In all seriousness though. Do we all really come off to you as completely disengaged with the world around us? Do you really believe that almost everyone participating in this thread is either too stupid to recognize things that, in your mind, are basic, obvious facts about the world, or that we simply aren’t paying enough attention to see them? Nobody in this thread comes across like that to me. You’ve been talking to people who do have the capacity to put together good arguments, people who are well educated, people who interact with society at large on a daily basis. It just seems disingenuous for you to characterize your opinions as being ones that we could all see the same as you if we just paid a little attention.
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I very much get an “allegory of the cave” feeling.
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I was just thinking about the realm of forms and the impossibility of transmitting your own personal revelation of the forms to anyone else(@greenboy 's frustration).
Then I remembered what an absolutely talented writer and piss-poor philosopher Plato was.
Either that or he’s gaslighting us.
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No, this thread is going to assume someone who isn’t a parent can’t be a professional at parenting. You really can’t read well can you.
edit: fwiw, obviously wasn’t referencing you. breath through nose
Lol, no kidding.
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This got a geniune laugh out of me. Thank you for filling the void Zeppelin left.
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The real problem with today’s men is piss poor self evaluation. Imo that stems 90% of what gb and brick talk about. Men thinking they’re 6s at life when they’re clearly 2s.
It would happen to women more, but let’s be honest society can point out their flaws just fine.
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This is a pretty profound point. I like it. One of my favorite articles was “6 Harsh Truths that Will Make you a Better Person” by David Wong, and I feel it touched a bit on this.
I feel that there are more radicalized pockets of men reassuring themselves that they’re fine and it’s society that is wrong vs the other way around too. I’ve heard of redpill, blackpill, incel, etc etc, and haven’t much seen the female equivalent. I suppose there’s always been the pocket of “radical feminism”, but even that seems smaller, and more willing to be opposed.
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I think there’s always been these men. The internet just gave them a way to collect in a chat room so they think they have numbers. They do not.
Imo that’s a biproduct of thousands of years of repressing women. The reality is they had the exact same concept, but in reverse. For years, being told they were 2s instead of 6s.
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Every construction site, machine shop and oil rig has one. That guy that piqued in high school and is fat and bald now. Constantly telling stories about how good life used to be before Reagan broke the unions or NAFTA or whatever they blame.
Same guys that have been divorced multiple times and can’t figure out why the women are nice at first then get real mean and nag (can’t be because they call their SO phrase like “nag”, “the old lady” and “cunt”).
These are the same guys that last developed a new job skill 25 years ago and bitch when young guys busting their ass make lead.
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Red pill simply refers to a harsh truth. Black pill refers to an acceptance of such a truth or the realization of no solution or a grim solution.
The terms seems silly to some but I find them fitting. I say I’m red-pilled but I’m functioning fine. Several of my friends are doing just fine personally too, in some cases I’d say great—that is, they don’t have grievances against society considering their own situations, because, after all, they’re doing good—but have serious concerns about the current state of affairs and where we are headed.
Also, not every incel, a man having a hard time finding a mate, is some aggrieved misfit who needs to greatly improve himself.
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I feel any person who has deemed themselves “involuntarily celibate” is definitely in need of great self-improvement.
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Why do you feel that way?
It’s actually possible for a person to have no overwhelming flaws and to be rejected by many women he encounters, for whatever reason, or simply not finding a good fit. There is luck and probability and degree of social exposure.
There are also defects that one can’t change as well.
I think there is some just-world bias occurring in the thread.
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As a misanthrope, I cannot accept this premise.
It operates off a premise that finding human companionship is something owed, rather than earned.
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There’s something else going on here in the mating world: sexual attraction. Some incels don’t even think they are attractive enough to find a woman, which has nothing to do with a feeling of entitlement.
Of course we can think companionship should be earned on reasonable premises. But last I checked there are some reprehensible people with plenty of friends and women.
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Almost as though that lack of reprehensibleness is not a defining quality in earning the companionship of other humans…
Society has rules and norms. Always has. Learning how to operate within those norms and rules is how one maneuvers through society. If one wishes to have their own set of values separate from those of society, that’s more than fine, but to lament when society does not reward them for these values is lacking significant self-awareness.
Once again, the article by Wong I referenced talked about this. “I’m a nice guy”. Cool: what else you got?
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Is that referenced above? I’ll have to scroll up.
I said before some don’t feel owed or deserving.
In a literal sense I was incel before I met my wife. I wanted to find a woman to marry and start a family. So I wanted something I didn’t have. That is, my situation was involuntary. I wasn’t voluntarily single. After some time I met my wife, with no improvements in myself. I actually improved after meeting her.
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