I do as well.
And many of the women I have talked to that are 50+ and career oriented have a huge regret and that is not having children.
Multiple of them have explicitly said this to me.
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If every man went on strike, society would be destroyed in like… 24 hours. And women would be harmed instantly!
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100%.
You see it in natural disasters and anything when society breaks down. That equality instantly goes out the window.
I love women and cherish them, but we are not the same and were never meant to be.
Differences should be celebrated and championed. It takes both for a functioning and happy society. One is not less than the other, different halves to make the whole.
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I agree there is a double standard here.
From what I’ve observed, the really ambitious people I know as friends, or from my previous job were more “cold” than average. That includes men. These are folks that are past middle management. It seems only a few make it that far without having the ability to act “cold”. They seem to have less turmoil over firing someone than most people would for example.
I guess what I am trying to say is that maybe as a generality both men and women at that level should be seen as “cold”, until they prove to not be. If we go by that, the women I’ve seen at high levels have on average proven to be less “cold” than the guys. There is some psycho stuff at the top levels in a lot of companies IME.
I know some women that are in STEM. They are competent. I am not sure though if the male and female brain are equal as far as what they are typically good at. I am not saying they aren’t, just that I am not convinced they are the same. This doesn’t exclude women from potentially being at the top in a STEM field if true, it would just mean the percent of women with the type of thinking that makes one good at it is rarer than with men.
Another thing in my field (mechanical engineering) I’ve noticed, is that men often have a lot more hands on applicable experience before entering the field. Lots of my male classmates got into it because they were some sort of gear head as teenagers. That is why I got into it. I almost went to school to be a mechanic, but decided it would get boring after the learning phase. I wanted to do something that had a bit more creativity, and a mix of desk and hands on work.
I think as a rule, we shouldn’t assume a disadvantage based on gender on the individual level. This would go for women in STEM or men in traditionally female careers (nursing, teaching, etc…).
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I work with owners and C level folks on a daily basis. The large majority I have come across are compassionate people, but have to make tough decisions.
You might fire 10 to save 1000 jobs. They might become better at dealing with it, but they still care from what I have seen.
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Totally possible I’ve just seen an over representation of psychos at my previous company. I am not saying all were psychos or anything. Some were nice people. Just that I believe the psychos are over represented at the top. A few at my previous company played a lot of politics. Found ways to blame others for their mistakes (which resulted in their workers getting fired in a few cases).
My current company is a lot smaller and family owned, and we lack this type of behavior which I am grateful for.
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I’m unsure how Anna @anna_5588 views this. That is, did she state it because some men not wanting to associate with such women is bad?
I am such a man. First off, I don’t make friendships with women. I have one close female friend whom I’ve known for 24 years. All other women who don’t have my company (most of whom don’t want mine either) are unharmed by me not being titillated by ambitions.
Although I’m n=1, my take on the matter is likely not unique regarding why some or many men aren’t interested in “boss babes. When I used dating apps, from which I met my wife, in the late aughts, I met several such women, lawyers and business executives.
Why would I, and likely other men, not want to go further?
- While I think women have more contribute to society than kitchen and kids, I happen to be a man to whom high level professional accomplishments strikes no chord in a sexual or romantic way. I respect or admire some of these women, but there is no effect on my brain otherwise.
- I’m a middle-class man (sorry, Andrew Tate). I believed a higher-earning woman would eventually resent and mistreat me. And I had good reason to think that considering even women who found me physically attractive (and let me know it, hint, hint) had a way of making this known.
- I wanted a woman who puts home and children first in the early years of child raising rather than considering these burdens interfering with materialistic motivations.
- I consider women’s foremost gift to us is motherhood, plain and simple. Ruthless pragmatism is great for careers, not for this. No thanks. And it’s fine if other men don’t think this or anything else said.
Are boss babes harmed by how I or others feel about all this? So we think some are cold or don’t provide what we want. Oh no!
I don’t think she was referring to romantic relationships. More so that women being ambitious in the workplace can be seen as “bitches” or whatever, and that can hinder them from advancement in the company. The same attributes in a man are often praised and can aid in advancement.
I think there is evidence that supports the idea that men care a lot less about a woman’s career or earning than vise versa.
For me, it isn’t a turn off if the woman has a good career, or makes good money. It just isn’t a huge deal to me that she does. Perhaps my feelings would change if I didn’t make pretty good money, but not super good money. Not trying to brag. Just thought it was worth mentioning as it likely does have an impact on my views as I don’t think a woman would resent me as easily with what I make.
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I had ample opportunities and interest from women like this and I was not interested.
I wanted a traditional woman that wanted children. I don’t need a wife that is a “boss babe” or bread winner or whatever. I am also a very dominant assertive type A personality and we would clash - hard if they were the exact same.
I don’t know many successful and “high value” men that want a “boss babe” or to put up with what that entails.
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This is a fallacy fyi. This is like saying humanity relies on women because only they can give birth. Its a stupid point. We all rely on each other as a species. Women don’t rely on a man to earna living anymore. Most women in the west ended up with men simply ebcause they had to to survive. Now women have options. Earning a paycheck isn’t enough anymore.
Show the video, we’re not convinced.
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He said that in other words.
That is literally what I said.
Each sex has their contribution to the whole. But, you have tons of women spouting how they don’t need men and men are not needed to survive - which is just as much bullshit as saying women are not needed.
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Saying women don’t rely on men to survive anymore means they aren’t forced to marry men to survive because they are barred from the workplace. Men in the west often act like this is a slight against them. For comparison the leader of the Haqqani network in Afghanistan advocated for womens right to work and pursue an education as a human right and is currently lobbying the Emir to grant them full access to both according to Sunni fiqh.
Yet im constantly hearing reactions in the west that women are somehow entitled cunts for wanting the right not to have to marry a man to live. I do not understand this impulse to hold it over women or remind them they rely on us in certain ways. Not saying you were intending to do that by the way. Just I hear this refrain from redpill types constantly.
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Sure but then its weird to frame it that way like oh men do all these jobs. Yeah and women literally give birth to humans. Women don’t rely on men to live and are allowed to earn their own way. As a result they are no longer forced to rely on men. Obviously they rely on men for society to function just like men rely on women existing and breeding with them for society to function.
Its such a weird impulse to have that attitude though.
Perhaps I’m simply biased and due to location, but I think the opposite: Western men are especially ingratiating and genuflect to women, generally. It borders on worship.
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That sounds alright.
Is he also gonna encourage them to screw whoever they want when they want, start an OF account, walk around half nude, and use influence and technology to insult and humiliate men?
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I live in the West and have my entire life. I don’t hear this at all. I hear more men being unwilling to get married from the younger generations more than anything as the juice is not worth the squeeze.
And more women asking where all the real men are.
My wife could also survive just fine financially without me - to a lesser degree for sure. But, she would not be destitute or anything.
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