but that wasn’t the point of the post. it wasn’t to prove anything . you guys think I should be writing a dissertation on the subject ? really? is that what you’re waiting for?
let me save you all the trouble - I’m not giving anyone an essay on this topic. We can shoot the shit, I will free flow or free write my thoughts, whatever, and you can debate them and call me crazy. But stop pretending that this is some type of college course and you’re going to get graphs and citations because in the end none of you are really going to pay much attention to them anyway. @BrickHead posted two videos, and a few links, I think maybe one of you watched them.
That’s fine, but you shouldn’t be confused when no one takes your personal opinion on the topic seriously.
I watched both of @BrickHead videos and wrote like 7 paragraphs about the Carlson one. Yang only talks specifically about men for about 10 seconds in the second video.
Sorry not sorry some of us like to go beyond the feelz during these types of conversations.
You certainly are welcome to “free flow” and “free write” your thoughts.
We certainly are welcome to say that we do not agree, whether that is based simply on our own personal observations, hard data, both, or neither.
If you decline to provide further evidence that what you state is happening is, in fact, happening, I don’t see how you expect others who do not see the same thing to be persuaded that your position is the correct one.
Sure, it’s just an online forum, and people can say whatever they want, but that doesn’t mean the others have to believe you.
Remember, that’s the PROBLEM. We’re all such HIGH ACHIEVERS that we don’t understand the struggles of AVERAGE MEN trying to get AVERAGE WOMEN to keep themselves in shape and make us sandwiches. Or, something like that.
I’ll take this. We’re also going to disagree because of the type of societies we want. I’ve gotten some pushback simply because I’ve offered ideas that are unpopular. I know most in here don’t like them. That’s fine.
I’m sure one can see that there is an anti-male trend going on for quite some time? For a long time ordinary, especially married, men are portrayed in films as powerless squares and chumps. Ever watch the show The View? @greenboy Even my former psychologist noticed the trend.
Much appreciated. As someone with very limited understanding of real science, I find the majority of my understanding has to be accomplished through analogy, haha.
I don’t think the trend is anti-male. I think the trend is to raise women to equal status as men with some unintended consequences that are detrimental to men, generally. Couple that with external influences (job displacement, housing bubble, etc…) and the trend becomes a scapegoat for failure and an easy target for blame.
You keep making it about you, even when Brick doesn’t.
Making it about you and projecting. I’ve given you the best I can, rather than lowering the quality and continuing it’s better to just stop
Making it about me serves my purpose since I’m interested in mysticism, but I go about it in a very different set of ways. Immediately relevant, I can’t imagine making it about me and then complaining about others doing the same - repeatedly, no less
When someone beats a rug with a stick, he is not beating the rug – his aim is to get rid of the dust. Your inward is full of dust from the veil of ‘I’-ness, and that dust will not leave all at once. With every cruelty and every blow, it departs little by little from the heart’s face, sometimes in sleep and sometimes in wakefulness.
tbh, this sitcom formula is boring and irritating af. I won’t watch them. The men are stupid oafs and the women are shrews; King of Queens is a good example as well as Everyone Loves Raymond. They lack any kind of originality.
Men tend to be over-emotional, usmccds. It’s no use trying to use reason with them, they just become shrill. I’ve observed this in no less than 100% of the over-emotional men I’ve encountered, so if you want hard facts, there they are.
I think to me the point is not about whether there are problems in our culture - there are always going to be problems and negative trends, and you’re right that there are some in this time of flux - but rather what to do about it.
In my opinion, the goal is to be or become someone who can thrive in any sort of relatively free society with dignity and integrity. Which to me would suggest that rather than hate women* or their place in society, you build the best possible life for yourself and then reach back, as Tim McGraw suggests in Humble and Kind, to help the next one in line. That we all thrive is the goal; to wish that half of our population be punished for whatever injustice we perceive is not the path to peace or good living.
You seem to have come to this conclusion for yourself, Brick, and appear to be happy and comfortable in your life. Why support someone younger in feeling rage rather than working to accomplish whatever’s needed to acquire contentment?
To revile men as a feminist or angry SJW, which I’m certainly equipped to do with evidence to support whatever bitterness I wish to nurture, makes for a cold bed and a sad life. Better instead to find someone who will prioritize both his own well being and mine. In return I will prioritize his well being at the same level as I do my own. Who cooks is the one home when it’s time to cook dinner, and who cleans up is both of us and whatever children are present. Communism works poorly as a cultural or political system, but it works very well in a family consisting of well-intentioned, hard-working people. We move comfortably in and out of traditional gender roles, with me largely in charge of the interior of the house and him in charge of the outside and mechanical systems. However, if cleaning needs to be done on a Saturday morning, we become modern task-sharers. It’s not that hard. Despite our advanced ages, I don’t think either of us has ever experienced anything different.
*THOT? Really? When (if?) you use the term, @BrickHead and @greenboy, do you mean “that ho over there” or “thirsty ho over there”? If “thirsty,” what do you mean?
From memory (I’m a long way removed from this world these days), most of science is models and analogies. Stories that allow us to wrap our heads around what’s really happening and predict behaviours.
I’m not sure why you are asking me what THOT is, I’ve never used the word and don’t know what the true definition is either.
The first time I heard “thirsty” used was at the gym though, a guy said “look at all these thirsty dudes in here” when this very good looking fit girl walked. in. Sure enough when I looked up, yeah, the look on these guys’ faces was funny.
There is a clear anti-male agenda lately. It is in plain site. We can argue about why this has occurred, or what has made it so much more aggressive and open, was it Trump? the Metoo movement? or whatever else, but there has been a clear bias, they don’t even hide it now.
By raising women to be equal to men I’ve seen discriminatory behavior on various levels. Is it prevalent nation wide? I don’t know, don’t ask me for fucking statistics on the matter, but I have noticed women getting positions they should have never got, and a clear agenda to make sure to hire more women even if they aren’t as qualified.
My brother in law is in the police force. If a woman applies, and can pass all her requirements, she’s in. No waiting in line or multiple rejections like most of the men that apply around here. And if you’re a minority and a woman? Pffffft, they’ll get you in there and make sure to pay for your academy in a heart beat. Meanwhile, my friend had to wait almost 7 years! 7 fucking years! He just got hired 3 years ago.
Yeah, everyone has noticed. At least every guy I speak to IRL has.
For whatever weird reason some of the guys in this thread think they’re doing something noble rejecting even the notion of it. Maybe a lot of them are in the boondocks surrounded by wife beaters and dead beats?
