I linked an article from a female journalist blogger whatever you want to call her, that did a ton of foot work, more than I or anyone in here would ever do on these topics and instead everyone decided to joke about the word journalist which is still lost one me why that is even funny.
Which again shows that whatever Is posted on this side won’t matter but posting something showing average base pay is something other than what was stated is ‘wooooooooooooo you destroyed!!!’
No one cares. It’s a flame war. I get it but let’s not pretend it is anything but that.
Depends at what cost. I have noticed the night life dimmed down a bit, but I know how much you guys hate my observations so there are reports younger generations go out less, drink less, meet random people out less, etc if you must look for citations.
And your ability to have these encounters and never be fooled has to be outside the norm. Most everyone I know has had multiple experiences of the people they meet on these apps being no where close to what they end up meeting IRL. I feel like this is a given though, considering you never truly know someone and everyone always presents the best versions of themselves at first, the app only magnifies the needs to do that.
I think what you enjoy the most, and correct me if I’m wrong, is simply the availability of meeting more people, and people that you know may be interested in a relationship. Meeting people out, originally, IRL, would require some postering before you found out what their intentions were. In that aspect I can see how it is more convenient. But again at what cost? Like that article said, people are becoming socially awkward.
It might require superhuman levels of willpower to approach or go beyond the brink of death when it comes to the act of not eating, but people are very rarely coming anywhere close to that in the USA.
True, kind of. How about this - consider how often people eat without considering survival as a goal of the act. Are those instances voluntary?
I say yes
The earlier context of Bricks questions were in response to asceticism, fwiw
I met my current GF there. Took me a while to get used to the fact that it wasn’t a traditional way of meeting. My room mate on the other hand, was a savage with it. A different woman every week.
Because I could accomplish the exact same breadth of research in one evening on 4chan (I read the article, it wasn’t particularly deep, but it’s the fuckin atlantic so you knew that already as well). I particularly liked this part
Over the course of many conversations with sex researchers, psychologists, economists, sociologists, therapists, sex educators, and young adults, I heard many other theories about what I have come to think of as the sex recession. I was told it might be a consequence of the hookup culture, of crushing economic pressures, of surging anxiety rates, of psychological frailty, of widespread antidepressant use, of streaming television, of environmental estrogens leaked by plastics, of dropping testosterone levels, of digital porn, of the vibrator’s golden age, of dating apps, of option paralysis, of helicopter parents, of careerism, of smartphones, of the news cycle, of information overload generally, of sleep deprivation, of obesity. Name a modern blight, and someone, somewhere, is ready to blame it for messing with the modern libido.
Some experts I spoke with offered more hopeful explanations for the decline in sex. For example, rates of childhood sexual abuse have decreased in recent decades, and abuse can lead to both precocious and promiscuous sexual behavior. And some people today may feel less pressured into sex they don’t want to have, thanks to changing gender mores and growing awareness of diverse sexual orientations, including asexuality. Maybe more people are prioritizing school or work over love and sex, at least for a time, or maybe they’re simply being extra deliberate in choosing a life partner—and if so, good for them.
Like shit dude. You post an article as evidence of your claim. The very article says there are a VAST variety of possible causes, and you even admit upthread, and you want to use it as what? It’s literally an article about how nobody knows for sure what’s causing it, and you even agreed with that assertion.
What did it add to the conversation? What claim of yours did it back up? That the things you talk about are one of dozens of possible causes?
Well. Duh.
This is absolutely true. Are we to believe that the night life dying down is a negative on society? Rape is also down. DUIs are down. Alcohol poisoning down. What exactly is bad about the night life dimming?
Is it a critique of dating apps if it’s a given? Or is that a critique of the dating concept?
Why would that have an impact on whether or not eating is voluntary? Do you think the people in America are somehow immune to needing food?
So I went to Merriam-Webster and there’s some definitions that seem to agree with your reading of the situation and some that seem to agree with mine
The reason it would have an impact on the voluntariness of eating is because it introduces the variable of degrees of willpower. Something can be said to be voluntary if willpower effects it
4 : of, relating to, subject to, or regulated by the will
But more directly I was going for the thought that most eating is done completely voluntarily (in the USA), even if not all eating is. So I can see why someone would have an issue with my words
In the realm of comparing it to needing sex, specifically in reference to those with 0 sex, it becomes a binary comparison. I’m fine accepting that eating is voluntary, assuming we’re also accepting that living is voluntary. Seems to invalidate the word though.
So your point this whole time was that nobody forces us to eat? Could I not still respond that equally nobody forces us to breath? Drink water? Nobody forces us to live? Also in the realm of voluntary eating, what would the opposite involuntary eating be? Like when we force feed people? IV feed coma patients?
I guess I’m not understanding the significance of pointing out we aren’t force fed
No, even worse perhaps - I had no conscious purpose. I was merely responding to external stimuli
Somewhere along the way I did analyze my motives enough however to consider the possibility that I only got started on this route from wanting to not follow the rhetorical question/line of reasoning that Brick had laid out. I think I might have wanted to see where else it could go, but that’s not the same as having a point to make
Edit: wanting to not follow a specific rhetorical direction can be an actual desire rather than simply a lack of desire. It’s not that I didn’t want to follow, it’s that I actually wanted to not follow - or so it seems
I shouldn’t have compares the urges for companionship, sex, and procreation to eating. I corrected myself by mentioning most men can exist without them satisfied but will not be self actualized and will be miserable and unproductive or less productive than they can be, at best, or do damage at worst. People will choose to avoid misery.
I believe in the case of biological urges, that is impossible for most. Hence why some societies have structures themselves in a particular fashion. Perhaps some can succeed because of a peculiar psychological or even physical makeup. Most won’t and in this case it is not because of a lack of discipline. I highly doubt anyone here or most men would do just fine in social isolation, with loneliness, or being childless and womanless. They don’t. In fact most people take measures to avoid this and seek the exact opposite because of biology.
I also considered what would happen if I tried really pushing ‘not eating’ to my limits.
Would I die of starvation? Is my willpower strong enough for that?
Would I go wild, crazy high adrenaline rush, running outside towards Taco Bell until I get there and just jump the counter gorging on uncooked food?
Or would I sink my teeth into a poor random stranger I ran into on the way?
Would I even make it to crazy adrenaline rush level, or would my willpower break at day 2, calmly walking to Taco Bell, waiting in line, paying, etc?
Or maybe my willpower is strong enough that I could make it to a level of starvation that would make me to weak to run or bite and I’d have to crawl instead
Really curious, but not worth trying
To answer your question more directly, involuntary eating might be what the willpower cannot control. Something like a reflex, but extended perhaps. An alternate state of mind, devoid of personality. Probably does not work like that, just some thoughts
That’s not research. That’s posting an article by a woman that has also noticed particular trends.
Correct. Because up to this point everything I say I have observed has been met with hostility. I never claimed what I thought was the be all end all of the conversation.
Most of what got everyone here up in arms was my description of women in their 30s. That is what caused all the hysteria. And you know what? I still stand by that.
I was just thinking about this today at the gym… how often do you see a woman after around 25 continue to have long hair? I mean long hair to or beyond middle back. Not many. Why? Because in America this is a sign of adolescence, and it is not “professional” for an adult woman to have long hair. That is how it is seen here.
Take a trip to Argentina, Brazil… many women well into their 30s still with long hair. Why? because it is fucking attractive to a man, lots of men (cue up all the tards in here to argue they don’t like long hair just because I brought it up lol). Yet in the states? Nope. Career culture destroying women all around.
Actually, yes, yes it is. Not having a social atmosphere here is fucking killing people broseph. It doesn’t just have to be about the night life, social life in general is suffering. People are more lonely now than ever before.
Question, when was the last time you left your state? the country?
DUI and whatever else you’re going on about Is a different aspect all together. People don’t have to go out to drink and be alcoholics. I believe drinking alone is even worse than in a social atmosphere.
Yeah, this exactly what happened. Instead of talking about the point I was making, that women can come out making a decent living with something like nursing, which is completely dominated by females, while a lot of other jobs for men keep slipping away in the current climate is contributing to the problems I see you guys decided to go batshit hysterical because “omg national average isn’t what you said in your statement”
