Bro, I know I keep repeating this. But in the 90s in the boroughs of NYC, young daughters were permitted to be in some of the most stupidest and dangerous positions. Now that I have a daughter and look back on this, and the results in some cases (actual sexual assault and physical abuse) I now wonder if their fathers had something seriously wrong with them. I have a few stories that if they ever happened to normal men’s daughters would send them into violent rages (but they likely wouldn’t permit to what lead to them in the first place).
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Agreed. See “Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks”. Alpha = ‘hot’ in this scenario.
How many are on Instagram? Women advertise sexually as billboards whereas men are the door-to-door salesmen.
I has a 20-22 y/o girl in one of my classes give me her number unprovoked a couple weeks ago. She was attractive and I normally would have imagined a low body count by looks (wasn’t dressed hoe-ish in the slightest).
At any rate, i agree with this statement… but i will also say that women actively give signs of interest when you’re attractive - rarely will they initiate.
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After the industrial revolution, Boomers may have been the generation that was peak reward with fewest risk. Obviously a generalization. There were things like Vietnam and all the other crap. But from a societal stand point, all the old structure was still intact. Family, community, and religion aided in their upbringing. They were after the the great struggles, but before the great breakdown.
I also don’t like to play the “kids these days” game. The generation vs generation thing is always full of nuance and grey, but it is interesting to dive into.
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For some women. I think one of the flaws of red pill stuff is it exaggerates truths that apply to some women. Plenty of women don’t go through a slut phase then settle down with a reliable guy. Plenty aren’t going behind their average looking husband’s backs.
Lots of people like attention. I think most of the Instagram stuff is for attention.
Agree here, but women (and men) will play this game just for fun / validation too. It likely means she thinks you are attractive, but that isn’t the same as interest. It isn’t so much about her checking you out, but to see if you are checking her out (validation from what she sees as an attractive guy).
I am not trying to be contradictory. I am just going into this a bit because I think a lot of the red pill stuff is believable / has truth to it, but it is also exaggerated IMO. I think viewing women as a whole through that lens may be damaging to a lot of guys. I am not saying that these guys should totally ignore what red pill content creators say, just to take it with a grain of salt.
Some of the advice about personal improvement from red pill content is good. Those things will help you with or without women. Those things will likely increase the pool of women that a guy has as options.
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The concept of alpha fucks/beta bucks has not really made sense to me. The successful guy with the money and influence is the alpha.
@Silyak I believe the whole thing is a clumsy classification but I get the point. I’m not a gorgeous man yet, as I’ve said previously, I regrettably had what I call “porn come to life” moments when I was freaking unemployed. So I was neither an “alpha f—“ or a beta bucks.
Now I’m still not gorgeous, with more grey hairs and a receding hairline; but I’m also not rich. Yet I’m married with children and some women are obviously attracted to me. So I’m neither beta bucks nor am I an alpha f—. Amazing!
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Would you wager a majority, or a minority of women aren’t doing/haven’t done these things?
YES. Want to get your girl to stop doing something that aggravates you? Ignore the behavior, don’t argue with it. Why? Because attention is the currency.
It can be and certainly has been, but I do believe men ought to know how women operate according to their biological imperative. God knows they don’t understand it themselves 
I do agree that many women don’t follow what red pill says, but I also believe that they do this out of sheer willpower against their own biological drive, not out of being a special snowflake.
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I have a very hard time believing this. Prior to meeting my wife in 2019, I had absolutely no trouble meeting women and getting dates (on and off dating apps). I’m 5’8" on a good day, made about $70k at the time, and look more like Steve Buscemi than Brad Pitt. Could’ve easily gone on 2-3 first dates and 1-2 second/third dates a week in the midsized city I was living in.
If y’all are telling me I’m in the 95th percentile of men, I guess I’ll take the compliment, but I honestly can’t fathom that thats even close to true. haha
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Were they looking for hookups or relationships?
Mostly short or long term relationships. I met plenty of women looking for both or either (hookups or relationships).
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I think your profession (PT IIRC and based on your username) might have a lot to do with it. It shows you have drive and willpower to do something hard.
Also, confidence can overcome a crap ton of flaws when it comes to dating.
I don’t believe all of the red pill stuff but no one can deny the increase in suicidal ideation and depression in younger men. There is a myriad of reasons and I think the big one no one will tackle is social media and the false promises of instant gratification combined with fake reality.
I know @BrickHead bas discussed it at length but younger males hear from all around nowadays is how bad it is to be a man. Imagine hearing that in your puberty years repeatedly, especially if you are already on the outskirts of the popular group (nerdy, neurodivergent, etc…). It conditions one not to take up and cultivate masculine traits that despite all the marketing otherwise, heterosexual women still prefer (it’s biology and can’t/shouldn’t be fought).
I would never relegate women “to the kitchen and laundry” but no one can deny a real difference in the psychology between male and female.
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I should clarify that chasing is not the same as catching, and the 5% they are chasing is the ideal man, build-a-bear style.
You’re welcome to watch any of the hundreds of Fresh and Fit episodes where the hosts ask girls what their ideal man makes, how tall he is, if he’s in shape, etc, then plug those numbers into the female delusion calculator. It’s comical (the show itself is a joke too).
Women will settle for less, it just isn’t their ideal. You’re also welcome to read The Rational Male and see where this stuff comes from, if you’re interested in learning.
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Not a PT – username is old, poorly considered, and a reference to something else. lol.
This and knowing how to talk to people without coming off like a desperate weirdo or potential serial killer probably accounts for most of it, honestly.
I definitely agree with this. Young men in this country and throughout much of the world are experiencing a crisis of meaning, and the results are devastating to everyone. It’s a big problem. I just don’t think “women won’t date men unless they’re tall and rich” is the main problem, because it’s just not true (or wasn’t a few year ago, as evidenced by my “success” with dating as a decidedly not-tall, not-rich, not-freakishly-handsome guy).
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That’s fair. People are allowed to have fantasies and shoot for the moon. Never bothered me one bit. When Johnny Sixpack doesn’t respond to your messages, hit me up. Lol
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I don’t know how they could even figure something like this out. Were they looking at 5,000 year old censuses?
Historically, women didn’t chase men; they were given or sold to men.
I love the attitude, but you’re missing the point. Either way, I’m not going to be sitting here dishing out red pills because it’s not my place.
If you wanted to understand where I’m coming from RE rampant hypergamy, Rational Male is probably the best educational resource - albeit a damned angering one to read.
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I’ll check it out. I listened to some Jordan Peterson podcast appearances where he discussed the topic, and watched a “red pill” documentary that touched on the subject. Its just so far removed from my experience and the experience of the men around me that I have a hard time making sense of it. All of the evidence in my own life and the lives of men I know personally is that if you’re consistently employed, physically fit, interesting to talk to, and not an overt threat to women’s health and safety due to a lack of emotional regulation and intelligence, you’ll have NO problem finding (desirable) women to date. The bar seems to be set extremely low from where I’m standing.
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Thanks. And as for neurodivergent or quirky, prone to mental problems, or whatever, again, I think some men get a buzz out of putting down other men, in many cases good men who struggle in life, particularly with women, because a womanless man is the easiest to degrade. Typically from what I’ve gathered these men had smooth lives (nothing wrong with that) including healthy relationships in their families, good schools, solid older men around them, money, or whatever.
So instead of being empathetic, and think, “gee, I’m blessed; other men need some help,” instead they hammer down. I had suicidal ideation in my teenage years, and I think the reasons for such ideation are plausible. And I certainly wouldn’t have benefited from a psychologist or friends hammering down on me or calling me a “runt” (term used above).
My psychologist actually was red-pilled before the term came around who said all sorts of mean, non-PC things that even some here would disapprove of. He was great in helping me though and I will forever be grateful for him.
So it’s both an older generation having no clue about the current generation and a lack of empathy or other men, I believe. Perhaps the term runt was used in a certain context above that I can’t wrap my head around. I certainly wasn’t being “cooed” and coddled by my mommy working 1.5 jobs to raise two sons. Actual a former poster right here on this forum, my close friend of a long time, provided me with much support when I wasn’t feeling well. Imagine if I died and someone looked in his face, and said, “your friend Brickhead was a runt.” The callousness to and jokes about other men’s misery is something else.
And while we are on the main topic of the thread, I don’t know how any intelligent person would “coddle” or coo someone through suicidal feelings. Like if a man was at the edge of a bridge, would a sane person start saying, “kiss, kiss, you’s a sweet boy.” What a competent psychologist would do is get to the bottom of one’s warped thinking and perception of themselves and life, as mine did.
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I’m too lazy to Google this, but wtf is a red pill? I see it often on the internet but have no idea what it refers to.
In a nutshell, the truth, no matter how unsettling it is.
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