Hard Core Gym

Fitness Center Vs Hard Core Gym!

Question!

I’m thinking of opening a gym up where people can go and throw weights around and not get kicked out for grunting or yelling and to have a place where the main goal for a member would be to get big and strong.

Would you prefer a Hard Core Gym over a Fitness Center (YMCA, Genisis, Anytime Fitness). What would a person be willing to spend for a H/C Gym membership. Would you pay the same as you would at a fitness center? Would you expect to pay less cause there’s not the supply of elipticals, treadmills, bikes etc…? What would you want to see in your ideal gym? Any feedback would be appreciated.

Have you ever been in a gym for any length of time?

I would like this gym to blast metal and be open 24/7.

[quote]JonBlood wrote:
I would like this gym to blast metal and be open 24/7.[/quote]

I 2nd this great idea.

Rhino-

Yes I have. I’m just wandering if people would really go for the (Old School) idea or are people comfortable with a fitness center setting.

I seriously want to open one up and get away from the whole family atmoshphere. But… I don’t want to throw my life savings into something if people really don’t give a shit. We have no hard core gyms here.

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=MYaHhtluZCk

That’s exactly what I’m talking about…
I work 3:30 to Midnight so it would def be a 24 hour gym. I have a couple guys who want to go in with me but just wanted some feedback from you all on T.

I would pay to not have the aimless wanderers I have to walk around every workout. I would want to see a FEW ellipticals for warm ups, and cardio on shitty weather days. I think a gym like that would deter MOST of the “obstacles” people with carefully planned workout programs face in a family atmosphere.

DAMN I wish we had a bench with dumbbell platforms, 90% of the people at my gym don’t know how to spot with dumbbells. The last guy grabbed my wrists on my last set, and squeezed so hard I nearly lost my grip!

I think it’s a great idea if you market it correctly. My favorite gym ever is a hardcore/mma gym. It’s just power racks and dumbells with 2 other unique pieces of equipment. There is a thick pull-up bar that runs the length of the room and an assortment of bands, chains, sleds, football bars, and grip training equipment.

The rules are clearly posted on the wall where you walk in. You are encouraged to grunt, yell, lift barefoot, train shirtless…(that’s if you don’t have bacne) Metal is always blasting and the intensity is off the charts.

There are training classes that range from beginner to advanced that are included in monthly dues. You can train on your own as well, but the classes offer a unique team like environment. People definitely gravitate to the classes because of the intensity level and enthusiasm. The advanced class included mma fighters, strongman competitors, powerlifters, and various other athletes.

The monthly cost is slightly more than other gyms but people have no problem paying because of the individual attention they have access to. The coaches are legit. Hope that helps.

i throw weights and grunt anyway

the freeweight area is on the opposite end of the front desk so i usually dont get bitched at, well now that the GM is a cool dude instead of this skinny-fat fuck who used to be there.

anyway, if you want a hardcore gym, model it after the one Elite FTS has set up, they have all the great stuff for PLing but if you want to do some BBing shit too you can.

theres a hardcore gym not too far from me but i wont go b/c theres no way to train how im used to there (no machines)

Thanks guys, I appreciate your feedback. mallen5 you pretty much hit the nail on the head… I’m no personal trainer nor am I a mma fighter but did wrestle throughout school and love the idea of incorporating the mats within the gym. High intensity!!! No drama!!! Just sweat and the sound of Iron!

jermag27 I know what you mean about the spotters. That’s one of the reasons I am seriously considering opening this gym. I have had shitty workouts lately and today was even worse with all these kids out of school for spring break, fuckin nothing but posers… Lets just say that I saw it best for me to leave the gym before shit got any worse.

You shouldn’t have to shorten your workout because of posers, that’s just crappy management. I’ve also thought about the type of gym I’d open, and I’m convinced the more good 'ol solid iron you have the better.

The people that constantly get in my way tend to be afraid of squat racks, barbells, and loud music. They usually flock to machines, cables, and lighter dumbbells. Not that you shouldn’t have any of these, just not as many as you see in mainstream gyms.

The good thing is: If it’s your gym, YOU make the rules AND owe it to your patrons to enforce them.

I’ve come to the conclusion that unless you have one hell of a location, you’d have precisely three people in the gym at any given time.

Like it or not, the “fitness” centers rake 'em in and the hardcore places don’t…which is why the hardcore places (with a few exceptions here and there) have virtually ceased to exist.

Unless it’s marketed as an athletic center of some type or another, in which case you could do very well if you get some local/school teams in there at reduced rates along with some weekend warriors and recreational lifters.

People don’t want to sweat. They don’t want to hurt. They avoid hard work if at all possible and if forced to do something that resembles work they do it once and then never again because it makes them “too sore” or they don’t “want to get too big”.

They want to hop on the elliptical for 10 minutes a couple times a week, maybe do some sort of retarded superset with 20 lb dumbbells while staring at themselves in the mirror and feel good about themselves all week.

After all, they’ve exercised, right? This is literally 9/10ths of the population that even deigns to step foot in a gym in the first place.

Selling the illusion of progress to people will make you just as much money, or even more, than actually helping someone achieve their goals.

The other eight percent or so are gym rats who usually have a reasonable amount of development…and who stopped progressing years ago because they’ve been nursing the same pet routines and muscle groups for years.

So that last two percent? “Hardcore” lifters. People who actually have a goal in mind and will work day in day out to achieve it. Nice to train with, but from a business standpoint they’re (a) customers who demand the most for their money instead of meekly shelling out gym dues for a year (b) they intimidate the half-ass population and motivate the gym rats to spend even more time in the gym and (c) will dump the gym they currently use in a heartbeat if something even slightly better presents itself.

Not, hard as it may be to swallow, the ideal clientele.

In any case, the term “hardcore” seriously needs to be retired, imo. It’s been largely co-opted by the 170 lb skintight-Tapout-tee-wearing douchebag set who think their two plate bench confers Alpha Male status.

We’re lifting fucking weights here, people. Leave the whole mystical journey thing to Henry Rollins and AnimalPak, they write better ad copy.

tl:dr i like to complain about stupid people

[quote]Rp0406 wrote:
Thanks guys, I appreciate your feedback. mallen5 you pretty much hit the nail on the head… I’m no personal trainer nor am I a mma fighter but did wrestle throughout school and love the idea of incorporating the mats within the gym. High intensity!!! No drama!!! Just sweat and the sound of Iron!

jermag27 I know what you mean about the spotters. That’s one of the reasons I am seriously considering opening this gym. I have had shitty workouts lately and today was even worse with all these kids out of school for spring break, fuckin nothing but posers… Lets just say that I saw it best for me to leave the gym before shit got any worse.[/quote]

I would first start with the gym getting something set up for serious lifters and if that does good then maybe later introduce something for mma. given that you can actually find some good trainers (muay thai/boxing/judo/sambo/bjj)

i would love to join a gym like metro flex though. Imagine if you catered to powerlifters and bodybuilders. That place would be awesome. That’s how my powerhouse gym is. A guy brought in all his things for board presses, chains all that shit. You got powerlifters and bodybuilders training right next to eachother. it’s such a good atmosphere to be in.

The owner and guys who work their are some of the best people to. If I were you though I’d be jumping on some business books, whatever you can get your hands on to atleast learn a few things about running a business.

edit:lueshi might be right. It just comes down to your area. I mean do you think you could get a large enough clientel base? it’s just hard to say.

[quote]Rp0406 wrote:
Rhino-

Yes I have. I’m just wandering if people would really go for the (Old School) idea or are people comfortable with a fitness center setting.

I seriously want to open one up and get away from the whole family atmoshphere. But… I don’t want to throw my life savings into something if people really don’t give a shit. We have no hard core gyms here. [/quote]

You can always blend gym concepts but you’ll probably get the best results sticking to one main forte otherwise no one will come!

Temple Gym which was started by Dorian Yates has three target markets and different gym atmospheres and marketing strategies for each.

Basically, summed up they target 1 of 3 groups when starting a gym:

1. Executives and business people

Personal training, shorter workouts, high tech machines, etc

2. Women friendly

Machines, Classes, Day Spa, Childcare, Massage, ETC

3. Hardcore.

This type of facility is targeted towards power lifting extreme fighting, bodybuilding and professional athletics.

Obviously, you don’t have to follow these…but just some ideas.

Honestly, I asked if youve ever been in a gym for any given length of time was because you should have some ideas of what you would like to see in a gym. Put that stuff in!

Make it your own unique style and stick with it.

There are so many guys out there who want to put on size but have no idea how to do it. They don’t even know where to start. If you can create a “hardcore” gym where people can get good advice/results, then I think you can maintain a good sized membership.

There is a legitimate demand for an affordable place for skinny/fat/both guys to improve their physiques. ACE certified trainers at commercial gyms aren’t doing it. Hardcore gyms can attract some fine ass females as well. “Three months in here, and we’ll be bouncing quarters off that ass…”

Opening a hardcore gym is one of my life goals.Somewhere where lifting chalk is pushed and the ground rumbles from weights being dropped.Heavy metal blasting and no fucking flatscreens playing cnn all day instead they would play ryan kennellys road to the Arnold,pumping iron and strongman videos.

I personally would pay up to 60-70 dollars a month for a place like this.

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
I personally would pay up to 60-70 dollars a month for a place like this.[/quote]

How much do you pay for a ‘regular gym’ membership?

Mine back home was like 45 or 50 bucks a month. For what it was, it was actually a pretty good gym.

Now I’m training at one of the best gyms in the country, and I’m paying wayyy more than that a month, and it’s worth every penny.

OP, I merely skimmed the thread, so this may have been mentioned already, but try to ‘network’ with lifters.

Check local BB, PL, strongman comp’s and spread the word that you’re trying to set up a hardcore gym. See if there’s a demand for it before you invest all your money into this gym. (It’s not going to be cheap.) Get a card made up with your name, email address, and a gym name or something, explain your idea and give them a card and see how many responses you get.

If you can get a dozen guys to agree, and agree to a membership fee. Then you pay for your equipment, set it up, and start training.

Set up times to train, or just get in touch with the other guys (or girls) to train in groups, and you’ll have one of the best training environments possible.

I don’t think I’ll ever be able to go back to a regular gym. haha

There have been similar threads in the past with good responses. It would be worth your time to look.

I think you can have a good gym for fitness people as well as body builders and powerlifters. You just need to cater to both in their own areas. I workout at a Gold’s and it has a good mix of body builders and some strong man guys and gals, as well as the more typical crowd. It would be better if it had a couple of more racks and some bumper plates, but it is a pretty good gym.

I guess my suggestion is that the hard core stuff, racks/chains/bands/chalk/etc. can be there without completely alienating other potential clients.

Blaring loud music might be another story. Encourage headphones.

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
There have been similar threads in the past with good responses. It would be worth your time to look.

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Also, if you’re serious about this and not just waving your dick on the internet you should contact the owners of other similar gyms.

You also might want to talk with some of the contributors on this site. Eric Cressey and Tony Gentilcore come to mind.