You guys see what I’m saying? The dumber ones jump right into the rabbit hole.
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So all you’re saying, then, is that they’re bad for society?
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I believe most men can not be self-actualized while alone and sexless. Oh yes, sure they’ll live, but, at best, live miserable, or at worst, as said before, cause damage. So I think some points here are moot. We can be as academic and philosophical as we like. Reality pans out predictably.
@greenboy I assume this is where you’re coming from.
They’re inherently flawed as dating tools. For society as a whole? I dunno yet, it could be bad but we’ll have to wait a little longer to make that judgement call.
Would you say, at the individual level, having sex is equally voluntary to eating?
Just checking
it is, but I’m a dumb dumb derpherpaderp always falling down that rabbit hole.
please provide your citations as well. we need substantiated proof of what you’re saying
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Ok so this is something I disagree with, unless you’ll agree that ANY mechanism for dating has flaws. getting set up by your friends has flaws. blind dates have flaws. Trying to date a friend has flaws. So if that’s all you’re saying, alright then.
The argument I can make is that there are many people who can use a dating app as a tool for dating more successfully than anything they had at their disposal pre-apps. I can assure you, dating apps improved my dating experience tremendously. So ‘inherently flawed’ is an over-step to me. If it was inherently flawed, it wouldn’t work for anyone, and it certainly wouldn’t be the best tool available for anyone. As I said before, meeting girls at bars is a FAR more flawed approach.
No. I should have explained myself more thoroughly as I just did.
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how did it improve your dating life besides opening you up to more possibilities?
Well we can simply look to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs which seem to be quite sensible considering the simple observation of life.
Yeah, you did.
Children of Men was about global infertility. There was only ONE fertile woman left in the world. How did you manage to equate it to men not getting laid and collectivization of sex? Was Julianne Moore playing with a ping pong ball that distracting?
I’ve come across this weird way of arguing on forums before, in various topics. It is a strange occurrence online… everyone has turned into armchair Abstract scientists as in they’ll cite stuff they read in the abstract without ever actually reading the full thing (mainly because they can’t) so this habit is created of who can source what information faster, or provide more links despite not actually having meaningful debate. Rarely do people actually read, or understand real scientific work anyways, because it’s not easy, very nuanced, and in vocabulary most don’t come across every day.
I mean, look how hard it was for @dt79 to understand that if there was a crisis, a birth crises ,collectivization of sex could actually happen. In Japan, which he referenced earlier, doesn’t do collectivization but they are doing all else they possibly can to incentivize people to fuck and procreate. How this dude can’t see where this could possibly lead to, logically, shows what type of people we are dealing with here in this thread.
They can’t see past their own nose, and wait for you to explain things in point by point detail and if you don’t do that then you are a “dumb dumb” or if you then back track to explain to them what you meant it is “backpedaling”
it’s tiresome, I know.
I think there is some strongman and just-world narration here.
Hungary is also giving its people heft incentives for reproduction: higher taxes on single people, family cars, tax reductions for couples, and loans that are gradually forgiven for each child born.
Right, but that’s not the way people here are looking at this. They won’t be able to connect the dots because from the onset they tackled what we have said within the stupid ‘incel’ paradigm:
Quality bros will get the girls, all the other men are “lesser” so let us talk about how we can be self-improving and blah blah blah while we repeatedly tell them this is not the argument.
We have fought a good fight though even if it falls on deaf ears.
Obviously some governments are recognizing what we’ve discussed in this thread: a need for a highly productive society to have some organizing so that most people are wed up and sexual propriety. Some ethnic groups have this down pat already just by common sense and a lot of experience, like thousands of years.
You are unbelievably dumb.
No shit lol. Did you actually think there’s a possibility that they would do it? What kind of warped view do you have of Japanese society?
Lots of countries do it through the government granting financial incentives. What’s new? You’re acting like this is something out of the ordinary.
To be fair, it’s cuz guys like you show up, purely provide anecdotes, refute everyone else’s anecdotes as outliers, and STILL don’t provide substance to your argument.
It’s because he knows how to Google population numbers.
And by being in the process of industrializing and/or rapidly advancing their entire non first world society
Shit America’s been doing it my whole life.
Which country DOESNT incentive reproducing?
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@dt79
ok? so then why is it a ‘rabbit hole’
I dunno. I can’t think of any. Even China has lifted it’s One Child policy.
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isn’t that in itself a worthwhile opportunity?
It allowed me to have full conversations and get to know people before a first date. I got some basic information out of the way so that the first date wouldn’t just be the same, tired questions everyone asks on a first date, and we could just have fun already knowing a little about each other.
I got to get a feel for the other person conversationally before the first date. The vibe I got off dating sites really did match up with the person in most cases when I met them in real life. I found that to be very nice. I could tell right away if a person was actually interesting, or if they were boring. I could find out what they were looking for, what they wanted out of their current dating life. And girls could do all the same things with me.
It’s great for people with busy lives who still really want to find that special someone. In the real world, every one of the conversations I had with women who I didn’t end up meeting up with would have had to be first dates for me to learn they weren’t for me. With an app, I figured it out much more easily. I didn’t have to waste my time on a bunch of first dates that would inevitably go nowhere.
Women were generally honest about what they were looking for, who they were, etc. And even ones who were ‘bigger’ would generally say ‘hey by the way, I’m a big girl, these are flattering pictures. I don’t want you to get the wrong impression, fitness is obviously a big thing for you’. Great experience all around for me.
I believe a big part of why it worked well for me was because I was very genuine and forthright in my own approach. I was honest, I was interested in real conversation, I didn’t ask stupid questions, I wasn’t pushy. Girls appreciated that. It worked well.
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