they can feel that way all they want, but the fact remains that there are men who are 2’s and women who are 2’s, and they are good matches for each other. And most often, they do find their way to each other. It’s the 2’s who think that 4’s are on their level who can’t find a ‘suitable’ mate. They simply don’t have an honest self-image. If a person thinks to his core that he’s better than, or more attractive than, the women who are actually on his level, he’s gonna have a damn hard time.
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Isn’t that just how it normally works, though?
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Actually the red pill refers to the matrix. The direct implication is people who didn’t take the red pill are brainwashed and not in control of their own actions/thoughts.
If he didn’t need to improve himself, he’d have been able to find a mate.
Which would mean every single man in history was an incel at some point.
Which would mean being an incel is actually just a phase of someone’s life.
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I don’t think the term incel can be taken to mean just literally what the words mean in the dictionary. It’s real-world usage is something other than simply ‘not having a mate but wanting a mate’. It’s use in the english language today is directly related to the incel community on the internet, and it has connotations of unfairness and injustice for men, specifically, associated with it. As far as I’m aware, it doesn’t get applied to women.
Also, I don’t see Brick’s situation as being involuntarily celibate in the first place. I met brick. If it was actually his goal to simply be having intercourse, dating, etc, he could have just lowered his standards and done so. The idea of the incel is that this isn’t an available option. The incel is a person who believes that society has deemed him unfit for sexual contact with the opposite sex.
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I have no idea what the whole incel thing is… All I know is, you’re born single and you remain that way until you find a partner and, in many cases (and the way it should be imo), that person makes you a better person in some meaningful way.
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Yeah. It’s called being 13 years old. You want the sex… but nobody wants to have it with you. Ya grow out of it. Lmao.
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100% agree. But if brick is using that logic I can’t see why he would think incel is in any way something that needs to be addressed. Per how he sees it, it’s applied to every male in history that eventually wound up with a family.
I always thought of incels as the guy who CANT grow out of it. Seeing brick call himself a past incel definitely is a head scratcher
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Unless you’re a sociopathic, mean burn victim… even then you can get better. These are just depressed guys with an echo chamber who have lost hope at getting better.
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If incel actually is a ‘forever’ title, then I never was one. But by the way I interpret it is more along the lines of what basement says here:
That would describe me accurately enough as a teenager. I didn’t kiss a girl until I was 17, and didn’t have sex until 19. And neither of those things were things I wanted. AND it wasn’t because I had high standards, lol. I simply didn’t understand male/female interaction on a very basic level. I was petrified of women, and I didn’t think I was fit to be with any of them. I wonder what I would have done if, when I was 16, I had landed on a forum that told me my condition was permanent, and that there were others like me, doomed to be this way forever and ever, and that society made it so. That I was oppressed, a victim of the world of selfies and tinder and THOTS. I tend to think I wouldn’t have embraced that philosophy, but I don’t KNOW that I wouldn’t have. That shit could have ruined my life. I could have ended up complacent, hating everything around me. Hating women, blaming them for my short comings. So I’m certainly glad I didn’t have that in my life when things were bad.
It’s really a basic human thing, to externalize blame, right? It’s a major component of how dictators come to power, right?
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OK, I’ll take that. Perhaps I was being too literal. Though I admit I was starting to get down on myself and down generally during that period of my life. It was a depressing time for me. I didn’t think I was entitled to anything. I didn’t think I was special. I had met women, some short term relationships that didn’t work out, and so on. I was simply seeing my aspiration for a marriage and family becoming more bleak. If ask myself “where did I go wrong here?” I tbink its a normal question for a 30 year old guy who wants a family but doesn’t see the start of it in sight. That was a lousy feeling. I made sure to keep that depressing feeling hidden from women, thankfully because that would have made matters worse.
So maybe I just have a soft spot for some other guys.
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Fair enough 
You were correct in thinking that. We earn our mates. We’re never entitled to one.
Imo at 30 and still single, it becomes even stranger that these men struggle to look at themselves as the potential problem.
Not speaking of you ofc, but the general trend of the incel label.
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Such people would, in turn, not be involuntarily celibate. Sex is not a thing that they are owed, therefore they are not involuntarily denied it.
Untrue though; you volunteered to want those things. Your desires are voluntary desires. Needs are things that are denied.
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Almost all negative outcomes come from people not taking personal responsibility and owning their lives.
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But what if free will is an illusion?
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As a caveat, free will is strictly an internal phenomenon meaning it originates from within. Do you agree?
To answer your question: why would it matter? If I believe I have, and exercise, my free will, but I, in reality, do not have free will and my decisions and actions are always and forever dictated by Nature, the Universe, God, external factors, what have you, what does it matter if I believe I am acting autonomously and under my own inner direction? Are you or anyone else able to prove the reality of the situation beyond a shadow of a doubt?
I’d much rather pretend to take control of myself and my life, i.e. exercise what I believe to be free will, than what amounts to the opposite and waste time not pretending to make choices and actions, regardless of how they’re influenced, either internally or externally, that produce (a) positive (desirable in that these actions remove or diminish the occurrences of undesirable things per my (predetermined??) preferences) result(s).
my question to you: what if it’s not?
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Oh my GOD. Summary, please? Someone, anyone?
Why would it matter if time isn’t linear?
Explain to me why you think time, linear or not, is associated with free will? Would free will be affected if our understanding of time were different? How?
If I agree, is it because I have the free will to do so, or do outside forces compel me to agree?
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Look over the horizon, dipshit!
(I’m joking! I’m joking!)
@Basement_Gainz and I got into something about predestination in another thread when I jokingly brought up The Godfather and Japanese cartoons. Which is why I wrote " @Basement_Gainz doesn’t believe in Nietzsche" earlier in this thread.
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