500iu per week isn’t enough. 750iu minimum, 1000iu ideally.
Why pin the Test twice a week? Dont say it keeps blood levels stable!!! Test E has a 11 day half life. Taking it twice a week will have no benifit over once. It will bring more scar tissue, more chance of infection.
Hi Bdubbs,
Cycle looks fine to me. 500iu IMO is enough if it’s not a heavy cycle. Everything looks good to me.
For PCT you can do:
Nolva 40/20/20/20 or
Nolva 40/20/20/20 + Clomid 100mg day 1 and then 50mg day 2 - day 12
As for HCG you can shoot it IM or Subq. For Subq use insulin syringes for HCG and shoot into stomach area where there is some fat tissue.
[quote]ESX wrote:
500iu per week isn’t enough. 750iu minimum, 1000iu ideally.
Why pin the Test twice a week? Dont say it keeps blood levels stable!!! Test E has a 11 day half life. Taking it twice a week will have no benifit over once. It will bring more scar tissue, more chance of infection. [/quote]
You have a great avatar, but no offense you couldn’t be more wrong on this.
Test E has a half life closer to 4-4.5 days. It is recommended to pin Test E either 2x/week or E3D. Even Test Cyp has a half life of closer to 8 days, allowing you to pin 1x/week.
If you are going to run HCG for a long time, you do not want to run it at a high dose. As the stick up top suggests, 250iu 2x/week for several weeks is more than enough to keep you going while on a moderate cycle.
How much HCG you use has nothing to do with how heavy your cycle is!!! After 12 weeks your balls are going to be shut down with 300mg of test. If you use 3g of test they can’t get shut down any more! 500iu might keep them looking plump but it won’t cause enough LH stimulation for it to do its job effectively.
Clomid at 100mg a day for a week will double LH and increase FSH by 30-40%. Two weeks of it will likely put you back In range. Why are you recommending 100mg for day? You might as well just take 50 for 3 weeks.
[quote]msanchez123321 wrote:
[quote]ESX wrote:
500iu per week isn’t enough. 750iu minimum, 1000iu ideally.
Why pin the Test twice a week? Dont say it keeps blood levels stable!!! Test E has a 11 day half life. Taking it twice a week will have no benifit over once. It will bring more scar tissue, more chance of infection. [/quote]
You have a great avatar, but no offense you couldn’t be more wrong on this.
Test E has a half life closer to 4-4.5 days. It is recommended to pin Test E either 2x/week or E3D. Even Test Cyp has a half life of closer to 8 days, allowing you to pin 1x/week.
If you are going to run HCG for a long time, you do not want to run it at a high dose. As the stick up top suggests, 250iu 2x/week for several weeks is more than enough to keep you going while on a moderate cycle. [/quote]
Do me a favour and actually look up the half life of test e.
You won’t desensitise the Leydeg cells with 1000iu per week. Endos use 2-3 shots of 5000ius a week for 4 weeks with no problems. I believe it took about 10000ius in one shot to cause problems an that only lasted 3 days.
[quote]ESX wrote:
[quote]msanchez123321 wrote:
[quote]ESX wrote:
500iu per week isn’t enough. 750iu minimum, 1000iu ideally.
Why pin the Test twice a week? Dont say it keeps blood levels stable!!! Test E has a 11 day half life. Taking it twice a week will have no benifit over once. It will bring more scar tissue, more chance of infection. [/quote]
You have a great avatar, but no offense you couldn’t be more wrong on this.
Test E has a half life closer to 4-4.5 days. It is recommended to pin Test E either 2x/week or E3D. Even Test Cyp has a half life of closer to 8 days, allowing you to pin 1x/week.
If you are going to run HCG for a long time, you do not want to run it at a high dose. As the stick up top suggests, 250iu 2x/week for several weeks is more than enough to keep you going while on a moderate cycle. [/quote]
Do me a favour and actually look up the half life of test e.
You won’t desensitise the Leydeg cells with 1000iu per week. Endos use 2-3 shots of 5000ius a week for 4 weeks with no problems. I believe it took about 10000ius in one shot to cause problems an that only lasted 3 days.[/quote]
I can quote for days, but I’ll make it simple.
Bill Roberts, considered one of the most knowledgable individuals on AAS: “The value I use as an estimate for the half-life of testosterone enanthate is 5 days, though there is a literature value for 4 days.” (Half Life of AI Compared to Test E - Pharma - Forums - T Nation)
The National Institute for Health: In a first experiment, “Mean half-life estimates of the terminal elimination phase were 4 and 7 days for testosterone-enanthate and dihydrotestosterone-enanthate, respectively.” In a second experiment, “Mean half-life estimates for testosterone-enanthate and dihydrotestosterone were 5 and 7 days, respectively.” (Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of testosterone enanthate and dihydrotestosterone enanthate in non-human primates - PubMed)
So, like I said, there is significant medical literature (and not “bro” literature) that the half life of Test E is between 4-5 days. Or 4.5.
But hey guys, listen to ESX. Just don’t mess yourselves up.
Well I’m not going to argue as on the interweb it gets you nowhere.
If I was on my PC and could post link to all relivent studies I would but you’ probably only come back with “well Bill Roberts said…”
Bill Roberts as far as I know isn’t a doctor, nor a scientist. Without studies what he says is irrelivent. Plus some of the protocols he recommends are a joke. I believe one was two weeks on, two weeks off. So I’d take what he says with a pinch of salt and I’ll read studies from medical journals instead.
From The Medical Dictionary
Drug Ester Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
This will be my last post on the steroid forum. I’ll use my way with studies and facts, you can do it your own way. End of the day they’re not my balls to save, and it’s not me putting twice as many holes in myself as needed.
I just looked up who Bill Roberts actually is and he does have a PhD so therefore what he says will hold some merit. I’ll admit I was wrong on that front. However I still stand by my own tried and proven recovery protocols from endos rather than from someone with a degree in microbiology and cell science. As for the info on half life, well that is just fact. One person or one study showing otherwise doesn’t make it so.
Ok that was my last post on this forum!
[quote]ESX wrote:
I just looked up who Bill Roberts actually is and he does have a PhD so therefore what he says will hold some merit. I’ll admit I was wrong on that front. However I still stand by my own tried and proven recovery protocols from endos rather than from someone with a degree in microbiology and cell science. As for the info on half life, well that is just fact. One person or one study showing otherwise doesn’t make it so.
Ok that was my last post on this forum! [/quote]
It was not one study, or one source. It was BR, who is an expert in the field, and it was the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH conducting, in the report I quoted, two experiments.
The half-life has sometimes shown to be longer than five days, sometimes even 7 or 10, but generally, as indicated in MOST of the tests, Test E has a half-life of 4-5 days.
Not that your protocol is necessarily wrong, as in you it may clear in 7 days, but usually the half life is closer to 4.5 days. All I’m saying.