Half of Men Wish They Were Dead

If were lucky, a robot.
If we’re even luckier an I.Robot.

You sound like a right wing extremist.

My father worked like a dog doing construction so my mother could stay at home and do the hard stuff.

If you love your kids you really aren’t giving up anything that was more important.

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My mum loves us. She is also resentful that she had to give up her job to move across the world bc it was better for the family to move where dads business is

She thinks my dad is selfish and that the business is for himself and his own feelings of accomplishment. I agree with her. I also empathise with dad and would do the same if I were him

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If I were a young woman your age with a career-oriented goal, I would not play that card at all in a job interview, review, etc. There are a few reasons why.

  1. You may change your mind in the future for reasons incomprehensible to you in this moment.

  2. Even if you don’t, the person interviewing you may interpret this as a negative trait.

  3. Not having children might be a bad career outcome in the long term for you. I can only speak anecdotally, but I know a lot more women in high-paying and high-responsibility jobs who are married with children than I do childless girl bosses prioritizing their career well into their 40’s and 50’s.

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This is true to some extent.

Ambitious men are praised. “Overly ambitious” women many times are seen as bossy or cold → disliked. This is something I feel is wrong. Why can’t women be just as ambitions and forward as men

Just because evolution made us a certain way doesn’t mean things can’t change. Evolution also makes us drawn to overeat and impatient, make men want sex whenever and wherever. Most of us on this forum practise dietary discipline and laws prevent public indecency and sexual violence

Ah yes, the childless girl boss

Masculine in nature, obese, maybe a feminist, and probably has some shitty ass little dog to try and replicate the endless joy of an offspring.

They are truly one of the physical embodiment of the shithole we call America.

Mic drops

I also think that women can be incredibly successful having kids. Many of my professors, supervisors and advisors have kids and do very well. However, I also see how having kids makes their lives more difficult (e.g., not being able to attend networking events bc of childcare, difficult pregnancies, missing a conference bc kid is sick…). I am sure none of them regret having kids and would choose to have kids even if it meant giving up their academic positions; however, I’m personally not willing to go through these troubles

So exactly what benefits do you think men enjoy from having children that women don’t enjoy? I’m assuming you are basing this on data. If we’re just talking about men with children having more income, that is a flawed conclusion for a number of reasons.

Women can be as careerist at they want. So can men. Neither of us get to choose how another person interprets our words in the workplace. If I’m interviewing an intelligent gal fresh out of college, which happens from time-to-time, and she went out of her way to point out that she has no child-rearing ambitions at age 22, I would probably just roll my eyes and cut her some slack in the interview.

Sure kiddo, let’s get on to what you can actually bring to the table.

Sometimes, but not always. My Aunt had a great run as a girl-boss, always prioritizing her job and now approaching retirement. She speaks fluent Japanese and has many other marketable skills, which is really cool.

I just know a lot more women who have juggled marriage and family that are now in their 40’s and 50’s and 60’s with great levels of both professional and personal success. There seems to be something about taking on that responsibility in your personal life that makes women and men both better suited to taking on more responsibility in their professional lives.

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There are studies showing that ppl with children, on average, are happier and more fulfilled than those that don’t

When researchers did secondary analyses, they found that the effect was driven almost entirely by men

Oh, I’m not suggesting that someone would be explicit about it. Verbal declarations like that are not very credible IMO

Regarding ability to take on responsibilities, there are other ways to develop that which do not require an 18+ year commitment and far more enjoyable and likely less expensive+ potentially building/broadening social networks.
Something like volunteer work, running a side business, pursuing a hobby

How do you even measure happiness or life fulfillment in a way that is consistent for different people and quantifiable?

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@Grool How tall are you and how much money do you make?

I’m a nazi

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I’m a man and I can’t have kids! How DARE you discriminate against me! Where’s my happiness!

prism! TRIANGLE! Trapezoidal structure… I feel somewhat wobbly due to my ketamine infusion (mentioned a number of posts above). I’m going to feel like this for the next six days AND I’m bored!

I feel as if I’m going to come out of this six days from now and delete quite a few of these messages.

I know a few girl (three to be precise) bosses who managed to be a girl boss, devoted wife and loving mother simultaneously. Seriously impressive individuals! Must be selfless to be able to do this though as you practically sacrifice any shred of free time you could have possibly had to yourself.

The idea that having a child is merely an eighteen year commitment is laughable. Having a child is a lifelong commitment for most.

isosceles triangle?

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I was trying to be generous :sweat_smile:

Exactly

You are your parents child, not an investment. That’s not a great way to view relationships, but you’ve already heard this spiel before.

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