Heavy Metal Thread (and Associated Genres)

[dt79]

Really deep.

[polo77j]

@dt79

I just like them more without a singer

Understandable - I lean this way too

@dt79

I think it was their former keyboardist who was holding it all together. But then the last album he was in sucked big time. What was it? Crimson Sunset or something?

Kevin Moore was their original keyboardist and he left after “Awake” (which is a great album imo). They had a guy Derek Shreidian or something in between Moore and Rudess who was meh but he was around for their Change of Seasons ep (that’s a great fuckin song man).

I’ve actually never given Malmsteen a listen … not sure why

[Iron_Condor]

MASTODON - High Road - Bloodstock 2016

[Edgy]

SANTANA - Samba Pa Ti 🎸🔥 [Full Album 1988] 🔥🎸 (HQ Audio), 🎵αη0015

can I toss this in here?

[cyclonengineer]

Not metal but a mastery of guitar for sure.

[dt79]

@polo77j

I’ve actually never given Malmsteen a listen … not sure why

He’s got some good songs. I think he was popular because he was the first “shredder”. Most of them are just wanking off with a melodic minor scale with a couple of easy 3-4 note arpeggios with the same chords. I only listened to some of his songs because I was challenged by a friend to play Far Beyond the Sun. It’s not hard compared to anything by Dream Theater.

I don’t know if I’ve written this before, but I watched a clinic with John Myung long ago. The fucker is a violin virtuoso who just decided to take up the bass lol. Even he can out shred Malmsteen any day of the week.

[unreal24278]

Chaos Inside

oooooooooooooo

[pettersson]

Nestor - On The Run (Official Video)

[Aragorn]

@dt79

It’s like how Tom Joad in The Grapes of Wrath was saying he could naturally find his way home after being gone so long but only if he didn’t think about it or he’d lose his way. Man, I wasn’t exaggerating when I was saying how much Steinback understood the human condition down to even the most minute of things.

No you weren’t! It’s a shame I find his writing style the equivalent of gnawing on cardboard, because he had extremely deep human insight.

But on the topic, there are several riffs I can play immediately, no matter how long I’ve been away from guitar, but only if I don’t try to remember them lol. It’s amazing really.

[Aragorn]

@polo77j

Mike Mangini … yes he’s a fantastic drummer but the DT albums sans portnoy lack his portnoyness … I do like the first post portnoy album … bridges in the sky is top 3 DT for me … and their most recent album had a lot of fantastic tracks

I still dig DT as one of my top 3, but I do miss Portnoy. Mangini is a phenomenal drummer and great addition though. Distance over Time has some just killer riffs.

@dt79

It’s what happens when you compose vocals to fit the music and not the other way around

You know what I do? I basically pretend the singer doesn’t exist .

James can sing but I’m just here for the virtuoso playing. I got into DT because of the super human skills and composition, not the lyrics.

@dt79

I don’t know if I’ve written this before, but I watched a clinic with John Myung long ago. The fucker is a violin virtuoso who just decided to take up the bass lol

Also true. He along with Vic Wooten have steel for fingers.

I always enjoy Yngwie for two things-- first, he was a “founding father” of bringing classical composition to shred and the shred genre as a whole. Second, he is just too damn cheesy but he doesn’t know it lol.

His composition skills suck in comparison to his chops, but he was the first to bring it across the ocean so to speak.

[Iron_Condor]

I’ve been listening to this pretty much on loop the last couple of days

Mastodon - The Last Baron (Instrumental) "Crack the Skye Royal Edition"

[Aragorn]

Thing I love about Mastodon is that every album is different. That is a great track.

[Aragorn]

I’d like to dedicate this one to all the politicians out there (without derailing this thread).

The Coward's Way

Also, for anyone out there unfortunate enough to NOT know Unleash the Archers and ESPECIALLY Brittney Slayes… You’re welcome. Go listen to their albums Apex and Abyss.

And anything live. Or for that matter anything she sings on.

[Iron_Condor]

Something I just found

INTRONAUT - Digital Gerrymandering (Album Track)

[dt79]

@Aragorn

Also true. He along with Vic Wooten have steel for fingers.

No joke. I managed to catch Vic playing with Bela Fleck in a small, underground club. I couldn’t believe they’d come to my country, let alone play in a club like that. Apparently they were also paid peanuts. The other guys I’ve watched like Michael Angelo and Frank Gamble were brought in by Yamaha for clinics and had full auditoriums rented for them.

Back to Vic. He’s simply amazing. I couldn’t really follow along because I don’t know crap about jazz but his virtuosity has to be seen to be believed. Bela Fleck was unbelievable. In one song, he simultaneously detuned several strings to change the key on his banjo while playing and exchanging solos with Vic. I’d never seen anything like that before lol. The pub had free seating and there was no stage so I was sitting right in the front row 5 meters away from them and watching all this.

One thing I gotta say about Michael Angelo. He always looks so serious while he’s playing but he’s a fucking funny and animated dude when he’s talking. I’m not really a fan of the “shred” genre so I’d never heard of him before that. A friend dragged me along because he got free tickets from one of his contacts at Yamaha. We were like, “This guy’s just like Wayne from Wayne’s World” lol.

@Aragorn

Second, he is just too damn cheesy but he doesn’t know it lol.

We managed to get a bootlegged VHS of his concert at Budokan and half the time we were laughing at all the funny faces he was making. It’s really hard to take him seriously while he’s performing.

[Aragorn]

@dt79

Back to Vic. He’s simply amazing. I couldn’t really follow along because I don’t know crap about jazz but his virtuosity has to be seen to be believed. Bela Fleck was unbelievable. In one song, he simultaneously detuned several strings to change the key on his banjo while playing and exchanging solos with Vic. I’d never seen anything like that before lol.

I saw them play the city market in Kansas City a number of years ago, and it was the same thing. Absolutely mind-blowing. They absolutely do not get enough credit outside the musician world. 100% the real deal.
Also, if you haven’t heard Wooten’s “Classical Thump” solo piece do yourself a favor and find it. Crazy.

@dt79

The pub had free seating and there was no stage so I was sitting right in the front row 5 meters away from them and watching all this.

You just ensured my enmity forever by getting to watch them from 15 feet away. I can’t believe how lucky you got! Did you kill someone to get that deal? Lol.

@dt79

One thing I gotta say about Michael Angelo. He always looks so serious while he’s playing but he’s a fucking funny and animated dude when he’s talking

I never got into him. He’s fast but I don’t think he has songwriting skills. I am a fan of the shred genre, but it’s got to have either composition skills (Petrucci, Holdsworth, Vai), melody (Satriani, Gambale, Gilbert in later years), experimental art (Shawn Lane, Holdsworth, Vai, Zappa), or other musicality to it. Shredding just to go fast is dumb.

But Michael Angelo does have a personality for sure.

[dt79]

@Aragorn

Also, if you haven’t heard Wooten’s “Classical Thump” solo piece do yourself a favor and find it. Crazy.

I have. It’s crazy lol.

@Aragorn

You just ensured my enmity forever by getting to watch them from 15 feet away. I can’t believe how lucky you got! Did you kill someone to get that deal? Lol.

Honestly, I had no idea who Victor Wooten was at that time. I only knew who Bela Fleck was from hearing a couple of songs. A friend dragged me along.

@Aragorn

I never got into him. He’s fast but I don’t think he has songwriting skills.

Same here. I liked Frank Gambale. He was a little bit of a dick but I think he’s one of the most underrated of them all. He claimed he invented some kind of fretboard with a slight 1 degree bend in the frets or something because normal fretboards cause the 1st E string to go out out tune on the higher notes or something but “you normal guys can’t hear it” lol. I don’t know if that’s true or not but he’s got some great songs for sure.

The Italian Job

[Aragorn]

@dt79

He claimed he invented some kind of fretboard with a slight 1 degree bend in the frets or something because normal fretboards cause the 1st E string to go out out tune on the higher notes or something but “you normal guys can’t hear it” lol

I think you’re talking about fanned frets and true temperament fretting. Gambale didn’t invent anything as the idea goes back a very long way but he may have been one of the first popular artists to play a guitar with them. Yamaha had a Gambale signature model in the 80s/90s with the first few frets curved for that purpose. It wasn’t fully fanned, and I’m not sure if he ever played a fully fanned fretboard before that or not. But I would say he was one of the very first artists to try to make them known.

[dt79]

I never knew about that lol. I can’t tell the difference anyway.

[doomyguy]

Opening track from the new Baest album - awesome Death Metal

BAEST - Genesis (OFFICIAL VIDEO)