^^ in that pose isn’t it big adductors that push out your hamstrings to make them look bigger rather than the hams themselves? Those legs are lean as hell.
He’s smashing his front leg up against the rear leg to make the hamstrings appear as large as possible… like you are supposed to. Adductors really will give the greatest visual difference when viewed from the front.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
He’s smashing his front leg up against the rear leg to make the hamstrings appear as large as possible… like you are supposed to. Adductors really will give the greatest visual difference when viewed from the front.
[/quote]
I see
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Okay, some noob questions here.
How do deadlifts hit hamstrings more than squats? (or at all in that matter, since it’s knee extension and not flexion which is what the hamstrings do…unless I’m mixing them up again)
Someone was mentioning increased hamstring strength allows for bigger squat numbers. How does that work and for a Power Lifter or Oly Lifter, how important do you think this would be to consider in our training? Since, ya know, squat #s are very important to people like us.
Diagrams are MORE than welcome.[/quote]
Deadlifts Dont hit Hams more than squats. The thing is, there is something called Romanian Deadlifts/stiff leg deadlifts. Its essentially a deadlift, where your legs are kept stiff, and you dont pop your back at the top, since THAT is the main focus of the deadlifts (the pop at the top).
I said increased ham str will increase squat numbers because simply, the Glutes and the Hams are the driving force of squat. When you see people Stuck in a squat, they arent stuck at the top, they are stuck in the hole of the movement usually, and thats where your hams and glutes are the workers. Ipso facto, increase Ham/glute str, and you will have more driving force from the Hole of a squat.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Okay, some noob questions here.
How do deadlifts hit hamstrings more than squats? (or at all in that matter, since it’s knee extension and not flexion which is what the hamstrings do…unless I’m mixing them up again)
Someone was mentioning increased hamstring strength allows for bigger squat numbers. How does that work and for a Power Lifter or Oly Lifter, how important do you think this would be to consider in our training? Since, ya know, squat #s are very important to people like us.
Diagrams are MORE than welcome.[/quote]
Deadlifts Dont hit Hams more than squats. The thing is, there is something called Romanian Deadlifts/stiff leg deadlifts. Its essentially a deadlift, where your legs are kept stiff, and you dont pop your back at the top, since THAT is the main focus of the deadlifts (the pop at the top).
I said increased ham str will increase squat numbers because simply, the Glutes and the Hams are the driving force of squat. When you see people Stuck in a squat, they arent stuck at the top, they are stuck in the hole of the movement usually, and thats where your hams and glutes are the workers. Ipso facto, increase Ham/glute str, and you will have more driving force from the Hole of a squat. [/quote]
I see, thanks for the quick reply
not a problem, trying to spread the love.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Okay, some noob questions here.
How do deadlifts hit hamstrings more than squats? (or at all in that matter, since it’s knee extension and not flexion which is what the hamstrings do…unless I’m mixing them up again)
Someone was mentioning increased hamstring strength allows for bigger squat numbers. How does that work and for a Power Lifter or Oly Lifter, how important do you think this would be to consider in our training? Since, ya know, squat #s are very important to people like us.
Diagrams are MORE than welcome.[/quote]
Deadlifts Dont hit Hams more than squats. The thing is, there is something called Romanian Deadlifts/stiff leg deadlifts. Its essentially a deadlift, where your legs are kept stiff, and you dont pop your back at the top, since THAT is the main focus of the deadlifts (the pop at the top).
I said increased ham str will increase squat numbers because simply, the Glutes and the Hams are the driving force of squat. When you see people Stuck in a squat, they arent stuck at the top, they are stuck in the hole of the movement usually, and thats where your hams and glutes are the workers. Ipso facto, increase Ham/glute str, and you will have more driving force from the Hole of a squat. [/quote]
I’m going to disagree. Deadlifts hit hams way harder than squats, because of the involved hip flexion. (well, maybe not harder, but more directly) That movement is 100% hamstring work. If you’re getting hip flexion in your squats, you fail at life. Only difference between a normal deadlift and a RDL is that you have your quads to help move the weight at the bottom, and of course the hip lockout at the top of the movement in a normal dead lift. RDL, or SLDL focuses specifically on the hamstring.
Okay, this pic really helps visualize it’s use in deadlifts. lol, it’s insertion is easy, but I wasn’t sure where it originated from which is what made it hard to comprehend it’s use in deadlifts
Ofc you think deadlifts hit hams harder than squats, your hams are freakisly inserted, which is why YOU do normal deadlifts while I do Romanians for our targeted ham work lol.
When We DL, on our back day, i dont get jack shit in my hams. Which is why i cant see DLs hitting hams “way harder.”
GHRs are now one of my favourites. What I also do sometimes, as a finisher, is set up some bands in a rack and do curls to failure.
http://train.elitefts.com/exercise-index/band/double-band-leg-curls/
EDIT
Just noticed Scott’s post. That leg press variation is my #1 ham exercise, I love it.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ who is that?[/quote]
looks like Jeff Rodriquez
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Ofc you think deadlifts hit hams harder than squats, your hams are freakisly inserted, which is why YOU do normal deadlifts while I do Romanians for our targeted ham work lol.
When We DL, on our back day, i dont get jack shit in my hams. Which is why i cant see DLs hitting hams “way harder.” [/quote]
It depends on how you squat and how you pull.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Ofc you think deadlifts hit hams harder than squats, your hams are freakisly inserted, which is why YOU do normal deadlifts while I do Romanians for our targeted ham work lol.
When We DL, on our back day, i dont get jack shit in my hams. Which is why i cant see DLs hitting hams “way harder.” [/quote]
It depends on how you squat and how you pull. [/quote]
No doubt. I mean theoretically, he’s probably right. You get the added stress of a Romanian Stretch from a DL, along with the need for the drive power, making it >the squat. But i always give him shit for turning our Romanian movement into just a plain ole Deadlift.
GHRs, Natural GHRs, good mornings, good mornings in the hyper bench (these are my favorite).
I’ve been pretty lucky with my hamstring development. It seems that they get activated during any compound leg movement I do.
I’m not sure if I believe that the hamstrings must be trained with hip extension and knee flexion though. The biceps femoris, semi-tendonosis and semi-membranosus all cross the joint at the hip and knee. Also muscle fibers activate in an all or none manner, if more force is needed, more muscle fibers will activate. The muscle fibers run the entire length of the tendon parallel to each other, so hip extension and knee flexion will both activate them fully. HOWEVER, if for instance you are very quad dominant, squats will not your hamstrings much. IF you are a lower back dominant deadlifter you probably won’t get much hamstring activation out of those. If you are hamstring dominant though, you probably have no reason to ever do leg curls, but they are a nice way to work the hammies if you need something lower impact or something less neurally draining, possibly even a finisher at the end of a workout just to get a pump.
I’m NOT saying that no one should do hamstring isolation work, just saying that there are people who can get away without it and still have great development.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
GHRs, Natural GHRs, good mornings, good mornings in the hyper bench (these are my favorite).[/quote]
Have you tried good mornings with one foot on a plate? I have to drop the weight a little, but it really torches the erectors and especially the hams.
Also, do most people not lock RDL/SLDLs out? I cant manage any respectable weights like that, although I suppose it would keep the tension on the hamstrings.
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ who is that?[/quote]
looks like Jeff Rodriquez[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ who is that?[/quote]
looks like Jeff Rodriquez[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]
Is your avatar photoshopped? Your arm looks massive.
/hijack
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ who is that?[/quote]
looks like Jeff Rodriquez[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]
Is your avatar photoshopped? Your arm looks massive.
/hijack[/quote]
You bastard! Hijacking my thread…i oughta…
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ who is that?[/quote]
looks like Jeff Rodriquez[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]
Is your avatar photoshopped? Your arm looks massive.
/hijack[/quote]
Nope, just a tricep pump. I think that’s the best compliment I’ve ever gotten, lol. They get up over 19" pumped.