I also feel like sharing the time honored joke of polling a philosophy class and saying “Who here doesn’t believe in free will: raise your hands” and watching the cognitive meltdown.
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Socratic Answer: All I know is that I don’t know. Did I choose not to know? What do you find illusory about free will?
Platonic answer: Free Will in this world is only a mere shadow of how it should be in the realm of forms.
Aristotilean answer: Control yourself, then control your will.
Buddha answer: deny the self, no will is better then free will.
Nietzsche answer: I’m far too superior to be bothered by your questions peasant.
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Well that escalated quickly
Exactly
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I would have also accepted “WILL TO POWER!”
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All this time I assumed Zeno was just a half assed ascetic … turns out he read Aristotle
All wrong.
Japanese cartoon answer: God is in His heaven. All’s right with the world.
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And nobody knows why.
I already threw my hat in the ring, I made my bold predictions on why, none of you agree with it, but some scientists at least do in some parts.
I can take about a 100 different quotes from this article and apply it to what I have been saying, where as I kinda put most of the blame on the female side, they spread it out across both genders, but since I still see women as the gatekeepers to sex, I tend to still think they hold more responsibility than men in this regard but hey what do I know
The conversation proceeded to why soup-bringing relationships weren’t more common. “You’re supposed to have so much before you can get into a relationship,” one woman offered. Another said that when she was in high school, her parents, who are both professionals with advanced degrees, had discouraged relationships on the grounds that they might diminish her focus. Even today, in graduate school, she was finding the attitude hard to shake. “Now I need to finish school, I need to get a practice going, I need to do this and this, and then I’ll think about love. But by 30, you’re like, What is love? What’s it like to be in love? ”
Simon, a 32-year-old grad student who describes himself as short and balding (“If I wasn’t funny,” he says, “I’d be doomed”), didn’t lack for sex in college. (The names of people who talked with me about their personal lives have been changed.) “I’m outgoing and like to talk, but I am at heart a significant nerd,” he told me when we spoke recently. “I was so happy that college had nerdy women. That was a delight.” Shortly before graduation, he started a relationship that lasted for seven years. When he and his girlfriend broke up, in 2014, he felt like he’d stepped out of a time machine.
Before the relationship, Tinder didn’t exist; nor did iPhones. Simon wasn’t particularly eager to get into another serious relationship right away, but he wanted to have sex. “My first instinct was go to bars,” he said. But each time he went to one, he struck out. He couldn’t escape the sense that hitting on someone in person had, in a short period of time, gone from normal behavior to borderline creepy. His friends set up a Tinder account for him; later, he signed up for Bumble, Match, OkCupid, and Coffee Meets Bagel.
He had better luck with Tinder than the other apps, but it was hardly efficient. He figures he swiped right—indicating that he was interested—up to 30 times for every woman who also swiped right on him, thereby triggering a match. But matching was only the beginning; then it was time to start messaging. “I was up to over 10 messages sent for a single message received,” he said. In other words: Nine out of 10 women who matched with Simon after swiping right on him didn’t go on to exchange messages with him. This means that for every 300 women he swiped right on, he had a conversation with just one. Unless you are exceptionally good-looking, the thing online dating may be best at is sucking up large amounts of time.
At first, I wondered whether Simon was being overly genteel, or a little paranoid. But the more people I talked with, the more I came to believe that he was simply describing an emerging cultural reality. “No one approaches anyone in public anymore,” said a teacher in Northern Virginia. “The dating landscape has changed. People are less likely to ask you out in real life now, or even talk to begin with,” said a 28-year-old woman in Los Angeles who volunteered that she had been single for three years
holy shit guys this journalist is observing things in the real world with no fucking citations!!! Like, wtf does she mean by “emerging reality” T-Nation get her ass yo!!!
I mentioned to several of the people I interviewed for this piece that I’d met my husband in an elevator, in 2001. (We worked on different floors of the same institution, and over the months that followed struck up many more conversations—in the elevator, in the break room, on the walk to the subway.) I was fascinated by the extent to which this prompted other women to sigh and say that they’d just love to meet someone that way. And yet quite a few of them suggested that if a random guy started talking to them in an elevator, they would be weirded out. “ Creeper! Get away from me ,” one woman imagined thinking. “Anytime we’re in silence, we look at our phones,” explained her friend, nodding
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You are so, so, SO not good at this.
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Good at what? did I deny you were wrong ? If I say “social media is a problem” do I somehow not mean smartphones are part of that problem as well ?
should we have to point out that PCs are a problem because gamers play games on them? like isn’t that already implied?
Jesus Christ stop trying so hard.
Saying “no one knows” and being incredulous when it’s a point that’s already been brought up.
Then quit asking me to explain things 
Well, no, nobody does know why for sure. This is the point of the article, it explores different reasons. It does what we have been trying to do in here, besides all the dumb bashing you guys do.
that’s a crucial distinction, dontcha think? If scientists are ‘spreading it across both genders’, they do not agree with the fundamental issue most have taken with your points.
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I don’t fully blame one gender, just to be clear. I simply think women are MORE to blame. =)
EDIT: And by that I do not mean they are 100% responsible because I do believe they are manipulated by social structures and dynamics not fully understood at the moment. I’m not in the mood to debate those things however, too philosophical for my taste right now.
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What? Holy shit a journalist wrote that? You mean a journalist, as in JOURNALIST? Like the journalists who write words and shit? And it’s not just a journalist, it’s THIS journalist? Guys, we got it all wrong! Women bad! BAD!
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I admire your dedication to talking out of both sides of your mouth, but it’s become too transparent at this point.
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So @greenboy , if you had been saying stuff like what i just quoted here, from the start, I doubt you would have found any disagreement in this thread. What you quoted from the article is absolutely spot on. I had the exact same experience in my life. When I got married, tinder wasn’t a thing. EHarmony and Match existed, but they weren’t the ‘norm’. When I met my ex wife, I was meeting girls at bars the way people used to. I got divorced, and it took me very little time to realize my previous lifestyle, the way I met girls before, simply would no longer work. I would go to bars, and the only people by themselves were glued to their phones, and presumably waiting on a tinder date to show up.
So yea, this is an observation I can definitely agree with having seen firsthand. And it is so far removed from basically everything you’ve said here, because you’ve made gender the primary focus of all your points.
So that being said, I liked the new dating landscape. The structure of internet dating is very user friendly, and it allows you to potentially choose from thousands of women to meet. Do you have to swipe on literally 100+ women every day? Yep. But that really doesn’t take that much time. If you’re just going to meet girls at bars, like in the old days (lol), you’re forced to pick from what’s in front of you that night. It’s so limited. AND you have to embrace the drinking scene, which I don’t anymore. Online dating was so much better for me than that. I got to date girls I already knew were interested in me and I was interested in them, I knew a few things about them before the first date, and I didn’t have to meet at a bar.
People just don’t use dating apps well, and that’s why they have such a bad image to some people. It’s just a basic platform for conversation and information sharing, at the end of the day.
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out of curiosity do you post shirtless pics? I ask because well, clearly you are a fitness conscious person and you also take pics of yourself. How many guys are good at taking selfies? I’d imagine most guys aren’t.
the brief experience I’ve had with online dating I always found the women to be a level or two below what they presented themselves as. The women always use the ‘tricks’ to make themselves look super good looking. it is so goddamn disingenuous that I don’t even know why they do it and I’ve heard with all the new filters this has gotten so much worse.
And frankly I think you guys still focused too heavily on my language at first. Yeah, I blasted your ‘average American female’ , I agree, harsh. But my points were still valid from a guys perspective. Take some of the quotes… not only are you getting a woman that may be socially awkward to men, and the dating world, what are the chances she took care of herself physically with her career seeking goals? That was always my stance.
There’s nothing surprising at all in that piece. I’m not sure why you reposted it?
you read it all already? it was a long piece @anon50325502 hmmmmm