I may have, or forgot. Ill go up and look. It just boggles the mind. I don’t get how you could be conditioned to not want pussy.
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I think you’re out of touch with the last 2 generations there buddy.
they bang the hot dude regardless of income while husband is making 6 figures to support her and her children’s (with questionable paternity) lifestyle. best of both worlds.
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Could be. I mean I’m only 37, so technically a millennial? I’ve never had any form of social media (unless you count Tnation), so I probably am disconnected from certain trends.
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This sure does not line up with who they are having babies with lmao.
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Wants versus needs/settling I guess.
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Here it is again. I believe this list indisputable.
I’ll add that men have a role in all this considering many men actually go right along with conditions that make getting women difficult for themselves. What’s funny is that if you speak to Americans about social norms and policies that would correct matters—including ensuring their own sons don’t go incel and that their own families don’t go extinct—they strongly oppose them. “The toothpaste is out of the tube.” “We can’t do that.”
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One more point for that list:
Disinterest and lack of involvement in much of the boomer generation for their children’s relations with the opposite sex, particularly lack of fatherly involvement.
I believe my experience in the latchkey era in NYC in the 90’s gave me keen insight in this.
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I missed this before. It’s not a matter of wanting or not wanting. They are unwanted (hence the term incel) and/or have 1) no clue about what’s going on, and 2) no clue about how women act and think.
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This makes more sense to me than simply being unwanted. Modern socialization leaving young men unable to adequately communicate with the opposite sex.
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Isn’t this inconsistent with my list?
Anyone who is seriously interested in what caused this debacle should read Sexual Utopia in Power, which I’ve often recommended.
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Using online dating studies as a metric to judge women is an error I believe. Not very many women use dating apps (especially the more hook up ones). The ones that do, get a lot of attention because there are a lot more men that use the apps, and also men are less picky (regarding who they have sex with, not necessarily with actual relationships). I think one of the effects these apps have on many of the women that use them is over inflating their sense of how attractive they are (the opposite happens to men). They think the caliber of guy only interested in sex with her is the caliber of guy that wants a relationship, and that those are the guys worth pursuing for a relationship (and hey, they get dates with them).
If one goes to a large public event, one can see all sorts of women with their men. These aren’t all guys that are 6’3", and making over 6 figures a year. They are average women with average men for the most part (because most people are average).
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I’d say many only have a rough idea of what 6’ is. Lots of guys lie a bit or a lot about their height. I am between 5’10" and 5’11". If asked, I say 5’10". Women have looked surprised at that number. They thought I was 6’.
I agree with it being something that isn’t likely to be swayed by social media. I believe the evolutionary explanation is that all things equal a taller man is a better protector. I think height is a proxy for how formidable the guy is basically, and a guy being formidable is attractive to women. We see this in guys like Mike Tyson (5’10"). No trouble attracting women, isn’t particularly tall, but he is quite formidable.
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Numerous times when we’ve had to order clothing for work, some women have said, “you must be a medium,” to which I’ve replied, “No, I’m a large. Here, I’ll show you this thing doesn’t fit,” and proceed to put on something I can barely fit into.
Some have also thought I weighed up to 20 pounds less than I do!
I don’t think many people accurately size up others.
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Because they want the hot guy genes but the rich guy’s resources and security.
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To add onto this…
Historically, 40% of men have reproduced while 80% of women have reproduced.
So it used to be 80-100% of women chasing 40% of men.
Then modernization came about and it was 100% of women chasing 20% of dudes.
Now it’s 100% of women chasing 5% of dudes.
Data supports that women find 80% of men unattractive (note unattractive).
They also find 15% of men not attractive (but not unattractive).
They only find about 5% of men attractive.
^Recent data.
Social media hasn’t helped this, neither have “dating” apps. We’re in a time of hyperbolic hypergamy.
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I lucked out then. She got the ugly guys genes, but the rich guy’s resources and security. 
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This popped up on Youtube and made me think of this thread. It’s something we here all know, but I bet a lot of men would benefit from hearing it.
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From what I’ve seen out and about, women are dating or married to a lot of the guys in the bottom 95%. Most couples out there are two average looking people.
On dating apps, I’d buy this. I don’t think it plays out in real world environment, and not that many women are on dating apps.
I also think, one can have the attributes that women like, but not have women flocking to them. For the most part, women don’t do the chasing. Mostly, they make it easier to be caught for the right guys chasing them. Many will do things to give these guys a non verbal invitation (lots of looks is a common one), but they still make the guy initiate most of the time. Of course, if you are an attractive guy, you will run into the occasional woman that is practically wearing a “fuck me” sign. Those women will initiate, but I think those women are fairly rare.
I just mention this because a lot of guys think if they have what women think is attractive that women will flock to them. Not necessarily true. They will still have to be social, and talk to the women if they want to be with women.
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I also want to add another angle to the different generations perception to all this. Typically speaking, when I read or listen to a men commenting about the plight of of young men these days—socially, sexually, and financially—in most cases they are boomers and early to mid Gen X’ers. They invariably denounce young men all the while ignoring the social environments that benefited their youth and young-adult years in all three areas.
They had a country actually designed for their success. Many got by just by showing up, so to speak, and being an ordinary, working person that wasn’t insane. Although it is impossible to see, I bet if we put them in a Time Machine and parked them in the future, even back in the early 90’s latchkey era in some locations, they too would be alienated and incel.
Go look at some photo albums of some early Gen Xers or boomers and you’ll see the most ordinary schlubs dressed in the plainest of clothing (no big muscles either) surrounded by a robust social clique and women. They experienced a time (and I caught some of the tail end of it) of women from their towns for the taking and socializing was very easy, and no bizarre ideologies ruining social dynamics.
I also think many get a buzz out of putting down young men (“it’s not those reasons; look, these guys are all lazy crybabies.”) But… it can’t possibly go the other way. If one criticizes Gen Xers (I’m a late one) and boomers for bringing about the scene we have today, they are deeply offended. “What do ya mean? I worked hard. I did what I had to do! I knew how to treat a lady.”
Disclaimer: I’m not aiming this at anyone here and this is generalized commentary.
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I haven’t come across these types of men much. I was born in the mid 80s.
Maybe it is due to the region I live and have grown up in. The south seems to have more traditional women in general.
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