Happy Marriages/Relationships

When I moved to Virginia because NY was too expensive and we had a kid, I got the first job I could, making about 38K a year, very little, she was only making around 30, and things were tough. This question is funny because she told me I was going to need a job that paid better. I agreed. I only make around 60, but in VA, with her now making 35 and having free benefits from her job, we’re doing okay. She was honestly doing more cleaning and a bit more of taking care of the one kid we had too, so it seemed fine.

Now, if I was doing okay and she was making more than me, and she wanted me to make more because she looked down on me, then sure, that’d be insulting, but when I met my wife, I had virtually nothing and she had virtually nothing, I grew up listening to my parents arguing about money and she grew up with no dad and a prostitute mother, so in our particular circumstance, we’ve always been kind of ‘whatever’ about money, besides the fact that we want more of it.

I accept my wife for the way she is, and was not manipulated into it. I beat the other guy who was trying to date her because I wanted her more and worked hard to get her affection, and I am the fucking champion of the universe for my children because they look at me like I’m a fucking superhero and I love that shit.

Also:

This is what I used as a joking example of how you could fuck up your SO they could use some exercise. C’mon dude. Don’t you see how this attitude could be off-putting? I’m honestly not asking you to change your mind about how you feel, but it’ll be hard for you to get into a long relationship with a woman in this part of the world without you changing your viewpoint a little.

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By the way, you make a valid point about the whole ‘perfect’ relationship thing. We’re not perfect, we do argue, we have had screaming matches, we’ve been less-than-perfect parents at times. I just don’t hold grudges and I don’t dwell on those things because for the vast majority of the time things are great, and I don’t talk shit about her, especially when she’s not there to defend herself. But I’m certainly not saying my relationship is perfect. Won’t lie about that.

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If you’re sufficiently weak-minded that you can be “manipulated” by some collective conspiracy against “men” (promulgated by whom, exactly? And how?) that you cannot understand how you mostly choose your own destiny in this regard, no one here can help you.

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No I’m saying that women have to deal with a whole slew of shit that men do, Then go home and still meet the expectations of a traditional home maker/mother/wife role which equals More shit than men deal with.

And

Deal with many (not all) men who feel the need to compete/win at all costs with whomever they are near. More shit still.

When what they really need is the same kindness and support that men seek.

Which they often do not get.

When is the ladt time you made your woman a nice dinner?

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If that happens, mocking your spouse or complaining to others won’t help.

Note, I didn’t say you couldn’t talk to your spouse in private about what you want to change. But how, when, and if to do that is going to be individual.

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@ActivitiesGuy

I was definitely manipulated, or ‘primed’ as a younger man. Probably early teenage years to about mid 20s id say I did everything I could to play a long with this fucking bullshit ideal.

I chased things I shouldn’t of chased, I tried to live up to cookie cutter standards even though deep down I knew that wasn’t me, and that it was all bullshit. I tried to appease friends, fit in to some social groups I had no business being in. We all live and learn.

I like to think I see things for what they are now. Even if it comes off cold and calculated.

You’re totally off base with what I’m talking about.

And as for dinners… I think it was on this board, or somewhere, I read about the Sous Vide. Fuck that thing is a godsend. I cook all the time now and to perfection!

Thank you to whomever that was, wherever that was.

Fat kid from Fla, the sous vide master!

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Ding ding ding. I always push, and support my lady to ask for that promotion or raise and help her strategize the related office politics. Because her success is my success, and vice versa. I love being proud of her and her accomplishments.

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Relationships where one spouse earns significantly more than the other tend to be more at risk because the money earner can always claim power - implicitly or explicitly - and the power imbalance causes issues. Even if the higher earner proclaims there is no power shift, our society will implicitly put this perception that into the mix, it’s like when your boss says we’re all equal in this discussion lol

That’s true of whether the man or woman earns more - some couples manage it better than others.

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You talking about Gouga? That’s not where I first read it but that is my fav cooking channel on Youtube for sure.

His channel is great isn’t it?

Nah. The guy in the food porn thread in supps and nutrition.

The dude is excellent!

I’ll check out Gouga though. I can always learn a thing or two.

I could see that being an issue for some. For us, I think there’s a good balance. I think both partners need to feel what they do matters and that they are respected for it. I’m a military officer, she’s does corporate level business management. Her career field may bring in more than mine eventually (She’s fresh out of school so I’m higher to start out), but even if that becomes the case, it isn’t as if my job no longer matters or I’m somehow less of a man just because my smart, smoking hot wife manages to bring home an awesome paycheck.

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Our company has a policy of not checking references. We’re clever like that.

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If it’s any worth to you, my whole perspective on relationships and marriage is…somewhat on both sides. Yours and others. I know most of the latter half of this discussion has been on a bit of a different subject, but this is just what I would like to add.

For sake of not generalizing I’ll just use my own marriage as an example. Both of us are 24. Married at 22, been together since we were both 18-19 in highschool (met just as we both graduated).

I really couldn’t agree more with @Beyond_Beyond concerning these traditional ideals that many women and therefor men have been taught from generation to generation. However I’m always aware of the time I’m living in, the generation I come from, and the differences my husband and I have. And so from that, I tailor my thoughts, and actions to blend with the everyday ebb and flow of our marriage.

He works at UPS and I work at Costco Wholesale. Sometimes my checks are bigger than his, sometimes his are more than mine. I don’t care about he dresses, who he knows, how much money he makes, etc. As far as household stuff, we split it down the middle, and rotate weekly. I do laundry, he does dishes. I clean the bathroom, he vacuums, He cooks one week, I cook the other, etc. He doesn’t care about how I dress, who I know, how much money I make, etc. We’re both just after seeing each-other smile from day to day, and supporting eachother in whatever we do.

My husband and I are HELLA young. We’re pretty much still kids to a relative degree, but I can’t even begin to explain the clusterfuck of issues young adults in my generation face concerning relationships. Everything from unrealistic ideals, to gender role issues, to money issues, and everything in between. But what generation doesn’t have its hurdles for couples. I’m my eyes, struggle is struggle.

I think every issue in a marriage is specific and somewhat relative to some degree, but also relatable across the globe to some degree. If that makes any sense. For years my husband and I had a different set of issues to face. Mostly involving the fact that we are of two completely different ethnicities, and it felt like Western society was out to sabotage us, but it was enough for us to really cling to eachother and come out victorious on the other end.

But going back to just marriage in general, I like to call it the Daily Grind. It sounds hectic and exhausting, but it can be something as simple as watching what you say, and when you say it. Or going out of your way to just be positive to one another regardless of how the day is going. A simple hand touch, eye contact, Lowering your tone, speaking with a slight change in the way you speak to one another, reassurance, a smile. Hell, the list is endless. The small things that add up over the years. It’s an everyday thing. Each day in marriage is either a new day to seek out that thing that you just love to see within the person you’re with, or it can be yet another day of feeling the exact opposite. The choices go both ways, and the responsibilities go both ways. Of course there’s also issues of abuse, cheating, issues with children, etc. But I’m just speaking on these things I’ve said here. Not that those issues above aren’t important, or relative.

I think it also depends on where the two individuals come from, background, what they’ve been through, etc. Sometimes I noticed marriages where either individual whose been through hell and back just want to cling to the good they see in eachother. To the point where all the mundane, petty stuff, is like a walk in the park compared to even the thought of not being with one another. Sometimes in other marriages, there just hasn’t been that much of a struggle, but the ideals, the aspirations, the dreams, eventually flicker out, from changes over the years. Be they good or bad, or even then, the Occasional mundaneness, or boredom, or routine that comes with marriage, becomes the default. Enough to jade it to the point where either one just…gives up or settles.

There’s enough struggle we all go Through in our own marriages. They’ll always be there. No one marriage or relationship is perfect. I don’t even think they’re designed to be honestly. But I always tell myself this: Those who wish to stay married will find And and every reason under the sun to be with eachother. Those who don’t, will find any and every reason wrong under the sun to not be with eachother.

I say all this because it really comes down the individuals within the marriage. What you see all the time, what you’ve been told, what you hear, what you’ve been through all play key roles in who you choose to pursue, and how the individuals treat eachother and communicate with eachother within
the marriage. And how those instances either become stepping stones or destructive forces. My marriage isn’t perfect either, but waking up to my husband’s mesmerizing pair of ocean blue eyes, will always be enough for me.

And so I say all this, because I understand the struggles you’ve mentioned @greenboy . I can’t say to just deal with it, or do something else, or that your perspective is wrong, but just know that you’ve always got the option and power to find someone who’s got you and your unique individuality as their top priority.

Sorry for the bombardment of happy-go-lucky stuff.

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@greenboy you’ll be proud to know I asked my wife to lose weight, am contemplating divorce, and make good money.

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im going through my second divorce now. Obviously i have poor choice in women or the problem is me. IDK lol

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Great post!

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I wrote and erased a couple of posts over the past couple of days. Husband and I were enjoying a spell of silent-treatment, and I would still have said absolutely that he’s a good guy and etc. In fact, I did say that:

Me: “He’s a good guy.”
My best friend: “He IS a good guy.”

Normally I nip fights in the bud before the cold settles in and I become reactive to the silence. I accomplish this by saying “I don’t want to be in a fight,” which always goes well because neither does he. This time a combination of factors, mostly that it’s suicide season at work and I’m wrung out by it, made it seem like too much, so we limped along (with a couple of flares) until I got home from work last night. I’m off for the weekend and felt better able to manage any conflict that might have erupted when I opened the discussion with “do you want to talk?” He said yes, then asked if I was hungry and suggested we eat first.

And that was pretty much it, except for me going on about how much I hate the silence and how poorly I will react every single time, so if he could take over the “I don’t want to be in a fight” when I’m not up for it, I’d appreciate it. He’ll try.

The fight started over cutting up chicken. Just silly, like all of our fights are.

It IS possible to be mad at someone and still love them. In fact, the reason I’m so reactive to his shut-downs in a fight is that our marriage is so warm, and things seem suddenly cold when we’re not right.

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yesss!!!

@juggy38

I’ve had so many failed relationships. Half of them were definitely my fault, the other half theirs. I think the main issue is listening to yourself deep down, on what you really want.

I was never ready for a family or real hardcore commitment. However, there were 2 or 3 of them that i probably should have committed to marrying because I’ll probably never attain that level again. There was one that got away from me that I still burn about till this day.

I know it’s cliché, but I’ve been doing the “never go to bed angry” thing because one night in June everything went kabloowie.

Wife hates it. She likes getting a good angry going. Makes a nice stew out of it and really feels like she’s doing something! Grabs a few things from the past and whips up a real smorgasbord of angry bullshit.

Not anymore! No leftovers in this house!

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