This is the thing. I find I can agree with quite a lot of your observations, and then you go and try and give your explanation for them and we start disagreeing again. For example:
Agreed
Disagree. I would suggest it is because having long hair down to mid-back is a pain in the arse.
I’m also extremely unsure of the idea that guys prefer hair of that length, but I could be convinced otherwise. My reasoning is that it’s the first I’ve heard of that idea in 32 years, and all my observations of people who are paid to be attractive is that none of them have hair that long. To me, that implies they don’t see the benefit in longer hair.
I believe I read somewhere that long luscious hair throws signals into our brain that this person is healthy, young, and able to give birth… I don’t remember where I read this but I do remember something a long those lines.
People that are paid to be attractive? like supermodels? a lot of them have long hair. But I’m open to the idea that cultural shifts can happen, guys are so used to seeing shorter hair they may start to prefer that. I still don’t think so though, because any girl with long hair immediately attracts attention at the gym, work, anywhere.
I’d love to do an experiment with this though. Take the same girl and then have her with long hair and then with shorter hair and see what men prefer.
But hey it is cool that you at least notice what I do even if you don’t agree with my explanations for them.
My take on it, for what its worth, is that dissatisfaction comes from expectations not meeting reality. I believe people are expecting a lot more from life and their life partners now than they were 50 years ago, due to many factors. The entertainment industry, globalisation and social media being a big part of that.
It’s so hard for me to comprehend being the gender that is by and large bigger, stronger, and faster, and simultaneously wallowing in self-pity for the plight of my brethren at the hands of women.
Because there’s a push to not value those things anymore, and instead society is actively attempting to shun it as much as possible within any domain outside of sports.
Also, this isn’t self-pity, you and others keep mistaking this as a male problem only. Females will also have problems associated with this as has been pointed out.
Possibly true, however not something I’ve noticed in myself or others. Unless you define long hair as anything over shoulder length. Then we definitely agree.
I mean like models/actresses/many pop singers. Anyone who wouldn’t be in the position they’re in if they weren’t attractive to look at.
N=1 observation:
I work with 2 sisters (the twins), one with hair down to her arse, one with normal length hair. The one with shorter hair definitely gets more attention.
I’ve often stated that porn and much entertainment media has warped some men’s minds, particularly ordinary men. They are artificially exposed to enormous amounts of naked or near naked beautiful women engaging in sex or acting provocatively, giving off an image of high sexual availability of these women when there is not! Their desires get thoroughly warped and some then even say “I will not settle for a woman who I am not attracted to; I’drather be alone.” Of course that is a sensible statement generally, but not when they imply that their tastes are just so fine tuned that they can’t “settle” for an average looking woman who actually is capable of providing a great relationship and sex that is likely pleasurable as a hot woman can.
On the other hand, many women’s desires became altered too, hence “settling” became a commonly used term by them in the realm of dating.
the brief experience I’ve had with online dating I always found the women to be a level or two below what they presented themselves as. The women always use the ‘tricks’ to make themselves look super good looking. it is so goddamn disingenuous that I don’t even know why they do it and I’ve heard with all the new filters this has gotten so much worse.
Yeah, I blasted your ‘average American female’ , I agree, harsh. But my points were still valid from a guys perspective. Take some of the quotes… not only are you getting a woman that may be socially awkward to men, and the dating world, what are the chances she took care of herself physically with her career seeking goals?
Why would you act surprised that I address you personally when it’s a direct response to your personal experience and observations? YOU dated women a level or two below, YOU fell for tricks and have heard it’s even worse now, YOUR perspective is that the women you get will probably be socially awkward and what are the odds she’s taken care of herself?
Also, I did not agree that pics are altered and people lie. I agreed that people, both men and women, but mostly women because they’re emphasizing physical attributes, will put up old pics. I don’t think it’s in an effort to lie, I think it’s because they want to look good in the pictures and these look better. Possibly they don’t realize how changed they are from that time, I don’t know. I offered that the stupid thing men more often do is photograph their motorcycles and trucks. They too are attempting to emphasize their positives as they perceive them. Some people lie. It happens in all arenas of life. For example, people will come onto the TNation boards and say they’re fit but aren’t. Often when people suspect this they ask for pictures…
Some men are VERY good at this because it’s marketing, pure and simple. Many men are not. Let’s call these men sub-6’s on a 1-10 marketing scale. Why consider these men victims of the women who are also doing a poor job of marketing themselves well rather than thinking “boy, there sure are a lot of sub-6 self-marketers out there” and spending your energy trying to figure out how to not be one of them?
As far as dating apps being flawed, there are a number of them to choose from. I think Tinder is great for good looking people, whereas OKCupid, with its focus on questions that clarify attitudes and assist in matching, may be better for people who aren’t going to do well with pics alone.
Yes, but it is up to each person to ascend the hierarchy. Society does not actualize people, people must develop the capacity to move toward self-actualization.
No, the response you’re getting is that angry, self-pitying men will have trouble getting quality women. “Lesser” men (and women) blame other people for their unhappiness. “Quality” men (and women) assume the best of others and move forward in pursuit of their goals.
So at what point in the process did you start complaining about getting short shrift in the dating world and offer that odds were that they were lying and deceiving?
You claimed, “ordinary women coming out of nursing school nowadays because it’s such an in demand industry instantly making 60,70, and sometimes 80k dollars.”
This is FACTUALLY inaccurate and it’s not even close. Average starting pay for a nurse is $25K to $50K. You’re the “I’m talking about averages” guy, right?
It’s also patently ridiculous that you claim ordinary women are benefiting from nursing being a “lucrative” field. There is nothing stopping a man from becoming a nurse. Something like 10% of nurses in the US is male.
Then you say, “Where as a guy starting out with a normal undergrad degree gets what? 30? 40? Maybe 50k if they are lucky”. First, nursing isn’t a “normal” undergrad degree? Second, women don’t get “normal” undergrad degrees. When I got my BS in Accounting a lot of the graduates were women. Finally, you make this weird claim about making $30k-$50K as if it means anything. The market dictates starting pay out of college and some degrees warrant $30K - $50K. Field DOMINATED by men, like engineering, demand higher starting pay.
Notice where nursing is compared to traditionally male dominated fields.
Rofl dude you’re a fucking joke. Women don’t have hair down to their asses because it’s a nightmare to maintain. Do you actually know women?
I like long hair. But hair down to a woman’s waist isn’t more attractive than past shoulder length. That’s just stupid to assume all men (of even many) are like you.
So it’s extra work for no extra gain. Chalk up a win for Brazil?
To be fair, you’re a really fat divorced guy in his mid 30s complaining about women. What did you expect? You’re such a cliche that the only way you’d have not been mocked is if you weren’t a total tool about it
Obviously that was never gonna happen.
Last week
Last summer.
Killing Bros that go out to bars to score. Not the rest of us
Quite a few societies and communities have practices in place that provide people with the settings for actualization. Marginalized people do not actualize. Again, lots of strongman and strong woman narration and hyperindividualism here and a parallel belief that one can overcome anything on one’s own.
What’s the point of one in the first place they? Why stop there? Let’s break it down to the bedrock of a society: the family. Why not let children go undisciplined, uneducated, untrained, etc. (I’m not being hyperbolic.)
I think that depends on the society. In essence, I think society owes you the things the citizens and the government have agreed upon in exchange for a portion of ones individual liberty and labor. In the context of this thread, society does not (imo) owe you happiness or love or sexual gratification, but the ability to pursue these things in a relatively safe environment.
Lol. Ever read ‘The Republic’ or ‘The Laws’? Sexual partners via a rigged lottery. And since nobody knows who’s children belong to whom (the state takes kids at birth) there’s definitely a little incest. Which he’s okay with.
Plato makes Stalin, Mao and Hitler look like pikers by comparison.
That’s correct. And of course it would be asinine to owe citizens things that can’t even be guaranteed.
Your opinion is sensible and I share it. But I have another opinion that a society should not provide an environment in which the genders are at odds with one and there is social engineering that leads to birth rates below replacement level, destruction of the family unit, and a decline in people with virtuous characteristics reproducing.
