When I first read this I agreed with about half of it, but I disliked what I considered to be the dismissive tone
After a few more readings I find nothing to disagree with
Enhancing someone’s conversational abilities long term is perhaps a byproduct of a deeper, more sincere conversation - but that wasn’t what I was getting at as a goal
Exactly
I am not going to start over after 1000 posts and have you redefine for the 30th time what you came in here saying and what you believe. I had stopped talking to you, anyway, and don’t care to anymore - you’ll just lie again about what you’ve said.
I dunno. My birthday isn’t for a few weeks.
Tnation bday.
Happy birthday weirdo
I’ll PayPal you 100 dollars if you find where I’ve ever said women should have rights revoked lol
You guys are too much. You project your own meanings into what I say based on what your idea of me is and then get angry when I attempt to explain myself.
What a way to have a conversation.
Thanks Cheech! (and I mean that with the Highest honor.)
I mean, working less and earning less…not of their own volition…kinda falls into the “right to work” category, but that’s what I mean. A thousand posts later you’re redefining what you said by asking pointed questions that will lead to lies.
It took me a long while to realize that is only what anyone is ever capable of doing. Took way longer to get comfortable with it. Still working on how to go about conducting myself in view of it
That is your projection of them, look closer
Where’s the anger you perceive actually coming from?
So you conduct yourself based on how others see you? I’m not sure I’d want to be like that.
That’s very… onlineyish. Social media mentality.
But maybe I misunderstood you
Not even close, hombre. We can only interpret what you mean because you fail to define anything in no uncertain terms. It falls back, again, to your inability to successfully communicate your ideas.
Preaching to choir bud
I’m willing to accept that explanation and do my best to clarify my points. THere’s no need to say “well you said this now you’re beholden to this forever!”
This thread, man…
No, that doesn’t fall into the rights of anything saying someone should not want to work more. The context of that conversation is in the sense that the media/cultural landscape is pushing women to strive to be career oriented above all else, I think I’ve been pretty clear on that.
I think iv’e been pretty clear in a lot of my positions. Anything further than that is others trying to inject deeper meaning or malice into what I say.
you’d have to be more specific… I’m 35, I finished college spring 2006. And yes I know it was brutal. A close friend graduated in 2007 with an electrical engineering degree, and he waited tables for quite awhile before he found anything else. That’s why I mentioned that you can always get a job to get you by rather than just being unemployed. I believe that working a low paying job straight out of college makes you look a whole lot better than simply not working at all because you haven’t found the work you want. There will ALWAYS be fast food jobs, jobs waiting tables, working in customer service, etc. So in summary, yes I’m aware that finding a job at some points is more difficult than at others. So, overcome the difficulties. That’s where you can really show who you are.
I hope you’re not applying this to me. I have been very candid about my history. That I absolutely did not start out with my physique, my income, my personality, etc. I was a hard drug addict at 21. I went through rehab to better myself, overcome my demons. Been clean since 22.
Only a waste of time because I think most of us would actually agree with that. It’s a demonstrable truth. The last 20 years have seen huge shifts in starting pay in a whole lot of fields. The more profitable degrees have changed. You won’t see me argue with that fact.
You can feel bad for me, but all I’m saying is that I strive to be the best version of myself I can be. And I’m not burdened by immense stresses.
I get the most pleasure in my life from 2 main sources: relationships with the people who are closest to me, including my son, and my weightlifting journey. I could choose to live an easier life than what I lead, but it would be far less fulfilling and enjoyable. I don’t HAVE to put my body through the stress of my workouts and competition. I WANT to. I think that distinction is important. When we shoulder burdens and stresses we don’t invite into our lives, or feel we’re forced to carry, they cause that anxiety. They don’t feel good. My ‘stresses’, if you want to call them that, aren’t a negative. I fucking love it. I love the stress I feel when I’ve got a 600 lbs yoke on my back. I love the anxiety I get the morning of a big competition. Those feelings are second to none, some of the best moments of my life, man. Same goes for my experiences with my son. Having a life to take care of is daunting. It’s difficult, there is a TON of accompanying stress, but man oh man, is the payout incredible.
Don’t feel sorry for me. I do what I want. I grew my beard out for a fucking year, I wear jeans and a t shirt to work every day, I’ve competed in a strongman world championship, I’m traveling to Australia to compete in June. I have the opportunity to share all these things with the people around me who I love dearly. I’m doing exactly what the fuck I want. These aren’t societal pressures. I’m not a typical American. I’m just doing me.
I largely agree with you on this… I rarely ask people what they do for work. I’d rather know what they do for fun. Most people don’t have an interesting job, and I won’t remember what they told me in 5 minutes anyway. That being said, if someone has a super cool job that they’re passionate about, I’d love to hear about it. And generally, they’d love to talk about it. Basically I’m saying, I’d like to converse about the things that matter to a person, whatever they are.
Clearly it’s not considered rude here, but on the other hand, it is rude to ask what someone’s income is. I don’t believe I’ve ever shared, or been asked specifically about my income by anyone other than a close friend.
interesting. so if the average men are dating below average women, then are the above average men dating average women? And then the great men are presumably dating just above average women? And the great women are just single? Just trying to follow where the logic follows, or if there is a break at some point where the playing field evens out. If men are dating down at the ‘lower levels’, then presumably there is SOME group of women somewhere above this, and some group of me below this, who are just SOL.
Dallas. Yea man, Dallas women are beautiful. Texas in general, really.
Gotcha. Well I second pfury
What you wrote may be demonstrably true, but comparing a “decent job” at $40k to an $80k job requiring a graduate degree is about as logical as 95% of this thread.
building common ground here, sir. work with me!
Man, it ALWAYS comes back to clavicle lengthening…
story of my e-life
I graduated in '87 and don’t know anyone who started in a dream job. The reality is, with an undergraduate degree, you still don’t know how to do anything. Everyone I know started a shit job at the bottom and learned how to do something. My particular brand of crap was a cashier in the service department of a Ford dealership making $14K/year. The money sucked and everyone was pissy because they were getting their car repaired.
Those who graduated expecting otherwise had the wind knocked out of their sails.