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[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

oh, I look skinny&small in that pic and I train just one time per week LOL, Prof was you that called me “small sized shirt” guy or not?
I apologize, my new shirt is S not 3XL ,bye bye.[/quote]

What does this response even mean?[/quote]

I wouldn’t bother X, I’m sure this guy has been here for at least a year posting about how strong and muscular he is yet I don’t think he’s been able to take a single adequate photo of himself in that time.
[/quote]

oh dear.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

If you are using that machine to target THE CHEST and not to simply get the weight in the air like a powerlifter, there isn’t that much of a difference in the weight between the two. That is why I commented on that 2 rep press that didn’t even seem to be focusing on the chest as the prime mover.

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What makes you think I’m not focusing on my chest as a primary mover? It’s not like I’m bouncing the weight off the floor with my ass up in the air struggling to get the weight up. Usually I wouldn’t even lock out on every rep but then there’d be some guys saying “it doesn’t count” partial ROM. I think if I took a video of my 335x6 set it wouldn’t look much different from the video in your hub except, I kicked out the plates on the floor to get a little more ROM at the bottom and I use a lot less weight. I can tell you that I feel this machine in my chest a lot more than the barbell version.

If anything, I’m stronger at this because I use my chest as a primary mover. CC had a look at my triceps pictures and pretty much said they were pathetic and that’s probably why my BB bench isn’t as high as it should be.[/quote]

What makes me think that? Because you only got 2 reps with that weight and couldn’t get another one. That might be fine if that was your last set after pounding the shit out of it with 3 or more sets previous, but you didn’t. So, no, I don’t for one second believe your chest was the primary focus in an attempt like that.[/quote]

I know you read the rest of my post. I posted my entire workout before that video. I did hammer my chest with bench presses before including a last set till failure. And I did 335x6 on the HS which was too failure. It’ll be a very long time before I get 335x6 on bench.

The OP asked :
"For those of you who use the Hammer Strength bench press, how do your weights compare to what you can do with a barbell? "

I gave video proof that it’s a 70-90 lbs difference for me. Now you’re discounting that because I only video’d the set where I got 2 reps? You don’t think the 335x6 ever happened?
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Thanks for posting the video. I have no idea what muscle group you feel when you are doing that. I sure as hell can not tell by looking at the video. Until recently, I used to use a slower negative with my BB bench, I now use a faster one. I feel it in my chest way more than in the past. I also have done training where all I did was doubles, and my pecs were the only muscle group that felt the pump. So if it is working, keep it.

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

If you are using that machine to target THE CHEST and not to simply get the weight in the air like a powerlifter, there isn’t that much of a difference in the weight between the two. That is why I commented on that 2 rep press that didn’t even seem to be focusing on the chest as the prime mover.

[/quote]

What makes you think I’m not focusing on my chest as a primary mover? It’s not like I’m bouncing the weight off the floor with my ass up in the air struggling to get the weight up. Usually I wouldn’t even lock out on every rep but then there’d be some guys saying “it doesn’t count” partial ROM. I think if I took a video of my 335x6 set it wouldn’t look much different from the video in your hub except, I kicked out the plates on the floor to get a little more ROM at the bottom and I use a lot less weight. I can tell you that I feel this machine in my chest a lot more than the barbell version.

If anything, I’m stronger at this because I use my chest as a primary mover. CC had a look at my triceps pictures and pretty much said they were pathetic and that’s probably why my BB bench isn’t as high as it should be.[/quote]

What makes me think that? Because you only got 2 reps with that weight and couldn’t get another one. That might be fine if that was your last set after pounding the shit out of it with 3 or more sets previous, but you didn’t. So, no, I don’t for one second believe your chest was the primary focus in an attempt like that.[/quote]

I know you read the rest of my post. I posted my entire workout before that video. I did hammer my chest with bench presses before including a last set till failure. And I did 335x6 on the HS which was too failure. It’ll be a very long time before I get 335x6 on bench.

The OP asked :
"For those of you who use the Hammer Strength bench press, how do your weights compare to what you can do with a barbell? "

I gave video proof that it’s a 70-90 lbs difference for me. Now you’re discounting that because I only video’d the set where I got 2 reps? You don’t think the 335x6 ever happened?
[/quote]

Thanks for posting the video. I have no idea what muscle group you feel when you are doing that. I sure as hell can not tell by looking at the video. Until recently, I used to use a slower negative with my BB bench, I now use a faster one. I feel it in my chest way more than in the past. I also have done training where all I did was doubles, and my pecs were the only muscle group that felt the pump. So if it is working, keep it.[/quote]

Did you read the thread? He doesn’t normally even do that exercise. he just jumped on it to see how his strength matched up. He wouldn’t know how it worked and judging by some of the responses here, some of you can’t decide whether you want to be low rep powerlifters or bodybuilders.

In general, really low rep maxes will not even allow enough time for someone to feel that muscle group contracting. If you see some guy using a weight he can only out up 2 times, 9 times out of 10 he needs to drop the weight.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

If you are using that machine to target THE CHEST and not to simply get the weight in the air like a powerlifter, there isn’t that much of a difference in the weight between the two. That is why I commented on that 2 rep press that didn’t even seem to be focusing on the chest as the prime mover.

[/quote]

What makes you think I’m not focusing on my chest as a primary mover? It’s not like I’m bouncing the weight off the floor with my ass up in the air struggling to get the weight up. Usually I wouldn’t even lock out on every rep but then there’d be some guys saying “it doesn’t count” partial ROM. I think if I took a video of my 335x6 set it wouldn’t look much different from the video in your hub except, I kicked out the plates on the floor to get a little more ROM at the bottom and I use a lot less weight. I can tell you that I feel this machine in my chest a lot more than the barbell version.

If anything, I’m stronger at this because I use my chest as a primary mover. CC had a look at my triceps pictures and pretty much said they were pathetic and that’s probably why my BB bench isn’t as high as it should be.[/quote]

What makes me think that? Because you only got 2 reps with that weight and couldn’t get another one. That might be fine if that was your last set after pounding the shit out of it with 3 or more sets previous, but you didn’t. So, no, I don’t for one second believe your chest was the primary focus in an attempt like that.[/quote]

I know you read the rest of my post. I posted my entire workout before that video. I did hammer my chest with bench presses before including a last set till failure. And I did 335x6 on the HS which was too failure. It’ll be a very long time before I get 335x6 on bench.

The OP asked :
"For those of you who use the Hammer Strength bench press, how do your weights compare to what you can do with a barbell? "

I gave video proof that it’s a 70-90 lbs difference for me. Now you’re discounting that because I only video’d the set where I got 2 reps? You don’t think the 335x6 ever happened?
[/quote]

Thanks for posting the video. I have no idea what muscle group you feel when you are doing that. I sure as hell can not tell by looking at the video. Until recently, I used to use a slower negative with my BB bench, I now use a faster one. I feel it in my chest way more than in the past. I also have done training where all I did was doubles, and my pecs were the only muscle group that felt the pump. So if it is working, keep it.[/quote]

Did you read the thread? He doesn’t normally even do that exercise. he just jumped on it to see how his strength matched up. He wouldn’t know how it worked and judging by some of the responses here, some of you can’t decide whether you want to be low rep powerlifters or bodybuilders.

In general, really low rep maxes will not even allow enough time for someone to feel that muscle group contracting. If you see some guy using a weight he can only out up 2 times, 9 times out of 10 he needs to drop the weight.[/quote]

My impression was that he wanted to see how the weights compared. He decided to try it for that purpose alone, so, no, he may not know if his body will respond to it.
Yes, most people will do well feeling the weight over a set of 10 than 2 reps. Unfortunately, my gym is full of them. They do sets of 10 on bench press…with 135, then wonder why they do not grow. I don’t see a reason why a person cant combine the two goals.

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:
Unfortunately, my gym is full of them. They do sets of 10 on bench press…with 135, then wonder why they do not grow. I don’t see a reason why a person cant combine the two goals. [/quote]

?

And you see my posts as saying do not combine the goal of strength and size?

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This thread is still going?

What is the goal of bodybuilding? To get bigger muscles, less body fat and look as awesome as possible.

What does it matter if you’re getting those big muscles by bench pressing, hammer strength or dumbbells?

You got big pecs from BB bench and someone else got by pecs from HS machines. Does that mean you’re more hardcore or bad ass cause yours is ‘harder’? Get out of here with that BS

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

Thanks for posting the video. I have no idea what muscle group you feel when you are doing that. I sure as hell can not tell by looking at the video. Until recently, I used to use a slower negative with my BB bench, I now use a faster one. I feel it in my chest way more than in the past. I also have done training where all I did was doubles, and my pecs were the only muscle group that felt the pump. So if it is working, keep it.[/quote]

No problem. Talk is cheap and common around here so I kept my mouth shut until I had a video. My chest is burning today, so I’d love to keep the exercise but I’m not a member of that gym.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Did you read the thread? He doesn’t normally even do that exercise. he just jumped on it to see how his strength matched up. He wouldn’t know how it worked and judging by some of the responses here, some of you can’t decide whether you want to be low rep powerlifters or bodybuilders.

In general, really low rep maxes will not even allow enough time for someone to feel that muscle group contracting. If you see some guy using a weight he can only out up 2 times, 9 times out of 10 he needs to drop the weight.[/quote]

This is true. I used to be a member of that gym and used the machine in the past but it’s been a long time. I said fuck it, let me see what I can do on it and I proceeded to ramp up to 4 pps. When I do barbell bench, my shoulders do the brunt of the work unless I pause the bar on my chest. This machine was different. I felt it a lot more in my chest. I can’t say if it was the 335x6 or the 375x2 set, but my chest is sore as fuck today.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:
Unfortunately, my gym is full of them. They do sets of 10 on bench press…with 135, then wonder why they do not grow. I don’t see a reason why a person cant combine the two goals. [/quote]

?

And you see my posts as saying do not combine the goal of strength and size?[/quote]

No, you mentioned that people can’t decide if they want to be low rep plifters or bodybuilders, though you also mention strength is important.

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To each their own. People should spend more time Focusing on their own training and goals and less time on worrying about things like in this thread.

And to address the OP: yes HM machines are ‘easier’ than BB benching.

Does the actual amount of weight matter? Not really. What matters is that you’re getting stronger and MORE IMPORTANTLY that you’re getting bigger.

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forgot to write that ,yes I use low reps (4/5) in my first all-out set but I perform it with very slow cadence and good form,
my main goal is to destroy how many musce fibers (of muscle selected) i can NOT to lift how much weight I can (example; on the bench I don’t use a big arc-even if I have a longo torso-,no legs drive, I don’t fire my lats during the eccentric).

very probably,no surely,my 1RM went down but who cares? my chest went up and this is my goal now.
I see the importance (thanx to ProfX,MODOK,CC,bewhiehill) of an higher rep range and because of this i swifted to an Hernon(ish) style protocol with different reps range in the same session but the evidence remains that,for now:

more load on the bar (in a good form)= more size.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

Does the actual amount of weight matter? Not really.

*****well,if you carefully look at every advanced bber maybe you note that they arent’benching 150lb ,not rowing 160lb and not squatting 200lb…

What matters is that you’re getting stronger and MORE IMPORTANTLY that you’re getting bigger.[/quote]

well said!
more load(good form and enough TUL ) plus adeguate food= ipertrofia???

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[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread is still going?

What is the goal of bodybuilding? To get bigger muscles, less body fat and look as awesome as possible.

What does it matter if you’re getting those big muscles by bench pressing, hammer strength or dumbbells?

You got big pecs from BB bench and someone else got by pecs from HS machines. Does that mean you’re more hardcore or bad ass cause yours is ‘harder’? Get out of here with that BS[/quote]
Who is advocating one version of press over another here?

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread is still going?

What is the goal of bodybuilding? To get bigger muscles, less body fat and look as awesome as possible.

What does it matter if you’re getting those big muscles by bench pressing, hammer strength or dumbbells?

You got big pecs from BB bench and someone else got by pecs from HS machines. Does that mean you’re more hardcore or bad ass cause yours is ‘harder’? Get out of here with that BS[/quote]
Who is advocating one version of press over another here? [/quote]

All of the people in this thread who acted like the point being made is that “barbells are harder than Hammer Strength”. This had nothing to do with powerlifting so why did it even go in that direction?

No one gives a shit if you think you or anyone else is more bad ass because you do barbells and avoid a hammner strength machine.

The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade. If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade.

****hey! I train in a wh,no fucking hammers here, this is he only “machine” I have LOL

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2396/60366629.png

If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.[/quote]

Prof, so you think that just the Hammer developed your chest NOT your tough head to push beyond???

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread is still going?

What is the goal of bodybuilding? To get bigger muscles, less body fat and look as awesome as possible.

What does it matter if you’re getting those big muscles by bench pressing, hammer strength or dumbbells?

You got big pecs from BB bench and someone else got by pecs from HS machines. Does that mean you’re more hardcore or bad ass cause yours is ‘harder’? Get out of here with that BS[/quote]
Who is advocating one version of press over another here? [/quote]

All of the people in this thread who acted like the point being made is that “barbells are harder than Hammer Strength”. This had nothing to do with powerlifting so why did it even go in that direction?

No one gives a shit if you think you or anyone else is more bad ass because you do barbells and avoid a hammner strength machine.

The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade. If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.[/quote]

This is what I don’t understand. I do not see anyone who is saying that a barbell bench is more hardcore. I think there were only two powerlifters who chimed in. They were making the point that they lift more on a hammer strength press than on it’s corresponding free weight version.
I know I certainly did not claim to be more bad ass because I do some variation of BB bench press. I don’t think they did either. Hell, I used to use a Hammer incline press, but unfortunately my current gym does not have one. I also said, if it is working, keep it.

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[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade.

****hey! I train in a wh,no fucking hammers here, this is he only “machine” I have LOL

If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.[/quote]

Prof, so you think that just the Hammer developed your chest NOT your tough head to push beyond???
[/quote]

WTF?

Dude, there is an entire thread above about how I trained for years. I didn’t even use a Hammer Strength machine for most of my development. I went from barbells to dumbbells to mostly hammer strength in that order.

Just a question…but seeing as this has now been typed about 5 billion times on this site, how many more times do you think it needs to be written?

That thread above is 6 fucking years old.

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread is still going?

What is the goal of bodybuilding? To get bigger muscles, less body fat and look as awesome as possible.

What does it matter if you’re getting those big muscles by bench pressing, hammer strength or dumbbells?

You got big pecs from BB bench and someone else got by pecs from HS machines. Does that mean you’re more hardcore or bad ass cause yours is ‘harder’? Get out of here with that BS[/quote]
Who is advocating one version of press over another here? [/quote]

All of the people in this thread who acted like the point being made is that “barbells are harder than Hammer Strength”. This had nothing to do with powerlifting so why did it even go in that direction?

No one gives a shit if you think you or anyone else is more bad ass because you do barbells and avoid a hammner strength machine.

The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade. If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.[/quote]

This is what I don’t understand. I do not see anyone who is saying that a barbell bench is more hardcore. I think there were only two powerlifters who chimed in. They were making the point that they lift more on a hammer strength press than on it’s corresponding free weight version.
I know I certainly did not claim to be more bad ass because I do some variation of BB bench press. I don’t think they did either. Hell, I used to use a Hammer incline press, but unfortunately my current gym does not have one. I also said, if it is working, keep it.
[/quote]

Good for you, boopsy. If you don’t see anyone on this board making fun of using a hammer strength machine, then I must be seeing things.

My bad.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread is still going?

What is the goal of bodybuilding? To get bigger muscles, less body fat and look as awesome as possible.

What does it matter if you’re getting those big muscles by bench pressing, hammer strength or dumbbells?

You got big pecs from BB bench and someone else got by pecs from HS machines. Does that mean you’re more hardcore or bad ass cause yours is ‘harder’? Get out of here with that BS[/quote]
Who is advocating one version of press over another here? [/quote]

All of the people in this thread who acted like the point being made is that “barbells are harder than Hammer Strength”. This had nothing to do with powerlifting so why did it even go in that direction?

No one gives a shit if you think you or anyone else is more bad ass because you do barbells and avoid a hammner strength machine.

The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade. If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.[/quote]

This is what I don’t understand. I do not see anyone who is saying that a barbell bench is more hardcore. I think there were only two powerlifters who chimed in. They were making the point that they lift more on a hammer strength press than on it’s corresponding free weight version.
I know I certainly did not claim to be more bad ass because I do some variation of BB bench press. I don’t think they did either. Hell, I used to use a Hammer incline press, but unfortunately my current gym does not have one. I also said, if it is working, keep it.
[/quote]

Good for you, boopsy. If you don’t see anyone on this board making fun of using a hammer strength machine, then I must be seeing things.

My bad.[/quote]

Boopsy, is that some sort of insult? I mean, I’m trying to hold what would be considered an intelligent debate and you resort to that.

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I think if you consider “boopsy” an insult you’ve got bigger problems to sort out before you start worrying about “intelligent” debates on a bodybuilding forum…

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

All of the people in this thread who acted like the point being made is that “barbells are harder than Hammer Strength”. This had nothing to do with powerlifting so why did it even go in that direction?

No one gives a shit if you think you or anyone else is more bad ass because you do barbells and avoid a hammner strength machine.

The goal is a huge fucking chest that is also strong as hell. I did that without using a barbell in a decade. If YOU aren’t also getting well above average in the “huge” department, maybe you should change your approach instead of using a movement because you think it makes you more hardcore to do it.[/quote]

This is what I don’t understand. I do not see anyone who is saying that a barbell bench is more hardcore. I think there were only two powerlifters who chimed in. They were making the point that they lift more on a hammer strength press than on it’s corresponding free weight version.
I know I certainly did not claim to be more bad ass because I do some variation of BB bench press. I don’t think they did either. Hell, I used to use a Hammer incline press, but unfortunately my current gym does not have one. I also said, if it is working, keep it.
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To be clear that wasn’t the intention of my post either. A few people were throwing out #'s and PX questioned them (Austin in particular). My only point was a direct answer to the OP’s question. You can do considerably more weight on both seated and lying down variant of HS bench press than barbell. I don’t make any other general claims . If someone wants to prove the converse, let’s see it.

Is it relevant to bodybuilding? I don’t know. The thread didn’t get closed or moved so I’m pretty much just staying on topic.