Has The Steroid Forum Benefited You? ATTN: Gregus

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I’ve learned the hard way, and the nice way from so many difft vets. Different in tone, intelligence, and manner, yet all having one thing in common. They TRY to help. Sometimes they’re right on the money, most of the time they’re close to that, sometimes they’re off the mark.

I’m very happy to have made some great friends over the years here.
I respect all of the guys here now, that have their heads on straight, even some whom I have probably offended at times of course. Lot of good points being made here, so I don’t need to add much else. There’s gonna always be good and bad, at some point it ends up being in the posters hands whether or not to take information as solid, or dismiss it as anal. So while the help is there, the op has to be somewhat ready for game time upstairs to properly assimilate the right from the wrong.

Cheers to all of the vets here!

Btw, I’ve been gone, what happened to our old boy Brook? You can’t be serious that he finally had his fill of the bs did he?

Ciao.

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[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Why Bonez, that’s the sweetest thing you’ve ever said about me!

I don’t actually have a super penis. I have a very average penis. It was around 6inches at the beginning of this year, but i’ve taken to jelqing which DOES WORK, and now i’m cruising at 6.5inches. I’m hoping the collagen promotion of testosterone and my jelqing will see me inching towards 7/7.5 which is my target. Jelqing DOES work, everybody check out Cheeky Cherry forums. I tried to do it three times a week on strength training days cos i’m too tired after conditioning work outs.[/quote]

You fucker. You actually have me genuinely laughing at this post.

The reason you get called out, I’ve said it before, Borat, is not because we fear your ideas because they challenge our worldview. Sorry to burst your bubble. It’s because of these kinds of weird posts which, if stated in good company at, say, a dinner party, would have everyone’s eyes darting, laughing politely through their teeth as they searched for the nearest fire exit.

You get points for just this one though. I actually did lol. I hope that really was your intent…

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Goddamnit… :slight_smile: Fair enough Bonez, fair enough.

WTF is jelqing? I could use this to go from my embarassing 4 inches to perhaps modest average 5.5 inches?? Shit, now I am just encouraging ‘him’

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Why Bonez, that’s the sweetest thing you’ve ever said about me!

I don’t actually have a super penis. I have a very average penis. It was around 6inches at the beginning of this year, but i’ve taken to jelqing which DOES WORK, and now i’m cruising at 6.5inches. I’m hoping the collagen promotion of testosterone and my jelqing will see me inching towards 7/7.5 which is my target. Jelqing DOES work, everybody check out Cheeky Cherry forums. I tried to do it three times a week on strength training days cos i’m too tired after conditioning work outs.[/quote]

You fucker. You actually have me genuinely laughing at this post.

The reason you get called out, I’ve said it before, Borat, is not because we fear your ideas because they challenge our worldview. Sorry to burst your bubble. It’s because of these kinds of weird posts which, if stated in good company at, say, a dinner party, would have everyone’s eyes darting, laughing politely through their teeth as they searched for the nearest fire exit.

You get points for just this one though. I actually did lol. I hope that really was your intent…[/quote]

Oh no, not because MY ideas are challenging. I’m not really that bothered about the way you lot are to me, and most of the times i’m humble and i’ll be the first to admit that i know very little on this subject, and have contributed very little to the body of knowledge, except the odd hair loss/dopamine related post.

No i was generally saying the way i see other guys who are new but still seem to know a lot get shot down sometimes because people can be cliquey and status seeking.

Otherwise, as a n00b, i’ve had a ton of help without ever being criticised for “lack of research” or anything else - that’s cos i know how to handle you lot. tee hee.

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I would like the vets to remain the way they are, usually it is the ignorance and\or arrogance of certain posters that would make some of you guys into “assholes”. I rather find it entertaining when someone gets put in their place and still gets the information they wanted\need. It seems to be more of a “tough love” kind of response a lot of the time, kind of like shape up or get out. Even still, some of you respond kindly to both ignorant and aggrogant posters, then I get disappointed :(, lol.

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This forum helped quite a lot when I first decided to use AAS. The input the vets gave was extremely helpful in verifying and/or debunking the research i did on my own before I put it into action. The core group of contributors has changed over the years, but it’s easy to tell who knows their shit, and who is simply full of shit.

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I’m not in the position to be considering AAS right now and this forum has been very important in helping me understand that. I’m just about finished reading all of the stickies and the knowledge here is incredibly helpful. When I do plan on doing a cycle I hope that the veterans are still around to flame and critique it. Using AAS is a serious decision and if people can’t accept someone pointing out that they lack basic common sense then they shouldn’t being asking questions. My point is that I don’t think the level of dickishness is overboard in any way and most cycle propositions posted that appear to have been researched and formed with some forethought seem to get insightful and helpful advice.

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Some of the problems are from new guys who do not know how to read. These guys can suck you dry with questions that often are framed in a manner makes it obvious that they do not know enough to start understanding anything. We have the same problem with TRT on the over 35 forum. We have asked for a controlled access/moderated sticky [or forum] to create a coherent body of knowledge, but nothing has happened. Stickies get hijacked by new guys who effectively decay the stickies into a general forum. We could do a better job with “improved tools”. If we could steer new guys to higher quality information, we would all benefit.

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This forum has helped me immensely. I’d say this site has helped me with 1/2 my knowledge, and the other half split between my schooling and books to fill in the gaps. I don’t really get flamed either, since the information I need is already there, and 99% of the time doesn’t need to be made into a thread.

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Yes it has benefited me enormously - it has increased my knowledge of AS use to the nth degree. The experience and knowledge here is excellent and despite the sarcasm and occasional individual with ego problems the time taken to give advice both on forums and via PM is outstanding.

This year I had shutdown quite badly and tried everything I could think of to get myself going again. In the end I PM’d a member here who gave me good info, met me in person and supplied all the info and protocols I needed to ensure I recovered. I won t mention his name as I am not sure he would appreciate it. Thanks to him I am back to normal (ha ha )

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This forum is very helpful, but not in the 'I wanna get jakked on ‘roids’ way. I know from experience that it is sometimes good to get flamed by the vets as it keeps you honest and makes you do your own research and actually do some reading instead of asking dumb questions.

There are plenty of other forums out there for the basic questions, and I can’t fault any of the senior members/vets for coming off a bit stern at times. If I had their extent of knowledge I would get tired pretty quickly with the overabundance of shitty questions on this board. So keep it up guys, your experience and guidance has helped plenty of people, whether they will admit to it or not!!

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When I was 14 or 15 or so, I went into GNC looking for TRIBEX (back when it was blue, hah) because I was an idiot and thought it would get me huge. The guy said “I can’t sell this to you unless you’re 18, but if you want to go get your mom, I could sell it to her.”

Knowing what I know now, I wish that guy had said “This isn’t what you need right now. What you need is to get your ass under the bar and in the kitchen for the next 3 years, then come back to me when you’ve gained 60lbs.”

I WISH I had someone like the vets here to tell me that back then. Like bonez said, people act differently in real life and on the internet, so I’m sure if I came on here and asked about TRIBEX, I’d have gotten all the “you’re a skinny little shit who needs squats and milk.”

In the ‘game’ of AAS, it’s a case of not knowing what you don’t know. My guess is that the majority of these ‘newbs’ that come on here and ask for cycles to be made for them wouldn’t know the first thing to do if something goes wrong (injection problems, lack of AI, no PCT, etc…) and they would come on here and make an “I fucked up” thread like we see every once in a while.

In reality, if they made a thread BEFORE they started, got berated by some vets, did their research, the problem could’ve been avoided in the first place.

I think it’s relatively funny that people on here get called dicks, when really all we’re asking is that you do some research. I bet if all new posters came on here and spent two or three weeks reading the stickies a few times over and a few dozen threads, they’d have the knowledge to come up with a “first cycle” thread that displayed some level of intelligence so that the vets/regulars wouldn’t be “dicks.”

Shit, some posters do come on here and start a dumbass thread, names are called and a ‘read the stickies’ comment is made, then a week later they come back, ask a few legitimate questions and get help.

It’s almost too easy to judge the outcome of a thread based on the first post.

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Shove oer, is my turn to suck on the collective teet of knowledge… grumble rabble rabble

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This forum has definitely helped me out A LOT! I came onhere wanting to use just orals, and I did, after lengthy discussions with among others brook. Got a bit of “tough love” but I learned a lot, and eventually guys like brook, BBB, Bill Roberts and many others have convinced me that this is BY FAR the best steroid forum I have seen.

Now, all we ned is for BBB to post up a massive GH-sticky. We must have it! We must! :slight_smile:

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This place hands down has been the best place to learn from that I have found on the net from many years of looking. There is constatly the most up to date info/concepts available to us on a day to day basis.

I personally have learned a ton from many different posters here and its the only site that ive continued to frequent for multiple years.

I first learned of this site a bunch of years ago when a buddy of mine was trying to convince me that I should do a cycle of M1Ts. With the info on this site from previous posters it was an easy choice to pass on that garbage.

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This forum has informed, amused and frustrated me for 7 years.

All the interwebz info (including athens/pubmed)needs real world use and misuse to contextualize it. Hearing about other peoples’ forays into PED land has usually left me slapping my head but sometimes makes me reconsider what is possible.

Consider when a n00b turns up and asks a ridiculous question, yes, a part of me wants to slap him but I would be lying to say I was not like that once.

Just think about that before you post. New guys, there are stickies, read them.Yes, I know new guys are probably not reading this but they should be able to figure that out for themselves.
Vets, what’s the stupidest question you ever asked? I’m willing to bet it you’re cringing just thinking about it.

Bearing in mind that no one can judge the tone of your response on the internet, many responses can be simply unhelpful. If you really want to help a n00b, being offensive is not going to change their mind. They’ll just go to biggunz.com and listen to some terrible advice that agrees with what they want to hear.

When “vets” reply it can be to help(you know who you are and a big thank you is due, THANK YOU) but sometimes it seems that they want to be seen as part of the gang that repeats “information” accepted on this site. Unless you have done a Bsc or higher in a relevant field and have lots of practical experience are you really sure you are the right person to give advice?

People making the most noise generally have the least to say.

People on other sites and in steroid books(remember them?) would preach what they “knew” like it was gospel truth, tapering stacks up and down, bridging, huge GH usage etc merely because one or two people could formulate an argument and everyone else was too lazy to think for themselves. Although that does happen here, there are generally enough folk sharp enough to point out flaws in bad ideas.

That makes this site different. It’s why I come back again and again.

Going back to that n00b asking a stupid question, like I said, generally I want to give him a verbal slap but I’m pretty sure he’ll get it without my help. Equally, if they stick around, they generally learn something because they will be pointed in the right direction.

Is being insulted the best way to learn?

Probably not.

However, if someone is put off by a little flame ,how serious can they be about this?

Taking PEDs is a serious business. If you’re going to do it, you need to spend a lot of time on it before you start and remember that there is always more to know about it. Just like with training, the longer you do it the more you think of guidelines that can be adapted rather than absolute rules.

Thank you Cortes for starting this.

And I’m spent, back to lurking for me.

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I don’t usually post, as I am more of a reader than a writer. I have been on a long vacation from this Steroids forum (and others as well), because it will be a while before even concidering a cycle again. I am of the opinion that I need to focus more on fundamentals of nutrition before wading into this pool again. My nutritional needs are changing drastically as I get closer to middle age. I feel the need to get a better grasp on the basics of what my body wants again.

I do frequent other boards for their info. But T-Nation (and the regulars/ vets), will always be “home base” for me. I am pleased to see that no matter how much other parts of this site change, the steriods forum remains true to itself. I think that the vets/ regulars, are the main guiding force here.

Also, tough love is vital to keeping people from getting hurt. I see as much harm prevention here as new info. You don’t seem to get that anywhere else. The one major thing I remember about this forum, are the occasional influx of newbs asking the same questions OVER and OVER. I can understand a vet/ regular getting a little testy when the newbs don’t read the stickys, before asking the same questions that have been asked (and patiently answered)a million times here before.

D3HT09

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I have been lurking at T-Nation since 2005. The information here and in the over 35 forum has saved my life. Through here I found a doctor that would actually try to fix me instead of putting me on Viagra and anti-depressants and calling it a day. Now that I have a bit of experience I intend to start giving back to the place that helped me so much.

I see no problems when it comes to the attitudes displayed by the members of this board. The lazy are not spoon fed and people with poorly researched stupid questions get flamed. Really, how hard is it to shut up, read the stickies, and run a search.

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balisong check PM for HGH info
Great forum compared to others. Not as much Bro-knowledge here then others

The Vets can be harsh but I would rather see that then them just ignore bad information/ideas.

I responded to a “swollen from Tren” whit the below post. I think it sums up how I feel about this board, and JS88, you do seem to start shit before you even have a clue of what you are talking about…and this post was pointed at you…
B0nzz

If you don’t like it,leave.
This is not a “starter board”. You will not be spoon feed bro-knowledge.
You will catch shit for dumb ??'s and flamed if you talk out your ass.
You will not be given a guess on what you may/should/could do.

Info given here is for people that already have a base of knowledge and come with
questions about the results of their search.
Nothing is free and you get what you pay for.

If you want bullshit bro knowledge go to another board.
You want info READ THE FUCKEN STICKIES? They have all info.

I don’t always agree with everyone on this board but I can tell you that for some strange reason they care and that’s mostly why they will not give info to just any asshole looking for a shortcut.
Gear, roids, juice what ever you want to call it, can fuck you up for the rest of your life if not done correctly.
Fuck, 1 IM shot and you don’t aspirate and hit A vain and you could die. You can do permanent damage to your body and fuck your self up FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE (t3, t4 comes to mind)

I read on 1 web site by a fucken moderator how you don’t have to aspirate before you shoot IM. From a fucken mod!!

So again, if you dont like the flames, fuck you, man up and leave. There are rules to follow to get to the golden pot.

So do we think we are better then everyone else. FUCK YA!
Read the other boards and you will see how this one is different…

And for fuck sakes don’t piss off morepain,he has forgotten more about this game then you will ever learn

And I will say again…fucken kids…

B0nzz