For sure it’s good for the men who do get the college degrees. But the point is that isn’t all, or even most, men.
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Why does it need to be? Most tradesmen will be men. We aren’t saying the lack of women in the trades is bad for women, or society in general.
I see the problem not as the ratio of men to women in college but rather the sheer number of people in college.
Perhaps redefining what we consider college could help here. I don’t think the push for kids to go to college will really go away, but maybe if we considered trade schools as colleges that would help with the perception that going to trade school is “lower” than going to college.
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I think some of what you post is plausible. However, I’ve never connected to such statements like the above, or “just smile and be confident.”
This might be due to location and likely there are some women who just want some “nice guy” despite earning very little.
I don’t intend to sound sarcastic but I once thought when reading one of your posts, “if it was just smiling and winking, at eighteen years old I would’ve hopped on a train to Manhattan (I’m from Queens) and smiled at drop-dead gorgeous women from rich and powerful families”.
I think its a very complicated subject and one where both sides of the debate get things right and things wrong. The idea that women don’t date broke guys is simply not true. 95% of people marry or long term date people from within the exact same socio economic category as themselves. So the idea women are only dating financially comfortable guys simply isn’t borne out by the evidence, statistically.
One of the main issues men face dating is they are told they need to be tall, rich, handsome and tough to even get their foot in the door. But this is a product of men simply not having anything else to offer so they think that women think as they do.
Due to my former life, I had lots and lots of female friends due to working around clubs. When you actually talk to women they will say yes height, ripped body, good hairline, wealth are all things they find attractive, but its literally all nice shit that is factored in after an intial assesment of how do i feel about this guy is made. Men give each other advice to be alpha but the vast majority of women don’t care about that at all. Here is what I have gleamed with women:
1.Most men are meh looks wise to women, or in the “thatll do” range. A very small percentage of men are hot and a larger but small percentage of guys are definite nos. Most men are simply meh visually to women.
- Women are good at finding things they like about a partner that are specific to them, for example oh i like how his chubby belly feels when we cuddle, or I like x thing or Y thing. Women find post connection attraction easy to generate. This has to do with how women generate attraction more psychologically than visually, where as men are far more visually driven.
3.Women find a sense of humour and a genuine caring nature the most compelling aspects of male compatibility. My Mother was a French Model before she met my father. My Dad was a short fat balding man with a labour job. They met at a cafe, he made her laugh, he was confident in who he was, she fell for him and had his children. My mother dated millionaire footaballers, Actors and the President of Renault, she chose a short broke man because he made her laugh and he genuinely cared about her.
Women literally laugh about redpill stuff, they will tell me oh i really liked this guy then i found out he was a tate fan i cringed so hard i can’t take him seriously anymore. My fiance is making over 100k a year, owns her own house, if a former Olympian, her father and brothers are all current or former professional football players. I am broke, short and she chose me over they guys in her circle and family friends some of whom are famous athletes.
One of the things the told me about why she loves me is because i make her laugh all the time and im really caring and sweet. If women truly primarily cared about wealth or height or looks why is it that their sexual selection consistently shows that poorer men are more likely to procreate? Why are the genes for short stature consistently passed on to generations in a way that shows short men are both impregnating taller women and are also impregnating shorter women in a way that creates the centre of the bell curve?
I will have to screenshot some of the things she sent me after our first 4 day trip together, its so contrary to what many men think women value. She literally refers to me as panda because im chubby and cuddly lol. The guy she broke things off with to go exclusive with me is a 6 foot 3 Olympian athlete from the same country as her who has the body of superman and the jawline of a Greek statue. She chose me over him. Is he hotter defo. Is he wealthier? Fucking yes. But my personality won out. Would it with every girl? Fuck no, but it did with her. If I beleived the redpill I had no chance. And this is why redpill is so dangerous.
Its absically feeding guys doomer pills and psyopping them into thinking they can’t get girls. Ive been fucking tall athletic black girls since I was 13. I am the same height now I was then lol. I am the same ugly guy. I had a good physique for a couple years when I was really involved in BJJ. I never got more pussy then than I have in the last few years of being a fat ugly fuck.
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I agree here. Most couples I see out in the wild are fairly well matched on most factors (economic, looks, etc…)
IMO, many seem to mix up what is needed to acquire low effort sex with women and what is needed to find a good woman to go out with. Many think they need the former to acquire the latter, which I don’t think is true.
The reality is most men will have to put in work to get a woman. They may have to play a numbers game, they may get rejected a lot, they may have to be funny, etc… For those men, it doesn’t seem uncommon for them to be jealous of the few men that don’t have to put in much work. In addition, many are resentful towards women because some women put out for the few guys that are really attractive. I think the resentment is more so a reflection of their short comings. They are upset that what they are isn’t what gets a lot of women’s instant attention.
At the same time, it isn’t a ton of work for most guys (exceptions exist, and those guys will have a lot more difficulty getting women). It does require actually meeting and talking to women though, which many men are afraid to do it seems. I think a lot of guys would be really surprised at the results they could get if they put themselves out there and weren’t afraid of rejection.
I agree with this. I think there is a lot of men complaining about difficulties with women that don’t put any effort into meeting or talking with women.
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I don’t think ugly guys even have to put in more work than hot guys. I normally get sex on a first date if im charming, funny, ask questions, take interest in the conversation and don’t act mental. I think the real issue is many guys are both ugly and boring and socially awkward AND they are expecting to fuck 10/10s despite having zero game, zero looks wise and unrealistc expectations from porn, hollywood and tv.
My fiance is crazy hot and i took her to bed on our first date. The girlfriend before that was average looking and it took 2 dates to get her in my bedroom. Usually the effort required is about how turned on you make a woman mentally. I mentioned this earlier in the thread but my Brother is tall, handsome, ex SF, now contractor. He is terrible with women because hes so socially awkward. Hes always the type of guy who gets looked up to and men assume hes crushing it, hes always been dogshit with girls. Hes married now and it took him about 2 months to get her to sleep with him.
My youngest brother is short like me, ugly, works at a warehouse and he has always been great with women. My older brother is tall and handsome and he crushes pussy due to both his genetic blessings and being a really charismatic guy. So again its all much deeper than looks. Although yes for casual sex my older brother is going to find things much easier. being 6,6 and having long dark hair and being perpetually shredded has some advantages lmao.
If I recall correctly you’d rather not state your religion. And that’s fine. Does your religion allow “dates” while having a wife or polygamy?
It allows polygamy according to most. There are reform and modern groups who argue about that etc. I should note since I started practicing im trying my best not to do any philandering. Ultimately Im not supposed to have any contact with a woman before marriage, but it is what it is may God forgive me and make it easy for me.
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The one I went to for welding did as you describe. I was already signed up under a mechanical engineer major, and all of the credits I took counted under the major as related to the discipline.
Even made the Deans List!
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You know, Luca was pretty solid. My kids and I enjoyed it. Probably the best thing out of Pixar in quite some time.
@Grool I like to imagine you look like Danny Devito or something idk
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Since I’m bored.
I think a good way to get around the gender discrimination issue in the workplace is for women who don’t want to have children to credibly signal that their performance won’t be hindered by having to carry and raise a child.
On a similar note, I was on a call with two of my friends (one male, one female). The male recently broke up with his gf bc he eventually wants kids and she doesn’t. When we asked why he wanted kids, he said “they’re cute and fun”. Both of us females thought that it’s quite delusional on his part not to acknowledge the difficulties , but also reflects statistics showing that the lifetime satisfactions gained from having kids is mostly enjoyed by men since women have to do most of the hard stuff + many women have to give up their own ambitions for kid or family care related issues.
With that said, I hope for the economy to prosper so I 100% would encourage any woman who wants to have kids to have them
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Nah, just scramble it with chopsticks and vacuum it out. Then we can party forever!
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You’re assuming that men outperform women because employers don’t want to hire them because the risk that they will have children and become less engaged in their jobs. The data doesn’t bear this out.
Young women (especially 20-24, but even 25-34) have incomes very similar to young men. Controlling for career choice, they generally have more income. The income disparity really starts to kick in after 35. In other words, women make less because they actually have kids, not because people expect them to have kids.
In today’s economy, there are so many unknowns about future career choices that people aren’t usually making hiring and promotion decisions based around one single future possibility.
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To be clear, I 100% think that I SHOULD be responsible for my parents when they get older.
I would be a bad investment at best if I didn’t
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Gross…
Who should be responsible for you when you reach old age?
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I don’t plan to live longer than I’m capable of taking care of myself
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Likewise
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