Have You Ever Beta Orbited a Girl

[squating_bear]

@greenboy

So you conduct yourself based on how others see you? I’m not sure I’d want to be like that.
That’s very… onlineyish. Social media mentality.

But maybe I misunderstood you

Yes, in short

You don’t seem to have understood me

Yes, I do conduct myself in a manner that takes into consideration how others will perceive me - but that wasn’t my point.
That post you’re criticizing is probably the best I have or ever will make, seriously. Now I can rest in a deeper way, thank you for the opportunity to release it. Happy to discuss it further, but no detectable need, currently

[squating_bear]

@polo77j

You project your own meanings into what I say

Not even close, hombre. We can only interpret what you mean because you fail to define anything in no uncertain terms. It falls back, again, to your inability to successfully communicate your ideas.

Why is it not even close? It seems true, even if the rest of your post is as well.

So if we were to analyze the situation without ascribing blame, how is the portion which you quoted mutually exclusive from the body of your post?

Help me please

[Basement_Gainz]

It’s pretty simple for me really. First of all I just read what the redpillers had to say. I never said I endorsed all their views.

As mentioned they have some valid points that being a guy can be tough. The thing is, it has always been difficult to be male in certain ways. Parents have always had less sympathy for boys showing sadness. Young boys have often had to wrestle and fistfight just to be part of the group. Men fought in wars throughout history. Etc…

The thing is, nothing has really changed. Life is hard, for everyone. You can whine about it, or go to work to get what you want.

We live in a world built by men for men. Fucking enjoy it man!

[BrickHead]

@Basement_Gainz

We live in a world built by men for men. Fucking enjoy it man!

A profound but simple statement. And with it, one might ask why a society would crap over its own men.

[T3hPwnisher]

@BrickHead

why a society would crap over its own men.

Because punching down is poor form.

[pfury]

@BrickHead

And with it, one might ask why a society would crap over its own men.

Success is relative in the modern age. Manipulating the totem poll is a tale older than mankind.

The men getting shit on just haven’t figured out how to play the game

[BrickHead]

Some truth there.

[T3hPwnisher]

If anyone is curious, we are just rehashing Nietzsche’s “Genealogy of Morals” right now.

[greenboy]

This is admirable, and part of my point. Women will shit on you these days for doing what you gotta do.

For others in here it’s simply ok for them to do that because of the value proposition. At other times this was ok, because the chances of upward mobility were there, these days? the future? people are worried that won’t be there. And what happens if it is not?

[greenboy]

@anon50325502

@flipcollar

Only a waste of time because I think most of us would actually agree with that. It’s a demonstrable truth.

What you wrote may be demonstrably true, but comparing a “decent job” at $40k to an $80k job requiring a graduate degree is about as logical as 95% of this thread.

Coming out of grad school during the economic crisis might have actually been worse for you, actually it was worse because there were a ton of qualified and overqualified people being underemployed. And most coming out of grad school with that level of debt did not expect to go work for 40k lol

[greenboy]

@Basement_Gainz

We live in a world built by men for men. Fucking enjoy it man!

I’m not sure this is where we are heading but ok. I enjoy as much as I can, not sure why this is still about me.

[dt79]

@T3hPwnisher

If anyone is curious, we are just rehashing Nietzsche’s “Genealogy of Morals” right now.

@Basement_Gainz doesn’t believe in Nietzsche.

[pfury]

@greenboy

Coming out of grad school during the economic crisis might have actually been worse for you, actually it was worse because there were a ton of qualified and overqualified people being underemployed.

This is all undeniably true. The crash was a hella rough time for college grads. Most estimates of the effect are 5+ years of lost career value.

[Basement_Gainz]

@dt79

doesn’t believe in Nietzsche.

You can’t go wrong with an ideology that states that some humans are so superior to others they can move beyond the quaint notions of morals and laws.

Yep. Don’t see any potential problems there.

Ubermensch!

[T3hPwnisher]

This is why I advocate for solipsism.

[dt79]

Unless that’s from The Godfather, I have no idea what it is.

[T3hPwnisher]

It’s how you treat Godfather III

[greenboy]

@flipcollar

you’d have to be more specific… I’m 35, I finished college spring 2006. And yes I know it was brutal. A close friend graduated in 2007 with an electrical engineering degree, and he waited tables for quite awhile before he found anything else. That’s why I mentioned that you can always get a job to get you by rather than just being unemployed. I believe that working a low paying job straight out of college makes you look a whole lot better than simply not working at all because you haven’t found the work you want. There will ALWAYS be fast food jobs, jobs waiting tables, working in customer service, etc. So in summary, yes I’m aware that finding a job at some points is more difficult than at others. So, overcome the difficulties. That’s where you can really show who you are.

Most recruiters at that time advised against just getting any job, unless absolutely necessary… as in, you’re going to be homeless.

@flipcollar

I hope you’re not applying this to me. I have been very candid about my history. That I absolutely did not start out with my physique, my income, my personality, etc. I was a hard drug addict at 21. I went through rehab to better myself, overcome my demons. Been clean since 22.

I suspect most of you have this type of background, because a lot of you proudly beat your chests and throw your own personal achievements when no one asked for them.

@flipcollar

Only a waste of time because I think most of us would actually agree with that. It’s a demonstrable truth. The last 20 years have seen huge shifts in starting pay in a whole lot of fields. The more profitable degrees have changed. You won’t see me argue with that fact.

Then how can you not agree that as this has shifted, and women have shifted in the other direction, this may not present a problem ?

@flipcollar

You can feel bad for me, but all I’m saying is that I strive to be the best version of myself I can be. And I’m not burdened by immense stresses.

Well then that’s good I guess?

@flipcollar

Don’t feel sorry for me. I do what I want. I grew my beard out for a fucking year, I wear jeans and a t shirt to work every day, I’ve competed in a strongman world championship, I’m traveling to Australia to compete in June. I have the opportunity to share all these things with the people around me who I love dearly. I’m doing exactly what the fuck I want. These aren’t societal pressures. I’m not a typical American. I’m just doing me.

That is absolutely amazing. Good for you, you may not think you’re not a typical American but you sure as hell sound like one.

@flipcollar

I largely agree with you on this… I rarely ask people what they do for work. I’d rather know what they do for fun. Most people don’t have an interesting job, and I won’t remember what they told me in 5 minutes anyway. That being said, if someone has a super cool job that they’re passionate about, I’d love to hear about it. And generally, they’d love to talk about it. Basically I’m saying, I’d like to converse about the things that matter to a person, whatever they are.

Clearly it’s not considered rude here, but on the other hand, it is rude to ask what someone’s income is. I don’t believe I’ve ever shared, or been asked specifically about my income by anyone other than a close friend.

You agree with me a ton here, and yet what are we arguing about again?

@flipcollar

interesting. so if the average men are dating below average women, then are the above average men dating average women? And then the great men are presumably dating just above average women? And the great women are just single? Just trying to follow where the logic follows, or if there is a break at some point where the playing field evens out. If men are dating down at the ‘lower levels’, then presumably there is SOME group of women somewhere above this, and some group of me below this, who are just SOL.

I think work culture amongst women have ruined a majority of them, everyone will call me crazy but that is what I believe.

@flipcollar

Dallas. Yea man, Dallas women are beautiful. Texas in general, really.

Hm, yeah I’ll admit Texas isn’t somewhere I frequent often.

[anon50325502]

@greenboy

@anon50325502

@flipcollar

Only a waste of time because I think most of us would actually agree with that. It’s a demonstrable truth.

What you wrote may be demonstrably true, but comparing a “decent job” at $40k to an $80k job requiring a graduate degree is about as logical as 95% of this thread.

Coming out of grad school during the economic crisis might have actually been worse for you, actually it was worse because there were a ton of qualified and overqualified people being underemployed. And most coming out of grad school with that level of debt did not expect to go work for 40k lol

My first job out of the Corps was 2008 and out of college was 2012. My wife 2009. I get it, the job market sucked, but that has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.

[T3hPwnisher]

@pfury

Most estimates of the effect are 5+ years of lost career value.

Why did those college grads wanna work in the first place? All that stress was gonna make them ugly!