Helen Thomas = Bigot

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Oh, where to begin.

  1. International Rights Watch Groups — correctly called George Soros groups, as he is the funding behind basically all of them. Soros, btw, was a Kapo in WWII. He is Jewish. He made his money collaborating with Nazis and stealing Jewish property. He hates himself and hates Israel by extension. Ever notice the Soros groups like Amnesty International never talk about all the Christians killed in Muslim countries? Or how all the muslims countries gathered up their Jewish populations and shoved them to their borders? Even now? They are agenda-driven garbage.
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Um, all of them are? Okay.

???

You are not providing a counter argument.

There plenty of independent news sources that have no political axe to grind. You can’t cry foul every time one portrays Israel negatively.

The American media portrays Israel as victim while they kill Palestinians with American funded/designed technology.

There is plenty of bullshit from both sides.

Considering your background, I don’t expect you to be unbiased. No big deal.

Yes, to fight a military that is armed to the teeth by a country on the other side of planet.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Oh, where to begin.

  1. International Rights Watch Groups — correctly called George Soros groups, as he is the funding behind basically all of them. Soros, btw, was a Kapo in WWII. He is Jewish. He made his money collaborating with Nazis and stealing Jewish property. He hates himself and hates Israel by extension. Ever notice the Soros groups like Amnesty International never talk about all the Christians killed in Muslim countries? Or how all the muslims countries gathered up their Jewish populations and shoved them to their borders? Even now? They are agenda-driven garbage.
    [/quote]

Um, all of them are? Okay.

???

You are not providing a counter argument.

There plenty of independent news sources that have no political axe to grind. You can’t cry foul every time one portrays Israel negatively.

The American media portrays Israel as victim while they kill Palestinians with American funded/designed technology.

There is plenty of bullshit from both sides.

Considering your background, I don’t expect you to be unbiased. No big deal.

Yes, to fight a military that is armed to the teeth by a country on the other side of planet.

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No biases there, right?

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

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This seems very insightful , do you live in Israel?[/quote]

I am both an Israeli and United States citizen. I am currently in the USA, but I travel about 1/2 the year.

It is candidly shocking to me how bad the media is in the USA and EU. It’s like the last 70 years didn’t happen. Or yesterday. They have a template and fit every story into it.

I am very impressed how USA citizens still instinctually know the truth, despite the garbage CNN and MSNBC spew.

As, an aside ---- you know the “aid” ship going to arab-occupied Gaza? Empty.

Or the “humanitarian disaster in Gaza” – well, catch the disaster from your luxury hotel on the beach. Go to Wal-Mart for sunscreen (seriously).

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137965[/quote]

I could not argue because I do not know , the stories on the other side say there is disentary because no pipes are allowed in and the sewage is mixing with the drinking water. There is food but not enough people are getting 1 meal a day average .The elctricity is only on a few hours a day . Infrastrutire is in need of repair, but no building material is allowed

There has to be an objective look at the problem. They say when they follow the rules and take the aid to israel the aid never makes it to Gaza. Hard to believe that Israel is telling the truth and the rest of the world is lying[/quote]

It is not the rest of the world. It is the Israeli word verses the Arab world. Have the Arabs been known to lie in the past? I would say yes. It is even a religious code, Islam, that it is ok to lie to the infidels.

How do we know that the Arab world is only sending enough aid to feed the really wealthy? Yassar Araft stole from the Palestinians all the time. When he died they said he was worth $600 Million. You think he got that from hard work?[/quote]

I think the enemy should be Hamas , not the rest of the Arab world.Kinda like the charlie Brown syndrome .

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I have no beef with any arab who is not trying to kill me. As stated, 20% of the Israeli population is arab. They live in peace, full citizens, same as everyone else. Served in the IDF with arabs in Gaza, in fact — talk about people who hate the Gazan arabs.

Look, there would be no need “to fight a military that is armed to the teeth by a country on the other side of planet” if they didn’t want us dead.

Israel has sought an arab state since 1947 — the answer was “death to the Joooos!” and the attacks have come from basically the entire arab world (to varying degrees) since that time.

It’s a one-sided war.

If we put down our weapons, we die.

If they put down their weapons, peace.

That’s all the is to it.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin, you’re swimming upstream on the river of Truth on this issue and you’re not even an instinctively stalwart salmon. You’re a clueless suckerfish who belongs in a brackish tidal basin.[/quote]

To churn the metaphor, it is not the same river which one can enter twice.

Is it not curious that Dustin dismisses Jewbacca’s comments as biased, simply because of his origin in Israel?
Yet Jewbacca offers a list of historical events, each of which is confirmable, refutable or subject to qualification. But Dustin does not–and likely, can not–offer any modification or rebuttal. The plaint Dustin gives us–“it is all propaganda, all bullshit, and I can find an opposing opinion”–is the weakest of all.
Why? Because an opinion worthy of respect has to be based on the exercise of judgment; all “facts” are not equally true and all claims are not equally valid.

An empty mind is not a substitute for an open one. An opinion follows thought; a prejudice precludes it.

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This is the “Grand Mufti.” For those that don’t know, this was Yasser Arafat’s adoptive uncle and the man who raised Yasser. The creature to the right needs no introduction.

The Grand Mufti started the arab Nazi party, which spun off into several political groups, most notably the PLO (it’s direct successor), and now Hamas and Fatah, but also groups like the Ba’ath Party in Iraq (Saddam Hussein) and which is also currently in control of Syria.

The plan was very clear in the 1930s for these arabs (whom, while semetic – literally descendants of “Shem” like Jewish people — the Nazis got along great) to kill the then-growing Jewish population in what was then British Palestine.

This is not a case of “Jooos stole my land” any more than Poland stole the Sudentenland from Germany.

It’s basic racial annillation 101. People didn’t want to believe it in 1930, either.

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This is the Grand Mufti in 1943 reviewing the SS Muslim Troops imported from Bosnia to form the backbone of the extermination squads against the Jewish population.

Again, note this was before “Jooos stole my land” or a shot was fired by Israel — which didn’t exist until May 14, 1948.

I just ask people to free their minds of the crap the media and Soros groups like Amnesty International spew, and get some basic facts.

The Hamas groups and Fatah groups are evil.

They are the literal political and theological descendants of Nazis.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin, you’re swimming upstream on the river of Truth on this issue and you’re not even an instinctively stalwart salmon. You’re a clueless suckerfish who belongs in a brackish tidal basin.[/quote]

I never argued the historical record he presented (a post he made earlier in this thread).

I’ve been consistent on this issue. I do not want money taken from me and other Americans, that is intern given to the Israeli government to kill its neighbors. If the Israelis and Palestinians/Arabs want to kill each other, go for it. I have no moral obligation to either side. I just don’t want my tax dollars supporting a foreign military.

And as for the media coverage that I mentioned earlier to Jewbacca, it’s pointless to argue it. I’m not going to change his mind. More importantly, it doesn’t matter.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
This is the Grand Mufti in 1943 reviewing the SS Muslim Troops imported from Bosnia to form the backbone of the extermination squads against the Jewish population.

Again, note this was before “Jooos stole my land” or a shot was fired by Israel — which didn’t exist until May 14, 1948.

I just ask people to free their minds of the crap the media and Soros groups like Amnesty International spew, and get some basic facts.

The Hamas groups and Fatah groups are evil.

They are the literal political and theological descendants of Nazis.[/quote]

Jewbacca…do you have any insight into the large numbers of Jewish Americans who voted for Obama, and are they seing what is now happening? Have the people you know changed their view since this major shift away from supporting Isreal?

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Is it not curious that Dustin dismisses Jewbacca’s comments as biased, simply because of his origin in Israel?
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???

He claimed any reporting of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that doesn’t portray Israel in a particular light is propaganda. I disagreed.

He has an emotional connection to this whole issue, so I would think it would be difficult to be objective.

You must have me confused with someone else. See my response to Push, I said nothing about the historical record. I only commented on the treatment of Palestinians.

You are miss quoting me. I made the comment that there are plenty of unbiased news sources that report differently than what Jewbacca claimed. There is accurate reporting on the conflict, some of it is BS, some of it isn’t. My argument isn’t anymore weaker than his claim of propaganda.

And as an example, there has been a good amount of propaganda thrown around from both sides regarding the flotilla incident.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

Jewbacca…do you have any insight into the large numbers of Jewish Americans who voted for Obama, and are they seing what is now happening? Have the people you know changed their view since this major shift away from supporting Isreal?[/quote]

I really don’t.

In Israel, Obama is hated wildly. 82% of ex-pats or dual citizens voted for McCain/Palin, for example. They just did a poll, and he remains extremely unpopular.

Regarding American Jewish people (voted 78% for Obama), I think it largely comes down to 80% of Jewish people in the USA are urban, secular, and based in the North East, and urban, secular, Yankees voted for Obama.

Basic geography explains most of it.

I recently saw where Obama pulled something like 88% of the NYC metropolitan area vote.
Jewish voters were just slightly less likely to vote for Obama than their non-Jewish counterpars.

Orthodox Jewish voters in the USA are the complete opposite — in the 80% for Republicans, and many were in the Tea Party. I went to one event, expecting to be the lone Jewish guy, and was pleasantly suprised to find about 100 Haredi Jewish guys in the full wool outfits in the hot Sun. (We talked about how to conceal GLOCKS.)

The more religious a Jewish person is, the more he or she identifies with Israel, and the more Obama is despised.

Secular Jewish people are kinda embarrassed by Israel, I think. It’s just not a pressing issue to them.

Historically, I would also note that lots of American Jewish people came from Russia, due to pogroms by the Czars.

They had fled (in Russia) to the communist party, which promised equality and no pogroms. (Too bad Stalin killed more Jewish people than Hitler, huh?).

They took this communist idea with them to the USA.

So, in short, I think it is: geography, secularism, and a little bit of history.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

You are miss quoting me. I made the comment that there are plenty of unbiased news sources that report differently than what Jewbacca claimed…

[/quote]Cite them.
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There are more online sites that I count that will provide with you information.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Just as lame as your previous posts on this subject.
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So you do like your tax dollars going to a foreign government. You are such a libertarian!

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It’s what I thought. You can’t cite them. You made it up.[/quote]

I just did a google search with web pages full sites you can check.

So not only are you a “libertarian” that likes to fund foreign militaries with his hard earned dollars, you also like your information spoon fed to you.

Awesome.

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Push.

Yipee! This fun!

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

You are miss quoting me. I made the comment that there are plenty of unbiased news sources that report differently than what Jewbacca claimed…

[/quote]Cite them.
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There are more online sites that I count that will provide with you information.

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I followed your link and found lots of sites agreeing with Jewbacca - so, you’re saying you’re in agreement with his perspective as well?

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I did your work for you Push. The first link is from a libertarian perspective. The other three are more leftist (but non-statist). So you get a variety of reading material.

http://search.mises.org/search?q=Israeli-palestinian conflict&site=default_collection

http://www.counterpunch.org/links.html