know time is scarce. So yes it is working for him. Again the body builder lifting style may have worked well for you. Could a different style have improved your game? Possibly. We feel that there is a better way to train for my son and his baseball career. True body builder muscle is to limiting. It is very important, to us anyway, keeping his shoulder girdle healthy while building stability and strength. Beside, a strong lower body and core improve throwing speed and distance more that anything. Well, that along with long tossing. But that’s another story.
Can you get â??HUGE IN A HURRYâ??? Iâ??ll let you know as he progresses through the program. Iâ??ll see about pictures and measurement if I can convince him. If he continues to gain at this rate we will be backing off little.
Anyway, moral of the story, if you want to know if something â??worksâ?? there is only one way to find out. Try it.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Props to your son. How tall is he?[/quote]
Thanks. He is 5’11"
[quote]3hitter wrote:
I’m only nitpicking here.
We (the group of bodybuilders) have already agreed that athletes will benefit more from CW.
When asked for an example of someone who got huge you replied with “…I lost size.” Although diet is the most important factor when examining weight gain or loss, this is not something that bodes well when defending the “Huge in a Hurry” label.
I also play baseball, less competitively now that I just graduated college, and I’ve trained like a bodybuilder my whole life. If I was a pitcher I would have trained different. I would have not put on so much chest mass if I pitched but that’s a different story. My shoulders got stronger as I grew. My arm strength also improved as a I got stronger. I’ve never used AAS in season and didn’t do any baseball related stuff in the off season, I’m just saying.
Feel free to nitpick. That is how health conversation is born.
People are too caught up in the title of this book. What is “huge”? If your like most when you went from 170lbs to 190lbs you probably looked at yourself at some point and said, “Damn, I’m getting HUGE”. But now when you look back, not so huge.
That’s what I’m saying. I feel it works well for athletes.
There are two sides to every story. Basic point for those that may have missed it, try things for yourself and find out how your body responds. No two people are the same. What works well for one doesn’t necessarily work for all. Just as your best advice for structuring a routine to grow my arms may not work as well for me as it does for you.
I also train bodybuilder style. In lost size it wasn’t dramatic but something I noticed. Yes I know all about food. For me personally the volume just wasn’t enough. Had I upped the volume who knows? I just felt that now that I’m 46 I know what works for me, but I’m not beyond experimenting for a short period in order to draw conclusions. You never really know before you try. I never was a good arm chair quarterback.
The example was my son. He indeed is growing substantially and quickly plus it doesnâ??t take up excessive time. Which, as a former college student and athlete, you know time is scarce. So yes it is working for him. Again the body builder lifting style may have worked well for you. Could a different style have improved your game? Possibly. We feel that there is a better way to train for my son and his baseball career. True body builder muscle is to limiting. It is very important, to us anyway, keeping his shoulder girdle healthy while building stability and strength. Beside, a strong lower body and core improve throwing speed and distance more that anything. Well, that along with long tossing. But that’s another story.
Can you get â??HUGE IN A HURRYâ??? Iâ??ll let you know as he progresses through the program. Iâ??ll see about pictures and measurement if I can convince him. If he continues to gain at this rate we will be backing off little.
Anyway, moral of the story, if you want to know if something â??worksâ?? there is only one way to find out. Try it.
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I reread the part of my post about how bodybuilding had not negatively impacted baseball. I didn’t mean to imply that bodybuilding is the way to get better at baseball. I don’t think that at all. I just think that too many baseball coaches are afraid of letting their players put on muscle. I am young and do not have much experience when it comes to different coaching styles but I have noticed that baseball coaches would much rather have their position players do distance running and band work rather than lift anything that even remotely resembles a heavy weight. The point I was trying to make is that by baseball standards I may be ‘musclebound’ but my on field play easily proved otherwise. I don’t think baseball players need to be massive at all. But a small muscle can only get so strong, ig you understand what I mean by that. Eventually muscle growth is needed to allow strength gains.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
who has tried his plans and have had good results? those are the only people i would like to post in this thread. if you dont have any good info on his book or have tried it and had sucess please dont post in my thread. if you have tried it and have had no sucess i would also like to hear from you.
Yeah. Let’s get this thread back on track. Will all the people who got huge on CW’s program please join us in this discussion with before and after pics.[/quote]
I can’t help but notice the team of crickets that started chirping after this post went up.
[quote]3hitter wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
Props to your son. How tall is he?
Thanks. He is 5’11"[/quote]
Not to take away from what he’s done but 5’11 at 180 lbs isn’t very big. But for his goals (building some strength/muscle for sports) its seems to be working out. When you’re 5’11 170 any decent program should give you results. I’d love to see examples of people who were at least my size when I started (6’ 190 10-15% bf) who got huge off this program.