Heavyweight UFC Fighter vs Half Dozen Guys?

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
but lets say a guy like Alistair Overeem is in there to hurt or kill 6 average guys who most likely haven’t been in that many fights and are probably not motivated enough to beat the life out of him and risk getting killed in the process, don’t you guys think that once Reem would start swinging for the home run the rest of the guys would at least shit themselves pretty bad and make them hesitate a bit before swarming him?[/quote]

Why is he attacking 6 men? Usually, in a mob assault the mob is the agressor. That means they’re all motivated to violence. Also, people with zero experience in violence rarely engage in mob assaults. So you have to figure that if you have 6 average mob assailants (as opposed to 6 average guys) you’ve already got a willingness to do violence and at least a passing familiarity with the same.

But even if I’m standing around with 5 random guys between the ages of 18 and 35 from the state of NC, and Reem shows up and starts swinging, Reem is going to die of multiple stab and gunshot wounds. You can never be sure that the group of unarmed “average” guys you jumped is not a) armed and b) well trained in the sudden use of overwhelming violence. The odds in some areas are better than 50% that a person you pass on the street has at least a knife on him. And the only way you’ll find out is by bleeding out.

Willingly initiating a mob assault on yourself has got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of, and it’s the reason we do the multiple attacker drills in the first place: to teach students to call for backup and use their guns instead of trying to be Jet Li.

But yeah, I suppose if I bust into a nursing home and jump 6 random guys, I could take them. So what? All that proves is that you can eventually reducto ad absurdum this scenario into a win for either side.[/quote]

Great post Jim.

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[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
Keep in mind you guys are talking about motivated attackers who might know what they are doing. Lawlor was only pointing out that most seem to over estimate the capabilities of average guy. Like in the movie scene, Statham takes the first shot, he is the instigator and he takes one out before they even get time to organize themselves.

If we are talking about a similiar scenario, it is 6 average guys who didn’t know they were going to be in a fight before the heavyweight showed up. I agree 100% that if it were the other way around and those 6 guys would jump the heavyweight and catch him off guard, he would probably end up dead pretty quick, but lets say a guy like Alistair Overeem is in there to hurt or kill 6 average guys who most likely haven’t been in that many fights and are probably not motivated enough to beat the life out of him and risk getting killed in the process, don’t you guys think that once Reem would start swinging for the home run the rest of the guys would at least shit themselves pretty bad and make them hesitate a bit before swarming him?[/quote]

No. Absolutely not.

I took the first shot when I did it. Came in from an indirect angle, “swinging for the fences” (before I knew how to box but I’ve always been a decent puncher regardless), got my hand up into the armpit of the biggest guy, turned him, and started punching him in the kidneys.

I was hit four times in less than five seconds, and was pulled to the ground with guys literally piled on top of me inside of 10.

Stop thinking it’s like the movies or the ring. It’s not. Not in any way.

I cannot describe to you how chaotic any scenario with more than one person becomes, even if you’re in the remarkable unlike scenario of facing six attackers and having no one else jump in also.

This might help a little.

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http://www.badassoftheweek.com/shrestha.html

Here’s a story that you might like. Gurkha soldier takes on 30+ gang members.

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I’ve never hung out with 6 guys, that didn’t include one big guy and one guy that LIKES to fight… That’s including my Computer Science classes in 1995. The only possible aid s that in a fight like that several people tend to hit their own friends. I’ve probably caught more punches from my friends then enemies.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

This might help a little.

http://www.wimsblog.com/2012/04/how-to-survive-a-street-brawl/[/quote]

I have to hand it to that one guy in the black who kept trying to stop the fight. It looked like he was the only one, can’t say I would’ve been in the middle of it like that.

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This is silly. How many people here have ever been attacked by several aggressors at once? Sounds like only a couple. I have a handful of times, and the list of injuries include but aren’t limited to: a gash (and permanent dent) on my head caused by a liquor bottle that didn’t break, a few concussions, broken ribs, broken fingers/hand, some small scars and FIVE fake teeth.

Now, I’ve never been a 6’5" UFC fighter. Ironically I’m about Statham’s build at 5’9" (and when my head was shaved heard I looked him at least twice a week), but had an ex-boxer for a dad and grew up pretty rough. I know how to throw a punch and to defense myself. Your BEST CASE SCENARIO is you somehow land a coupla haymakers and thin out the crowd, but that’s unrealistic and once several hands/fists/legs are on you, you’re going down.

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Hey my front tooth got chipped during my incident as well. Something about multiple attackers and busting teeth seems to go together.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey my front tooth got chipped during my incident as well. Something about multiple attackers and busting teeth seems to go together. [/quote]

Haha, like pb&j. As I was squaring off with a couple of dudes I got cracked in the back of the head with something blunt and hard (no clue what it was, never saw it coming), went down and had a handful of dudes proceed to beat the shit out of me and throw me face first into a fire hydrant. The best advice in all of this is don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be outnumbered. Actually, just don’t put yourself in a position where shit can violently escalate, regardless of number of participants.

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I agree 100% that the scenario is purely hypothetical and absurd, no man with 20+hrs of martial arts training a week for most of his life should even consider picking a fight with 6 people at once and there is a good reason for that. I was only making an argument for the completely hypothetical case mentioned in the first post and to which I asume Mr. Lawlor also replied to. I don’t know many guys who would be eager to take on a 265lbs, 6’5" trained fighter who is in there to knock everyone out, that kind of stuff tends to be pretty intimidating and most guys have too strong sense of self protection to get involved and rather run for their lives. Either that or the majority of the people I know are complete pussies, me included.

With all of that being said, I can see the frustration you guys are having answering to this kind of question considering a lot of you guys have dealt with this kind of situations, train for these daily or try to prevent this kind of stuff for living. I was simply posting to maybe try to clarify what Lawlor might have been going for with his post in the other thread, and I do realise that in a much more likely situation that involve the kind of people to tend to get involved with this kind of stuff, even heavyweight like Overeem would be in a world of shit.

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I htink all you small guys are giving up on the benefit that this potential guy
is a heavyweight.

Size and strength alone should be enough to keep 6 measly 170lbers at bay.
also dont forget- he would have a reach advantage- and who knows how good his BJJ game is.

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
but lets say a guy like Alistair Overeem is in there to hurt or kill 6 average guys who most likely haven’t been in that many fights and are probably not motivated enough to beat the life out of him and risk getting killed in the process, don’t you guys think that once Reem would start swinging for the home run the rest of the guys would at least shit themselves pretty bad and make them hesitate a bit before swarming him?[/quote]

Why is he attacking 6 men? Usually, in a mob assault the mob is the agressor. That means they’re all motivated to violence. Also, people with zero experience in violence rarely engage in mob assaults. So you have to figure that if you have 6 average mob assailants (as opposed to 6 average guys) you’ve already got a willingness to do violence and at least a passing familiarity with the same.

But even if I’m standing around with 5 random guys between the ages of 18 and 35 from the state of NC, and Reem shows up and starts swinging, Reem is going to die of multiple stab and gunshot wounds. You can never be sure that the group of unarmed “average” guys you jumped is not a) armed and b) well trained in the sudden use of overwhelming violence. The odds in some areas are better than 50% that a person you pass on the street has at least a knife on him. And the only way you’ll find out is by bleeding out.

Willingly initiating a mob assault on yourself has got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of, and it’s the reason we do the multiple attacker drills in the first place: to teach students to call for backup and use their guns instead of trying to be Jet Li.

But yeah, I suppose if I bust into a nursing home and jump 6 random guys, I could take them. So what? All that proves is that you can eventually reducto ad absurdum this scenario into a win for either side.[/quote]

Fantastic post Jim.

I agree.

To Fisticuffs,

There is a distinction between the true “average guy” and the “average” who would participate in a gang/group assualt.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
The best advice in all of this is don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be outnumbered. Actually, just don’t put yourself in a position where shit can violently escalate, regardless of number of participants.[/quote]

Quoted for Truth.

Made it #1 in my summery.

Regards,

Robert A

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Shit. This thread is awesome. Hahaha.

Anyways, as said by most posters, when shit gets real, get the fuck out of there. Run for your fucking life.

It’s all fantasy, baby. All fantasy.

When I was much younger and much wilder, I used to think I could survive street brawls. You have five or more crazies coming at you, just hit the closest one to you, and make sure you cause some damage to slow them down. Then GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE. Or just don’t hit anyone. Just run.

Yeah, walking around with black eyes and busted lips as badges of honour is fun when you’re 15 and a violent and fearless bitch eager for blood in the ring. But it ain’t funny no more when you lose several teeth, get your nose, jaw and skull broken once your attackers had taken you down with a metal plank and repeatedly stamped on you in the street.

Only because you were foolish enough to think you could be Bruce Lee. Or Jason Fucking Statham.

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[quote]zerocharisma wrote:
I htink all you small guys are giving up on the benefit that this potential guy
is a heavyweight.

Size and strength alone should be enough to keep 6 measly 170lbers at bay.
also dont forget- he would have a reach advantage- and who knows how good his BJJ game is.
[/quote]

hahahahhahaha.

You rule.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey my front tooth got chipped during my incident as well. Something about multiple attackers and busting teeth seems to go together. [/quote]

Haha, like pb&j. As I was squaring off with a couple of dudes I got cracked in the back of the head with something blunt and hard (no clue what it was, never saw it coming), went down and had a handful of dudes proceed to beat the shit out of me and throw me face first into a fire hydrant. The best advice in all of this is don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be outnumbered. Actually, just don’t put yourself in a position where shit can violently escalate, regardless of number of participants.[/quote]

That happened to a guy I used to know. Bad drug deal, he got out of the car, and BOOM. Brick to the back of the head, he woke up in the hospital with a gash that left a SERIOUS scar.

Another time - and this is why its so easy to bang around one guy if you’re part of the mob - my buddy was just AROUND a street brawl, not even involved, when the kid who was trying to fight a bunch of people popped my buddy in the mouth by mistake.

My buddy grabbed a cue ball in a sock that somebody else had brought, cracked the kid who punched him in the face, and left.

Game over son.

Being a UFC fighter is one thing. Being someone who truly doesn’t give a fuck is quite another.

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No weapons on the 6 sticklings, big guy wins 100% of the time

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey my front tooth got chipped during my incident as well. Something about multiple attackers and busting teeth seems to go together. [/quote]

Haha, like pb&j. As I was squaring off with a couple of dudes I got cracked in the back of the head with something blunt and hard (no clue what it was, never saw it coming), went down and had a handful of dudes proceed to beat the shit out of me and throw me face first into a fire hydrant. The best advice in all of this is don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be outnumbered. Actually, just don’t put yourself in a position where shit can violently escalate, regardless of number of participants.[/quote]

That happened to a guy I used to know. Bad drug deal, he got out of the car, and BOOM. Brick to the back of the head, he woke up in the hospital with a gash that left a SERIOUS scar.

Another time - and this is why its so easy to bang around one guy if you’re part of the mob - my buddy was just AROUND a street brawl, not even involved, when the kid who was trying to fight a bunch of people popped my buddy in the mouth by mistake.

My buddy grabbed a cue ball in a sock that somebody else had brought, cracked the kid who punched him in the face, and left.

Game over son.

Being a UFC fighter is one thing. Being someone who truly doesn’t give a fuck is quite another.[/quote]

Man, we could trade stories for days. When you grow up as a knucklehead chances are you have knuckleheaded friends, and shit can get weird FAST. I like your last line, and Robert’s line about the difference between the average guy and the average guy who’d partake in jumping some dude 6-on-1. Having the ability to throw a knockout punch is MILES AWAY from the ability to put a cinder block into someone’s face.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey my front tooth got chipped during my incident as well. Something about multiple attackers and busting teeth seems to go together. [/quote]

Haha, like pb&j. As I was squaring off with a couple of dudes I got cracked in the back of the head with something blunt and hard (no clue what it was, never saw it coming), went down and had a handful of dudes proceed to beat the shit out of me and throw me face first into a fire hydrant. The best advice in all of this is don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be outnumbered. Actually, just don’t put yourself in a position where shit can violently escalate, regardless of number of participants.[/quote]

That happened to a guy I used to know. Bad drug deal, he got out of the car, and BOOM. Brick to the back of the head, he woke up in the hospital with a gash that left a SERIOUS scar.

Another time - and this is why its so easy to bang around one guy if you’re part of the mob - my buddy was just AROUND a street brawl, not even involved, when the kid who was trying to fight a bunch of people popped my buddy in the mouth by mistake.

My buddy grabbed a cue ball in a sock that somebody else had brought, cracked the kid who punched him in the face, and left.

Game over son.

Being a UFC fighter is one thing. Being someone who truly doesn’t give a fuck is quite another.[/quote]

Man, we could trade stories for days. When you grow up as a knucklehead chances are you have knuckleheaded friends, and shit can get weird FAST. I like your last line, and Robert’s line about the difference between the average guy and the average guy who’d partake in jumping some dude 6-on-1. Having the ability to throw a knockout punch is MILES AWAY from the ability to put a cinder block into someone’s face.
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Honest question; was it really a cue ball?

I have never heard or seen of a cue ball being what gets loaded into a sock in real life.

Combo locks, pad locks, marbles, whatever sure…never the cue ball.

I am thinking most places I have been anyone bad enough to walk away with the cue ball doesn’t need it.

Regards,

Robert A

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6 guys? Forget that.

Closest I’ve come is 3 vs 1 at the gym, full-ish contact. I’m bigger, stronger, and better than the other 3 guys and I’ve easily beaten all of them 1 on 1. It was all I could do to stay on my feet, much less “win”. If they had been more motivated and were actually trying to hurt me, I’d have been screwed. This was with gloves and a padded floor. Concrete and the likelihood of weapons? Ha. No thanks.

Make a hole and run like hell.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey my front tooth got chipped during my incident as well. Something about multiple attackers and busting teeth seems to go together. [/quote]

Haha, like pb&j. As I was squaring off with a couple of dudes I got cracked in the back of the head with something blunt and hard (no clue what it was, never saw it coming), went down and had a handful of dudes proceed to beat the shit out of me and throw me face first into a fire hydrant. The best advice in all of this is don’t put yourself in a position where you’ll be outnumbered. Actually, just don’t put yourself in a position where shit can violently escalate, regardless of number of participants.[/quote]

That happened to a guy I used to know. Bad drug deal, he got out of the car, and BOOM. Brick to the back of the head, he woke up in the hospital with a gash that left a SERIOUS scar.

Another time - and this is why its so easy to bang around one guy if you’re part of the mob - my buddy was just AROUND a street brawl, not even involved, when the kid who was trying to fight a bunch of people popped my buddy in the mouth by mistake.

My buddy grabbed a cue ball in a sock that somebody else had brought, cracked the kid who punched him in the face, and left.

Game over son.

Being a UFC fighter is one thing. Being someone who truly doesn’t give a fuck is quite another.[/quote]

Man, we could trade stories for days. When you grow up as a knucklehead chances are you have knuckleheaded friends, and shit can get weird FAST. I like your last line, and Robert’s line about the difference between the average guy and the average guy who’d partake in jumping some dude 6-on-1. Having the ability to throw a knockout punch is MILES AWAY from the ability to put a cinder block into someone’s face.
[/quote]

Honest question; was it really a cue ball?

I have never heard or seen of a cue ball being what gets loaded into a sock in real life.

Combo locks, pad locks, marbles, whatever sure…never the cue ball.

I am thinking most places I have been anyone bad enough to walk away with the cue ball doesn’t need it.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Well. It may have been an eight ball, or a three ball… I’m not really sure if it was a stripe or solid.

But it was most certainly a pool ball.

My buddy didn’t actually bring it - once he got popped, he got pissed, and saw another kid holding it, so he grabbed it from him and hit the other dude.

I remember laughing the next day when he told me the story and being like, “Bro you know if they catch you you’ll go up for assault with a deadly weapon and maybe even attempted murder right?”

His response was, “That n***** split my lip.”

Like it was just 2 + 2 = 4… “Split lip due to fight + weapon handy = brutal assault.”

This is why I kinda laugh when white suburban kids who “do MMA” act like it makes them a kind on the street. Dudes out in the street don’t give a FUCK about that kinda thing, they’re gonna attack you with weapon when you’re not looking anyway. If they can’t get the drop, they’ll wait till they can.