Critique My First Cycle: 300mg Test/Wk, 20mg Anavar Daily

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- Week 1-4:

300mg Test P

  • Week 4-15(Maybe extended to 20 depending on Side effects and bloodwork):

adding 20 mg of Anavar daily on top (Pre-workout)

After week 15 I’m thinking of cruising on 75mg of test P and maybe titrate to a 100 depending on sides. I would like to have some insights into how to transition on to HGH eventually so anybody has a take is also well received. I also recently started Finasteride if that’s relevant. (1MG ED)

Some research has indicated I could add Tbol/Primabolin on top but I want to KISS as possible.

Stats: 29 Y.O |5’10| 245LB~113KG|

Bench: 275 LB~125KG

Squat: 475LB ~215KG

Dead: 575 ~260 KG

Diet/Supplementation is pretty much on point based on cronometer, Currently Achieving 95~98 of all my Micro/Macro daily

Bloodwork will be done every month for checkups.

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I’d find out what TT that small of a dose puts you at (you mean weekly, right? not daily). It may not be enough to keep TT high enough to 1) feel good 2) maintain some gainz

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Yes, Weekly. Sorry about not being specific there. Thank you for the remark and I completely agree. Adjustment needs to be done based on bloodwork to see how I respond to the initial dose.
Appreciate the insight my man

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If you are going to cruise (don’t know if you made that decision yet), use a longer ester. I like Test E the best (Test C is a bit longer, but Test E is plenty long, and it usually is the same price but comes usually at 250 mg/mL vs Test C at 200 mg/mL).

I think you should do bloods before hand. Know what your baseline numbers are.

I would run at least 400 mg/wk of Test to make a cycle worth it. 300 mg is not very much IMO. My first cycle was 325 mg/wk, and I was disappointed.

20 mg of Anavar is a little on the low end. I wouldn’t mess with it, I would just do more Test.

I use Finasteride. No side effects for me. I think it is a great idea for those wanting to preserve hair while blasting and cruising. After 2 years of mild blasts and mostly cruising I was seeing a bit less density at the crown (no bald spot, just a bit thinner). I hopped on the Finasteride and I think it was a great decision.

Primo is noted by many to be tough on hair. Tbol I like and I am using it currently. It isn’t super powerful, but I feel like I get a few more reps and a bit of top end strength. I like it better than Anavar, and I was using 50 mg of Anavar, and now I am using 40 mg of Tbol. The Tbol seems a lot better for athletic performance IMO.

Your suggested cruise is pretty low. You will also probably have to pin everyday for that since the dose is low. Switch to longer ester. I would say start your cruise at 150 mg/wk and get bloods to evaluate levels. 150 mg/wk is middle ground in TRT. Some guys need more some less, but adjusting from that spot will be probably easier since you probably will not be far off (high or low) from top of the range.

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What would be the purpose of such low dose of anavar, or anavar at all?

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This isn’t adding up. You weigh 245 at 5’10. My point is if you’re a little on the husky side already I would advise you lean down before cycling to maximize your results. Take it or leave it, up to you.

Test P hurts and for a longer cycle you may as well use Test E or C. Just some friendly advice again.

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Appreciate the advice, my dude. You are 100% Right Im very husky lol. Currently in the process of cutting and I thought I could use the T to speed that process a bit. Thanks for the insight.

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My initial train of thought was lower dose = lower risk of side effects and speed up my cutting goals. Thanks in advance. Appreciate the time

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If you are going to blast and cruise, start off cruising. Lose the weight before blasting. The cruise should help hold the natty gains you have.

You also get a chance to see how you respond to Testosterone with lower dosages. Get blood work on a lower dose. See what happens to your BP, E2 etc…

Blasts should be in a surplus for a majority of people. It is tough to do that if you are already too fat (for many people at least).

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Thanks for the advice. Any recommended dose? The cruising dosages I heard are between 100~150mg
On a separate note, it’s my first post on T-nation, and coming from the red alien forum, over there the culture is “Take 500mg and STFU” glad I did not jump into the hype because if I read correctly 300mg is considered blasting here which is more aligned with the updated research I’ve made. Again thanks for the insight.

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There is a difference between TRT and a cruise in many cases. A cruise can be pretty high depending on the person. Going for TRT dosages is pretty reasonable if your goal is longevity. I personally do a performance TRT dose (meaning I am slightly above the top of the ranges, maybe 15%). For that I’ve used 175 mg/wk. I am thinking of trying out 220 mg/wk after this blast.

If my goal is to remain in range on cruise, I would start at 150 mg/wk. There is a lot of individual differences here though. Some will be at 1500 ng/dL, while others will be at 500 ng/dL. I think 150 is a good starting dose, because it seems that is about average, so making changes from there are likely to be smaller changes.

We have members here that are in normal ranges (top of range, but still in) on 300 mg/wk. We are all different. That is somewhat rare, but I know two guys at about this dosage that are at the top or barely above range.

I will say if you get good levels on 150 mg/wk (like top of range), that you will probably not get much by going to 300 mg/wk. 300 mg/wk will do a lot if going from low T natty to 300 mg/wk, but if you spend 6 months on 150 mg/wk, you might be disappointing. A few of the vets here have mentioned going 3X their cruise dosage for their blasts. The point of a blast is to have much higher values than baseline.

I am not against going slow and learning what you are doing though.

On my first blast I did 325 mg/wk. It didn’t do a ton for me. My second blast I started at 400 stayed there awhile, then did the second half at 600-650 mg/wk.

Consider what your real goals are. You have decent strength. There is probably a good amount of muscle under the fat. I bet you would have a great physique by just losing the fat (get to 12-15%). When I started TRT, my total was about where your total is. My blasting and cruising hasn’t made me a lot stronger. TBH, physique wise the best progress I’ve made was cruising because I lost a lot of fat. When I started TRT, I could do like 460, 335, 515, just TRT got me to 505, 350 and 550 in about 6 months. Blasting has gotten me to a 390 bench and 600 lb deadlift, and I don’t squat much anymore. But I probably would have made some progress if I never did blasts.

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This is a vicious circle as lower dose = lower risk = less or NO benefit which leads to higher dose for more benefits = higher risk, haha.
Anavar at 25mg might only give you an extra pump in the gym but its still a steroid, so technically you might do more harm than good, imo. The benefit of 25mg would be so little, i dont think its worth. But thats just me.

And this shows that you lack knowledge about the stuff you want to take.
There are no steroids that do anything to fat cells.
All ANABOLIC steroids are…yea…ANABOLIC. Meaning - they help to grow and repair tissue.
Anavar was made for burn victims, because it repairs broken/burned tissue but it also has an interesting effect on skin - it does make it much thicker and stronger. When i pin slin or gh SUBQ it goes in super easy. If i take anavar, every time i stick the slin needle in my skin, it first stops, then i apply more force and then it goes like “click” pops the skin and goes in.
Because it has this effect on skin, IF you are super lean already, it will create an illusion of you looking more lean. It doesnt do shit to fat or water, it just makes your skin look better on your already shredded body. If you have an ounce of fat under it, it wont do shit.
As far as cutting - no steroids help with that. Unless you have some of the few medical conditions that cancel this, its calories in vs calories out. No way around it. You will lose fat at the same rate no matter what you take.

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So slightly different opinion from me…

Anavar is my favourite oral and i have a great response to it, everyone is different
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Ive taken it at 50 and 100mg a day, i think its very under rated, 50mg on top of my test cycle helped me push past personal bests with nice defined muscle

This whole cutting/bulking steroid

Anavar wont make you hold water and blow you up like say dbol so if you are cutting… in my opinion anavar will help you hold your gains and cut weight at the same time

It won’t make you lose fat but it will help you retain muscle while in a calories deficit and you are training hard

I personally think 25mg is too low and better off with 50 split twice per day

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I think the ultra low dose stuff is coming from a few YouTubers. It’s mostly to make their genetics seem better, or they are connected to a trt clinic, some maybe do have excellent genetics.

I’ve seen it recently a lot. While I can appreciate guidance on lower dosages, it seems like lately there have been a lot of recommendations for cycles that I don’t think will work very well.

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If you are cutting you are in a caloric deficit. In a caloric deficit, dbol wont “blow you up” with water also, by the way.
It might not enhance your specific dry look before a competition, but steroids enhance what you do. If you dont eat garbage to hold water, its very hard for steroids to hold water anyways. It would mostly be intramuscular water which combined with a lean physique IMO actually even looks better than that roadkill dickskin look.
Same with e2. People say e2 holds water and makes you bloat. I was at my very leanest with 300 e2 with on grams of sust(which also is supposed to hold water) with no AI. I have spamed my pictures all around here so i believe no one can say that i dont know how to be lean.

Not that it changes what you said. I just wanted to add this because i dont like how people think that some drugs bloat you up and some dont. Its mostly the fact that when you take dbol you also eat a whole pig with a side of chips and ice cream at night, and when on anavar people mostly eat a fucking carrot and a protein shake. Swap the diet and you might get super interesting results. Actually being lean and adding these “wet” compounds might enhance your look in a much cooler way than the regular way of thinking.
Some years ago i really enjoyed cutting on dbol.

True, but… absolutely ANY steroid will do that… absolutely any.
If 300mgs of test wont hold his muscle, 25-50 of var wont also.

Internet trends with everything. Imma do a rant cuz this is the topic that hurts me and that leads me to spamming like crazy. Since i have a degree in politics, i can write a book in an hour, hah.
When i was 15, it was all about bodybuilding, body part splits, eating 10 times a day, chicken and rice and lying about steroid use - claiming natural or just not mentioning the fact.
Some 7-10 years later the diet fads changed, turns out we can eat 2-4 times and be just as good off. Strenght training started to become popular. Also people started to admit steroid use. Bostin did his crazy video revealing dosages, many people jumped on this train - it was all about who takes more. Piana also boosted this way of thinking with his Bigger By The Day series just blasting 5 grams of gear on camera. All the surgically improved asses started to appear alot. I remember when i was younger i was in love with Larissa Reis. She was in her prime at that time. Her ass seemed to be perfect and she was an Olympia top 10 competitor. Now when you compare some old pics of her to any regular instawhore, she looks like she doesnt even have an ass. Just regular onlyfans sluts have bigger ass and smaller waist than she did.
Then the veganism and all the weird diets started to show up, athletics and crossfit were the main focus and now we have this “im on trt” and/or “low dose” stuff.

I do believe that “we” as a subculture are in a better spot right now, as strenght training or at least crossfit is being pushed more.
In my country we have this nordic gym chain that has like 13 gyms in one city(the largest city has like 700k people in it, so its a lot for us, we have 1,5m people in whole country). Those who were opened like 10 years ago are regular gyms but those who have opened in last 3-4 years are way different in a set up. The last 3 ones that opened have at least HALF of the gymspace dedicated to crossfit. All these fan bikes, prowlers to push, even bumper plates and a bit different racks(more crossfity) are put in the middle of the gym. All the regular strenght stuff is mushed in a corner somewhere.
The older gyms had like 10m prowler pushing space and maybe a pullup bar with some slam balls. Now half the gym is that stuff. Since that is a large european chain i believe this shows a lot about the tendency.
You also see more teenage boys actually deadlifting(with a horrible technique but i guess we all start somewhere) instead of curling for hours.
When i was 20, it was believed that bench is a shit exercise for chest - some Olympian said that i believe, like Dexter or some other fucktard. Deadlift was believed to only build a wide waist. And Squats were “bad for your knees”.

I do like that nowdays even if a person is shit at fitness he at least gets bombarded with squats and deadlifts. I believe it is more beneficial than just curling and doing cable flies. I wasted 10 years of my life doing this shit. If only id had done 531 since i started, i would be twice the size and strenght now. Instead i am having all these grey hairs pop up and i still deadlift less than some good 20 year olds.

Same with drugs. I guess i like the fact that people get more open about it and i guess its better to lie that they take small dosages.
What i dont like is the fact that drug part is so in your face now that i actually know lots of people who look for their first training plan, personal trainer, protein powder and a first cycle BEFORE they actually entered the gym.
But i still believe it is better mentally than to live like i did. When i started to train, no one mentioned genetics, no one mentioned drugs. It was all the “you must work really hard” and fuuuuuck - i did.
I demolished every body part on my split routine. I tried to do it strict, i tried to do it like Branch Warren, i did it all. I ate all my chicken, i vomited my rice up, i drank all the shakes and creatine and 3 years later, an athletic basketball dude in my school was still in better shape than i was, and i believe i got seriously fucked in the head because if that.
I believe that since i had a touch of an autism to begin with, it really demolished my self worth, which led me to blasting tren, and fucking a different girl every day just to prove something to myself, which led me to lose a lot of potentially good relationships and also fuck up the one really important relationship which i still have uncontrollable nightmares about even after so many years have passed.

It is super unhealthy for a young and fragile mind to be taught that “just work harder” and him failing after he seemingly has done 120%.
I never had friends or went to parties, because i had to eat chicken 10 times a day, lol, because i was going to be next Jay Cutler.

At least nowdays kids might be wrong thinking that its all about the steroids but they dont blame themselves which is a bit better for their head. Its better to think that your cycle sucked, instead of not understanding what else can you do, when you are doing it all for years and years and still suck at it.

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