Hi guys, I’m currently in week 6 of my 10 weeker of Test E. I was advised to start using HCG in second half of this cycle and 2 weeks after, then 1 week nothing and then start my Clomid + Nolva PCT. I have a few questions, could you please answer it for me?? I would be very grateful.
Can I stick to this suggested protocol - HCG in cycle weeks 7,8,9,10 + 2 weeks after stopping Test E?
I ONLY HAVE 3 Ovigil 5000iu HCG sets. I can’t get any bacteriostatic water, I only have that chloride mixture to dissolve in. How long can I keep it in refrigerator? I mean already mixed together.
Since it’s my first cycle, how much HCG should I use? 250iu twice a week or more?
The letter in my Ovigil says IM ONLY. So I can’t put it in subq insulin syringes but only use IM as stated?
The most important thing for me is how long can I store it since dissolved in chloride mixture. It says to be used immediately so I’m a little bit nervous about that.
Thank you very much for your answers. There are some threads but all of them talk about using bacteriostatic water.
Why are you waiting 3 weeks to start PCT? The standard time for test e is two weeks, and then PCT.
Anyway, 250iu on injection days. Day after last injection do 10 days of HCG blast 500 iu per day. Stop 3-4 days before PCT then begin PCT. I also dont understand why you cant do it SubQ, but IM is fine I guess. Without bacteriostatic water, I assume that the half life of HCG goes down. So instead of 90 days, it may last 30 days. Mix one vial at a time, dont use all three at one time. 5000iu is enough for 10 weeks if youre doing 500iu a week.
If it is bacteriostatic 30 days if it is just sodium chloride needs to be used right away. I do hcg sq 2 days after after test inj. That is what my doc tells me to do. Hcg keeps me elevated for 14 days. I run it the entire time. I used to start ptc the week of my last inj. I am old now and just stay on.
OK, thanks for advices. I wanted to start PCT 3 weeks later because I found different advices on this. Some say 3 weeks later, some 2 weeks later. I also used PCT calculator on the interent and it says 20 days after last injection. OK, I’ll make it 2 weeks later.
For me it’s now the biggest problem how to store this HCG. If dissolved in chloride must be used immediately (or in a few days), then I have to try to buy that bacteriostatic water somewhere.
There is are no studies or research that confirm that HCG only lasts 30 days. Some say 30, some say 60, some go as far as 90 days. If you store it in the fridge, and use bacteriostatic water, it will last. My first 5000iu lasted me 8 weeks
It will last awhile in the fridge, i get 10000u amps with 2 ml sodium water and split it into 2 100u insulin pins.
Buy some benzyl alcohol and carefully measure 2% of the volume you plan on storing, for example, with my 2ml, I can measure 4 units on my insulin pin to equal 2%.
Be careful though, dont just go stickin your insulin pin into the bottle of BA as it will dissolve the letters right off the side of your of your syringe and leave ink floating around in it. I draw out a small quantity with a regular needle, back load it into my insulin pin, and squirt out the excess until I have 4u. I then draw out the salt water with the regular syringe, push it into the cracked open amp, squirt the BA into the amp and draw it all out with my big syringe. Finally I backload into 2 insulin pins which I repeatedly inject SQ til its gone, carefully cleaning the needle with rubbing alcohol after each use.
If on cycle including IM injections you can combine the hcg with your oils and inject it all together intramuscle, which is kinda useful if your hcg comes in a reusable vial, as you dont really need the insulin pins but they still help to measure small amounts of BA. Too much BA wont kill you but is usually responsible for the PIP accompanying IM oil injections.
As a side note be careful if you receive ampules not to crack it and get glass fragments into the amp, as you can draw them into the 21+ gauge needle. They may be too big to push through the insulin pin in the end, but it might not be and injecting glass dust is a sure fire way to major discomfort. In the least it may block up your pin if the chunks are too big to go through.
It will sometimes drop out of suspension if left for awhile, but it is not difficult to mix it up again, just play with the plunger and it should dissolve again. If left in a vial, just take a needle and draw some in and out to swish it around a little. I would avoid heating it under warm/hot water.
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
Why are you waiting 3 weeks to start PCT? The standard time for test e is two weeks, and then PCT. [/quote]
Surely it’s dose dependent? 250mg is going to clear a lot quicker than 1000mg per week. I had bloods done two weeks after PCT and I still had high levels of testosterone on 500mg a week. If testosterone is too high then the PCT meds will not work.
Three week is about right for 500mg test enth. 750-1000+ and it will be 4 weeks. Chances are the first week of PCT will be wasted if you start after 2 weeks.
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I had bloods done two weeks after PCT and I still had high levels of testosterone on 500mg a week. [/quote]
You honestly cannot say that your high levels were due to the test, because you got bloods done 2 weeks AFTER pct. To each their own, but everything I have read over the last two years has been 2 weeks and then PCT for test e.
Found that through doc orders 250 iu of hgh twice wkly with 400 mg of test e will keep me in the 980 total serum range and around 250 free. At least that is what my bloods come back as. Also found through bloods that nothing other than hgc in the system will show elevated test lvls for up to 14 days. Doc say 30 after reconstituted when keep cold. Some say longer but i follow what the doc says. Half life is still half life regardless of amount.
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[quote]ESX wrote:
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I had bloods done two weeks after PCT and I still had high levels of testosterone on 500mg a week. [/quote]
You honestly cannot say that your high levels were due to the test, because you got bloods done 2 weeks AFTER pct. To each their own, but everything I have read over the last two years has been 2 weeks and then PCT for test e. [/quote]
Well yes I can say that. I had a test reading of above top of range two weeks after last pin. Before cycle I was towards the bottom and 8 weeks post PCT I was back at the bottom. So yes, some of the 500mg was still in my system giving me high enough testosterone. Makes sense when you think about the half life of test e. Inject 500mg, week later you have 250, week after that 125mg (2.5 times what most guys produce naturally), third week after pin you’re at 62.5mg. Much closer to natural test levels.
[quote]ESX wrote:
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I had bloods done two weeks after PCT and I still had high levels of testosterone on 500mg a week. [/quote]
You honestly cannot say that your high levels were due to the test, because you got bloods done 2 weeks AFTER pct. To each their own, but everything I have read over the last two years has been 2 weeks and then PCT for test e. [/quote]
Well yes I can say that. I had a test reading of above top of range two weeks after last pin. Before cycle I was towards the bottom and 8 weeks post PCT I was back at the bottom. So yes, some of the 500mg was still in my system giving me high enough testosterone. Makes sense when you think about the half life of test e. Inject 500mg, week later you have 250, week after that 125mg (2.5 times what most guys produce naturally), third week after pin you’re at 62.5mg. Much closer to natural test levels.
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I agree with you on the break down in the body, but food for though. If at wk 2 you are 250 and it takes 1 wk of of pct before it is fully in the system, so by wk 3 when your lvls are back around normal and the pct just start kicking in fully, why waite to start till wk 4 when you are at the bottom. You still have a wk befor the full effects kick in.