What’s the most test you’ve run and for how long?
That is good strength for 22 at your weight. Have you thought of entering a contest? You will need to learn how to get ripped, or you won’t do very well regardless of how much muscle you have.
I ran a 1000 mg weekly for 10 weeks and felt pretty good on it
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I’d love to do a contest that’s my whole goal and dream! Im not educated enough to compete and where I live there’s no coaches that I trust to compete under. I figured over the winter get as big as possible then try and find a coach to cut down and complete
You would have absolutely loved to have been lifting in the 1970’s.
Educated in bodybuilding competition? What is that? Enter one. “On the job training.” and… What is a bodybuilding coach?
Last test only cycle k ram I felt good but didn’t gain to much maybe like 5 pounds of muscle if that that’s why I started experimenting with new stuff
Yeah those were the golden days for sure. Now everyone past rediculous amounts to coach’s
Its not like there are that many options… you use test as a base, and then there are only 2 categories left… tren or deca and eq or primo… so you add one of these to your test or you add one of each category…
you can also cycle orals on and off while blasting… and thats pretty much it.
The bigger the dose the better. You can add GH as much as you can afford. Money or health will be the limiting factors.
I also wouldnt do 12-16 week blasts if they are followed by months of being off… you cant build much if you are not doing shit for half the year.
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I would say with 8 cycles under his belt and only 22 years old, if he isn’t already there, he is well onto the path of running AAS 7+ months of the year. And it isn’t likely that they will be low dosage cycles, if human nature has its way.
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Hard to say. I wasted some 10 years of my life also believing that 500mgs bullshit. Just stayed for cycle after cycle, year after year on 500mgs test and 500mgs smth else, always thinking its my genetics or exercises or food… always bulked, cut down to the same weight i was before etc… the years i have been ON steroids will soon be measurable as “decades” but the years i actually progressed in total are maybe 2-3.
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And I can only wonder “what if” in my case. What if I ran cycles (or blasts) in the grams? Even only 10 more pounds of muscle would have made a significant difference on stage.
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Same. No more progress after the initial couple but not willing to risk upping the ante. Thats why I’m done!
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I still stick to my theory that gear was different back then, so we cant compare actual dosages. By what i have read you say from the experience, you were on grams of gear by todays standards. I took almost twice your regular cycles as my first cycle when i was 17 and nothing too impressive happened even then, so yea.
But definetly if you would have just used MORE you would have gained more. That is a fact no matter what.
Yeah, i basically lost my “golden years” in this field, because from 17-27 i was afraid to take anything more, or i always kinda went by logic “if this huge dude takes a gram, then i need half that to be half his size”. I didnt realize how you basically need to double the dose to gain like extra 20lbs but those 20lbs make a huge difference.
I also believe that is why most guys nowdays also suck. My drug guy sells his stuff in his supplement store so i have seen guys buying steroids, and none of em look like they even train. And that is most likely not because they dont train. Its because they also believe that you can keep progressing on 500mgs.
In reality, i believe that the bigger dosages work almost immediately. Lets say - a gram of gear total, if you train right and eat right and blast it for 6-8 months i think you will max it and its time for 2 grams, and another 6-8 months.
If we look at the progress of most pros, they actually grow fairly minimal. For example, Antoine Vailant - yea, he is getting thicker each year but he had 90% of his size 10 years ago and that is the case of every bodybuilder. The progress is not proportionate to the time. They all had MOST of the size when they started. Which means that you can probably get the max benefit from every dose in like 6 months and then its time to double that.
Sadly i no longer have the money and enthusiasm to push it so far but i trully believe one can gain pro-level size(not speaking of genetics and aesthetics, but just plain meat) in like 2-3 years if gear is pushed up constantly.
I dont think that it is worth even doing same cycle twice.
In fact, last 2 years i wonder why my libido is shit on like 800 test and 700 tren. Some time ago i realised. I did the same dosages when i was below 220lbs shredded as fuck and starving. Now i am up like 30lbs. That same test probably is just for maintenance now, no wonder i dont even get an extra erection of it.
I will test this out. Sadly i bought extra EQ, so i will have to finish a vial and a half of it, and then i will drop it and switch it to just adding same mgs of test and see if that gets me going.
I think gear works according to our bodyweight. If something did something when you were 220lbs, its not likely it will do much when you are 250lbs.
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My opinion is that you didn’t lose anything and quite possibly gained years on your life by “being afraid to take anything more”. Yes you could of maybe have been bigger and stronger, but for what purpose? To chase numbers? Cm on your biceps and waist?
You’re probably right and when a person reaches an unnatural amount of muscle mass for their frame, they have to keep taking a constant high dose of AAS just to maintain. But again, for what purpose would anyone do this? Just to see if they can? For chasing numbers on the bar? For the sake of satisfying one’s vanity?
These are the questions I’m asking myself now that I’m currently on a deca/test bulk. Why the fuck am I doing this? Wouldn’t it be better to just go to the gym and train like a normal person, and not strive to take everything to the extreme?
I think that most would admit that cycling serves no purpose health-wise, unless only on a true TRT dose, without any enhanced capabilities more than the normal person. So I can only conclude that, other then those that actually need steroids to make an income, the rest of us do it out of pure vanity, to satisfy our own egos, and put our OCD to rest. So no, I don’t believe you waisted any years of your life taking smaller doses of AAS unless there was a highly lucrative career waiting for you have you done so.
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Something for the OP to think about that doesn’t seem to get mentioned much anymore. Be sure to keep in mind that with AAS in particular you can increase muscle strength significantly faster than your connective tissue can grow to support your increased strength.
This problem can easily occur in the latter reps, and is not necessarily associated with 1 rep max efforts. I damaged my right bicep tendon on the 10th rep of a DB preacher curls with 60lb DB’s. I finally ruptured 11 days out from the Masters Nationals doing leg presses. Pec and patella tendons also began to pay the toll for heavy weights.
@rusty_hammer I understand you but… 1)from my perspective i could use exact same arguments about everything… Earning more money than you need for eating. Driving a car that is not the most basic generic version. Having kids. Participating in every hoby ever. All of these things do NOTHING besides the fact that the individual likes and wants em. As soon as they die, nothing of it matters.
2)keeping in mind what i said above, i actually make only as much money as i need in everyday life…i don’t want kids, i dont care about my small apartment, or my old car. I buy the cheapest clothes and i just dont care about much things in life. I was on a cruise for a while so inhad extra money i didnt know what to do with and i wanted to make myself happy so i asked - what could i buy to be happy? Thats when i started blasting again because i understood that i dont want anything else in life.
For some it might seem silly but if we could be objective we would all see that having kids or working in a garden, or playing an instrument is no different than doing meth. Its all just people spending their lives on stuff they decided they want. Just cause someone read 1000 books doesnt make him better than a person who spends his life gaming. After they die, its all the same. So at the end if the day blasting gear is exactly the same thing as being a champ in boxing, being a father, or flying a plane. Its all just “stuff” we chose.
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IMO, this thought should be conducted from time to time. Is the reward worth the risk?
For me, my mission was to be my best on stage. I sought that reward and was willing to take the risk, at least to the extent that I did. I never did a cycle where a competition wasn’t the goal.
At the same time, I can see those who just want to get as much muscle as they can, just for the sake of seeing how much muscle they can get. Is that a valid reason? Who knows? And for that matter, is there a valid reason for being successful in bodybuilding competitions (where no income of significance results)? It depends on the individual, I would think.
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I agree with nearly everything you’ve written other than a few equating examples but that’s beside the point. So I stand corrected in that regard.
Without dabbling into metaphysics and “what does it all mean” type of pointless questions, let’s just say that everyone can do what they please and if it’s not harming anyone else, who are we to judge.
There is of course the possibility that you will be missed and mourned by your loved ones and those that depend on you if you do something stupid like take massive doses of steroids until your heart fails, which probably wouldn’t happen if you turned your passion to another hobby or activity like mastering the piano, learning a new language or something equally safe (and boring). So although you take all these activities to your grave when you die and they basically lose all meaning and purpose (since you’re dead), pursuing them while you are still alive can have a different type of impact, at least on other people in your life.
Then again tons of different hobbies and professions can turn out just the same. And statistically any of us would die ina car accident much more likely than by blasting steroids.
The point about the loved ones or ONE in my case is kinda on point, but then again if i wouldnt do what i love, i wouldnt be in my profession also, and i would be a different person mentally also, so she would never even like me. I have mentioned that but i will again - i had autism my whole life and i believe that the only reason i can interact with women and teach classes and the whole reason i actually started fighting is probably because i fried my brain with androgens in my teen years. There is a huge chance that every good thing i ever experienced came from the “side effects” of steroid abuse. So technically if i die 10 years too soon i got 30-40 good ones out of it.
Now when i mentioned it i see how me not being interested in much stuff in life besides 2-3 things i wanna do to the maximum is actually a typical autism sign also, lol.
Keep doing what you’re doing until it stops working
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