Helen Thomas = Bigot

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It seems that the majority of posters here see any criticism of Israel as being anti semetic . Kind of reminds me of the people that say some else is playing the race card . I hve to say if Ms.Thomas is not in fact correct , she is at least entitled to her opinion .

The Right , meanning Beck and Limpdick are always saying off color comments and this board is always saying that the left is being politically correct. I think the right is being politicaly correct[/quote]

She said Jews need to “go home”. She singled out a race. Then she used factually wrong propaganda to incite hate against them blaming them for the middle east’s problems. I don’t like beck or rush, but they have done nothing of the sort.[/quote]

I thought Jewish was a religeon, I would think the race of Palistine would be the same as the Jew , probably Arab[/quote]

It’s both an ethnicity and a religion. In context, it was obvious she was talking about bloodlines, not including converts. When discussing who was there first and what people have a right to be there, jewish religion doesn’t make sense. I doubt she was arguing about what religious beliefs have a right to the area.

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Helen Thomas is not an objective journalist. She has said ALOT of whacked out shit over the last 40 years she has been a White House journalist. She should have been fired years ago, but I find it interesting that these are the comments that cost her, her job.

Let’s be realistic here, in terms of the most volatile regions in the world, Israel and the Middle East takes the top spot. And why is that? Because of the tensions between Israel and the rest of the countries in the Middle East. The jews hate the muslims and vice versa.

We all know that short of a miracle, the situation over there is not going to end well. Those two groups are never going to accept each other. And let’s not point fingers and say one side is more righteous or just than the other. That is just the way it is.

So here is the rub. What to do? Option #1, the best option, is both sides learn to accept each other, make concessions and try to live in peace as best as possible. Not going to happen with the U.S. continuing to stick it’s nose in Middle East affairs.

Option #2, the worst, continue to pour massive U.S. support for Israel in the region in terms of military and financial, continue to take sides, make it even more unstable,wage more proxy wars in the Middle East, have no peace settlement, and make no concessions on either side. In other words continue on the path we have been traveling down. This WILL lead to an eventual world war and the destruction of the entire region. Everybody Loses.

Option #3, one group leaves and leaves the other side to their own devices.

There is no easy way to go about this. But nobody with half a brain could possibly say that creating Israel has led to a more stable world. And isn’t that what everybody wants?

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[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Helen Thomas is not an objective journalist. She has said ALOT of whacked out shit over the last 40 years she has been a White House journalist. She should have been fired years ago, but I find it interesting that these are the comments that cost her, her job.

Let’s be realistic here, in terms of the most volatile regions in the world, Israel and the Middle East takes the top spot. And why is that? Because of the tensions between Israel and the rest of the countries in the Middle East. The jews hate the muslims and vice versa.

We all know that short of a miracle, the situation over there is not going to end well. Those two groups are never going to accept each other. And let’s not point fingers and say one side is more righteous or just than the other. That is just the way it is.

So here is the rub. What to do? Option #1, the best option, is both sides learn to accept each other, make concessions and try to live in peace as best as possible. Not going to happen with the U.S. continuing to stick it’s nose in Middle East affairs.

Option #2, the worst, continue to pour massive U.S. support for Israel in the region in terms of military and financial, continue to take sides, make it even more unstable,wage more proxy wars in the Middle East, have no peace settlement, and make no concessions on either side. In other words continue on the path we have been traveling down. This WILL lead to an eventual world war and the destruction of the entire region. Everybody Loses.

Option #3, one group leaves and leaves the other side to their own devices.

There is no easy way to go about this. But nobody with half a brain could possibly say that creating Israel has led to a more stable world. And isn’t that what everybody wants?[/quote]

Simply nuking the entire region would create a more stable world. There is right and wrong outside of easy and beneficial.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Helen Thomas is not an objective journalist. She has said ALOT of whacked out shit over the last 40 years she has been a White House journalist. She should have been fired years ago, but I find it interesting that these are the comments that cost her, her job.

Let’s be realistic here, in terms of the most volatile regions in the world, Israel and the Middle East takes the top spot. And why is that? Because of the tensions between Israel and the rest of the countries in the Middle East. The jews hate the muslims and vice versa.

We all know that short of a miracle, the situation over there is not going to end well. Those two groups are never going to accept each other. And let’s not point fingers and say one side is more righteous or just than the other. That is just the way it is.

So here is the rub. What to do? Option #1, the best option, is both sides learn to accept each other, make concessions and try to live in peace as best as possible. Not going to happen with the U.S. continuing to stick it’s nose in Middle East affairs.

Option #2, the worst, continue to pour massive U.S. support for Israel in the region in terms of military and financial, continue to take sides, make it even more unstable,wage more proxy wars in the Middle East, have no peace settlement, and make no concessions on either side. In other words continue on the path we have been traveling down. This WILL lead to an eventual world war and the destruction of the entire region. Everybody Loses.

Option #3, one group leaves and leaves the other side to their own devices.

There is no easy way to go about this. But nobody with half a brain could possibly say that creating Israel has led to a more stable world. And isn’t that what everybody wants?[/quote]

Simply nuking the entire region would create a more stable world. There is right and wrong outside of easy and beneficial. [/quote]

So what would be the right approach? What we have been doing isn’t working.

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[quote]valiant knight wrote:
Where is freedom of speech?[/quote]

Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from the consequences of what you say. The dumb bitch ain’t going to jail, but people have a right to shun her and criticize her for what she said…I use the word “her” very loosely. I know she’s old, but that’s major ugly right there.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Helen Thomas is not an objective journalist. She has said ALOT of whacked out shit over the last 40 years she has been a White House journalist. She should have been fired years ago, but I find it interesting that these are the comments that cost her, her job.

Let’s be realistic here, in terms of the most volatile regions in the world, Israel and the Middle East takes the top spot. And why is that? Because of the tensions between Israel and the rest of the countries in the Middle East. The jews hate the muslims and vice versa.

We all know that short of a miracle, the situation over there is not going to end well. Those two groups are never going to accept each other. And let’s not point fingers and say one side is more righteous or just than the other. That is just the way it is.

So here is the rub. What to do? Option #1, the best option, is both sides learn to accept each other, make concessions and try to live in peace as best as possible. Not going to happen with the U.S. continuing to stick it’s nose in Middle East affairs.

Option #2, the worst, continue to pour massive U.S. support for Israel in the region in terms of military and financial, continue to take sides, make it even more unstable,wage more proxy wars in the Middle East, have no peace settlement, and make no concessions on either side. In other words continue on the path we have been traveling down. This WILL lead to an eventual world war and the destruction of the entire region. Everybody Loses.

Option #3, one group leaves and leaves the other side to their own devices.

There is no easy way to go about this. But nobody with half a brain could possibly say that creating Israel has led to a more stable world. And isn’t that what everybody wants?[/quote]

Simply nuking the entire region would create a more stable world. There is right and wrong outside of easy and beneficial. [/quote]

Where would we get our oil?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Helen Thomas is not an objective journalist. She has said ALOT of whacked out shit over the last 40 years she has been a White House journalist. She should have been fired years ago, but I find it interesting that these are the comments that cost her, her job.

Let’s be realistic here, in terms of the most volatile regions in the world, Israel and the Middle East takes the top spot. And why is that? Because of the tensions between Israel and the rest of the countries in the Middle East. The jews hate the muslims and vice versa.

We all know that short of a miracle, the situation over there is not going to end well. Those two groups are never going to accept each other. And let’s not point fingers and say one side is more righteous or just than the other. That is just the way it is.

So here is the rub. What to do? Option #1, the best option, is both sides learn to accept each other, make concessions and try to live in peace as best as possible. Not going to happen with the U.S. continuing to stick it’s nose in Middle East affairs.

Option #2, the worst, continue to pour massive U.S. support for Israel in the region in terms of military and financial, continue to take sides, make it even more unstable,wage more proxy wars in the Middle East, have no peace settlement, and make no concessions on either side. In other words continue on the path we have been traveling down. This WILL lead to an eventual world war and the destruction of the entire region. Everybody Loses.

Option #3, one group leaves and leaves the other side to their own devices.

There is no easy way to go about this. But nobody with half a brain could possibly say that creating Israel has led to a more stable world. And isn’t that what everybody wants?[/quote]

Simply nuking the entire region would create a more stable world. There is right and wrong outside of easy and beneficial. [/quote]

Where would we get our oil?[/quote]

Right here in the US of A for a change.

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  1. Jerusalem has been majorty Jewish from the time of the Romans, the Crusades, the mohmmedons, and the Ottoman Empire. Never left.

  2. More Jewish people came to Israel in the mid-1800s, largely from Russia, because we were getting killed. The land picked (Tel Aviv) was empty desert. No one was displaced. This area prospered and the settlers INVITED Syrian, Jordian, and Eqyptian arabs to come work. They worked and stayed. The descendants of these immigrants are about half what most people call “palestinians.” They’re just arabs, and not native.

  3. Hostilities started in 1947, when Jordan, a Hashemite kingdom invaded East Jerusalem (which was mixed ethnic) to kill the Jews. Jordan had been armed and trained with SS units by none other than Adolf Hitler.

  4. The Hashemite Jordanians killed all the Jews in what is now called “Arab East Jerusalem” and then kicked all the lower-class arabs out of their country with promises of free formerly-Jewish houses.

  5. In 1967, we took East Jerusalem back when all the arabs invaded and we kicked their asses. Unlike the Jordanians, we let the residents keep their houses and did not try to committ genocide.

  6. The borders are legal per the Balfour declaration about 100 year ago.

  7. We’d be happy for the arabs to have their own state. Kindly just don’t attack us from it. If they can get over trying to kill us, we’ll be happy to leave them alone.

If the arabs put down their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace.

If we put down our weapons, their would be slaughter.

It’s a one-sided thing, and the moral equivalency the media tries to sell is pathetic.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

  1. Jerusalem has been majorty Jewish from the time of the Romans, the Crusades, the mohmmedons, and the Ottoman Empire. Never left.

  2. More Jewish people came to Israel in the mid-1800s, largely from Russia, because we were getting killed. The land picked (Tel Aviv) was empty desert. No one was displaced. This area prospered and the settlers INVITED Syrian, Jordian, and Eqyptian arabs to come work. They worked and stayed. The descendants of these immigrants are about half what most people call “palestinians.” They’re just arabs, and not native.

  3. Hostilities started in 1947, when Jordan, a Hashemite kingdom invaded East Jerusalem (which was mixed ethnic) to kill the Jews. Jordan had been armed and trained with SS units by none other than Adolf Hitler.

  4. The Hashemite Jordanians killed all the Jews in what is now called “Arab East Jerusalem” and then kicked all the lower-class arabs out of their country with promises of free formerly-Jewish houses.

  5. In 1967, we took East Jerusalem back when all the arabs invaded and we kicked their asses. Unlike the Jordanians, we let the residents keep their houses and did not try to committ genocide.

  6. The borders are legal per the Balfour declaration about 100 year ago.

  7. We’d be happy for the arabs to have their own state. Kindly just don’t attack us from it. If they can get over trying to kill us, we’ll be happy to leave them alone.

If the arabs put down their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace.

If we put down our weapons, their would be slaughter.

It’s a one-sided thing, and the moral equivalency the media tries to sell is pathetic.[/quote]

FTW!

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

  1. Jerusalem has been majorty Jewish from the time of the Romans, the Crusades, the mohmmedons, and the Ottoman Empire. Never left.

  2. More Jewish people came to Israel in the mid-1800s, largely from Russia, because we were getting killed. The land picked (Tel Aviv) was empty desert. No one was displaced. This area prospered and the settlers INVITED Syrian, Jordian, and Eqyptian arabs to come work. They worked and stayed. The descendants of these immigrants are about half what most people call “palestinians.” They’re just arabs, and not native.

  3. Hostilities started in 1947, when Jordan, a Hashemite kingdom invaded East Jerusalem (which was mixed ethnic) to kill the Jews. Jordan had been armed and trained with SS units by none other than Adolf Hitler.

  4. The Hashemite Jordanians killed all the Jews in what is now called “Arab East Jerusalem” and then kicked all the lower-class arabs out of their country with promises of free formerly-Jewish houses.

  5. In 1967, we took East Jerusalem back when all the arabs invaded and we kicked their asses. Unlike the Jordanians, we let the residents keep their houses and did not try to committ genocide.

  6. The borders are legal per the Balfour declaration about 100 year ago.

  7. We’d be happy for the arabs to have their own state. Kindly just don’t attack us from it. If they can get over trying to kill us, we’ll be happy to leave them alone.

If the arabs put down their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace.

If we put down our weapons, their would be slaughter.

It’s a one-sided thing, and the moral equivalency the media tries to sell is pathetic.[/quote]

this seems very insightful , do you live in Israel?

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Poetic justice - Fox News gets Helen’s seat . . . even CNN likes the idea

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2010/06/09/fox-news-could-get-helen-thomass-old-seat

Hate mail for the rabbi who filmed her comments . . .

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/06/10/rabbi-filmed-helen-thomass-anti-semitism-gets-25-000-hate-emails

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[quote]

This seems very insightful , do you live in Israel?[/quote]

I am both an Israeli and United States citizen. I am currently in the USA, but I travel about 1/2 the year.

It is candidly shocking to me how bad the media is in the USA and EU. It’s like the last 70 years didn’t happen. Or yesterday. They have a template and fit every story into it.

I am very impressed how USA citizens still instinctually know the truth, despite the garbage CNN and MSNBC spew.

As, an aside ---- you know the “aid” ship going to arab-occupied Gaza? Empty.

Or the “humanitarian disaster in Gaza” – well, catch the disaster from your luxury hotel on the beach. Go to Wal-Mart for sunscreen (seriously).

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

  1. Jerusalem has been majorty Jewish from the time of the Romans, the Crusades, the mohmmedons, and the Ottoman Empire. Never left.

  2. More Jewish people came to Israel in the mid-1800s, largely from Russia, because we were getting killed. The land picked (Tel Aviv) was empty desert. No one was displaced. This area prospered and the settlers INVITED Syrian, Jordian, and Eqyptian arabs to come work. They worked and stayed. The descendants of these immigrants are about half what most people call “palestinians.” They’re just arabs, and not native.

  3. Hostilities started in 1947, when Jordan, a Hashemite kingdom invaded East Jerusalem (which was mixed ethnic) to kill the Jews. Jordan had been armed and trained with SS units by none other than Adolf Hitler.

  4. The Hashemite Jordanians killed all the Jews in what is now called “Arab East Jerusalem” and then kicked all the lower-class arabs out of their country with promises of free formerly-Jewish houses.

  5. In 1967, we took East Jerusalem back when all the arabs invaded and we kicked their asses. Unlike the Jordanians, we let the residents keep their houses and did not try to committ genocide.

  6. The borders are legal per the Balfour declaration about 100 year ago.

  7. We’d be happy for the arabs to have their own state. Kindly just don’t attack us from it. If they can get over trying to kill us, we’ll be happy to leave them alone.

If the arabs put down their weapons tomorrow, there would be peace.

If we put down our weapons, their would be slaughter.

It’s a one-sided thing, and the moral equivalency the media tries to sell is pathetic.[/quote]

Eggzactly!

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]

This seems very insightful , do you live in Israel?[/quote]

I am both an Israeli and United States citizen. I am currently in the USA, but I travel about 1/2 the year.

It is candidly shocking to me how bad the media is in the USA and EU. It’s like the last 70 years didn’t happen. Or yesterday. They have a template and fit every story into it.

I am very impressed how USA citizens still instinctually know the truth, despite the garbage CNN and MSNBC spew.

As, an aside ---- you know the “aid” ship going to arab-occupied Gaza? Empty.

Or the “humanitarian disaster in Gaza” – well, catch the disaster from your luxury hotel on the beach. Go to Wal-Mart for sunscreen (seriously).

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137965[/quote]

I could not argue because I do not know , the stories on the other side say there is disentary because no pipes are allowed in and the sewage is mixing with the drinking water. There is food but not enough people are getting 1 meal a day average .The elctricity is only on a few hours a day . Infrastrutire is in need of repair, but no building material is allowed

There has to be an objective look at the problem. They say when they follow the rules and take the aid to israel the aid never makes it to Gaza. Hard to believe that Israel is telling the truth and the rest of the world is lying

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]

This seems very insightful , do you live in Israel?[/quote]

I am both an Israeli and United States citizen. I am currently in the USA, but I travel about 1/2 the year.

It is candidly shocking to me how bad the media is in the USA and EU. It’s like the last 70 years didn’t happen. Or yesterday. They have a template and fit every story into it.

I am very impressed how USA citizens still instinctually know the truth, despite the garbage CNN and MSNBC spew.

As, an aside ---- you know the “aid” ship going to arab-occupied Gaza? Empty.

Or the “humanitarian disaster in Gaza” – well, catch the disaster from your luxury hotel on the beach. Go to Wal-Mart for sunscreen (seriously).

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137965[/quote]

I could not argue because I do not know , the stories on the other side say there is disentary because no pipes are allowed in and the sewage is mixing with the drinking water. There is food but not enough people are getting 1 meal a day average .The elctricity is only on a few hours a day . Infrastrutire is in need of repair, but no building material is allowed

There has to be an objective look at the problem. They say when they follow the rules and take the aid to israel the aid never makes it to Gaza. Hard to believe that Israel is telling the truth and the rest of the world is lying[/quote]

It is not the rest of the world. It is the Israeli word verses the Arab world. Have the Arabs been known to lie in the past? I would say yes. It is even a religious code, Islam, that it is ok to lie to the infidels.

How do we know that the Arab world is only sending enough aid to feed the really wealthy? Yassar Araft stole from the Palestinians all the time. When he died they said he was worth $600 Million. You think he got that from hard work?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]

This seems very insightful , do you live in Israel?[/quote]

I am both an Israeli and United States citizen. I am currently in the USA, but I travel about 1/2 the year.

It is candidly shocking to me how bad the media is in the USA and EU. It’s like the last 70 years didn’t happen. Or yesterday. They have a template and fit every story into it.

I am very impressed how USA citizens still instinctually know the truth, despite the garbage CNN and MSNBC spew.

As, an aside ---- you know the “aid” ship going to arab-occupied Gaza? Empty.

Or the “humanitarian disaster in Gaza” – well, catch the disaster from your luxury hotel on the beach. Go to Wal-Mart for sunscreen (seriously).

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137965[/quote]

I could not argue because I do not know , the stories on the other side say there is disentary because no pipes are allowed in and the sewage is mixing with the drinking water. There is food but not enough people are getting 1 meal a day average .The elctricity is only on a few hours a day . Infrastrutire is in need of repair, but no building material is allowed

There has to be an objective look at the problem. They say when they follow the rules and take the aid to israel the aid never makes it to Gaza. Hard to believe that Israel is telling the truth and the rest of the world is lying[/quote]

Rest of the world? aljazeera? I had heard hamas intercepted the aid from those ships. I was also listening to interviews on the radio of people who’d been there saying it wasn’t a bad place. and it wasn’t the 3rd world type area it’s made out to be. More importantly Israel isn’t the only country that walls off gaza.

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I’ve been to Gaza. There is no humanitarian issue there, other than Iranian-supported Hamas is imposing Sharia law on the population, and killing folks.

Just for example, Israel tried to ship the little bit of aid that was on these ships by truck, but the arabs refused it because it was a load of garbage – broken toilets, expired medicine, used shoes, etc. There are regular transports in and out of Gaza all day long – they just have to go through a customs check for MISSLES AND BOMBS.

All this is about is opening the border so Iran can station a bunch of weapons and start WWIII.

Don’t be stupid.

Regarding the “world against Israel.” I personally have no idea. I think they are chicken of the arabs coming after them, or cutting off their oil. My sister thinks it is Biblical, and foretold that all the nations of the world will turn against Israel in the end.

Well, I am no Biblical scholar, but I’ve read the end of the book. We win. Pick your side.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ve been to Gaza. There is no humanitarian issue there, other than Iranian-supported Hamas is imposing Sharia law on the population, and killing folks.

[/quote]

I’m not calling you a liar, but I can find plenty of news sources and international rights watch groups that report something differently than what you are saying.

There is no doubt propaganda being reported as the truth from both sides.

I just have a hard time believing that one side is 100% in the right and the other is totally wrong.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I’ve been to Gaza. There is no humanitarian issue there, other than Iranian-supported Hamas is imposing Sharia law on the population, and killing folks.

[/quote]

I’m not calling you a liar, but I can find plenty of news sources and international rights watch groups that report something differently than what you are saying.

There is no doubt propaganda being reported as the truth from both sides.

I just have a hard time believing that one side is 100% in the right and the other is totally wrong.
[/quote]

Oh, where to begin.

  1. International Rights Watch Groups — correctly called George Soros groups, as he is the funding behind basically all of them. Soros, btw, was a Kapo in WWII. He is Jewish. He made his money collaborating with Nazis and stealing Jewish property. He hates himself and hates Israel by extension. Ever notice the Soros groups like Amnesty International never talk about all the Christians killed in Muslim countries? Or how all the muslims countries gathered up their Jewish populations and shoved them to their borders? Even now? They are agenda-driven garbage.

  2. Plenty of news sources.

Yes, like al-Rueters who crops out the knife in the the “peace activists” hands?
Or fakes bomb damage in Gaza (with photo shop)
Or fakes photos of “human shields”?

  1. Did you know 20% of Israel is Arab? Well-adjusted normal citizens, just like every one else. They get to avoid the draft, but can serve if they want.

  2. “There is no doubt propaganda being reported as the truth from both sides.”

Nope, just one side.

  1. “I just have a hard time believing that one side is 100% in the right and the other is totally wrong.”

The side that straps bombs to retarded boys, telling them the only way they will get laid is to blow themselves up and kill as many Jewish women as possible is totally wrong.