Half of Men Wish They Were Dead

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@EmilyQ

a good lover doesn’t need experience

Do you think there is a stigma against male virgins amongst women? Why or why not? I could offer about a dozen books that would argue inexperienced male lovers are not appreciated the same by women.

In a bad math comparison:
[Experience/Dominance (the two are a bit entagnled in this equation) = Attraction = Dopamine.]
[Inexperience/lack of dominance = Comfort = Oxytocin.]
(going back to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks)

@EmilyQ

A number of exceptionally respected posters on this site have noted very happy, mutually satisfying egalitarian marriages. Some of them are out-earned by their wives. Shouldn’t these be taken into account?

Sure, I’m not discounting them, but they do have slightly contexts and rules. If both working and she out-earns him while dating and then married, this tends to not be an issue. But when wives get promotions and begin out-earning their husbands (who are stagnant), there is a notable uptick in divorce rate - almost monolithically inititated by the women. Any thoughts as to why that is?

To offer my thoughts, everyone knows a man’s role is to protect and provide in a relationship. When they don’t do this, or are perceived as not doing so (by the woman), it wouldn’t be surprising to see that his stature diminishes in her eyes.

I know you didn’t want to join this discussion, but I’m actually glad you did.

@EmilyQ

Also, since when are parents not offering feedback about prospectives and telling their kids to march right back to their rooms and put on something decent

I’d actually refer back to my previous comment:

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Have you not seen the last two generations of women?

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@BrickHead

Do you know why that is?

Two reasons come to mind:

1. Men are more violent and determined (usually on a logical (illogical, but logical) scale). If a man says he’s going to do something, there’s a pretty solid chance he’s going to do it. The more violent means tends to be faster and messier, and they do this without regard to the impact of those around them because men are categorically selfish (evolutionarily speaking).
2. Women are less violent and more prone to emotional whims. They would use less violent means to accomplish this (which tend to be more reversible than a bullet), and they end it typically not wanting to leave a mess for someone else to clean up. They tend to care what they leave behind as they are categorically selfless (if they’re normal, traditional women).

Someone can tell me I’m wrong here, but this is what I’ve heard - although I probably worded it much less succinctly than whom I heard it from. Jordan Peterson spoke on the matter quite a few times.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Jordan Peterson spoke on the matter quite a few times.

[SkyzykS]

@BrickHead

Do you know why that is?

Choice of method.

[Bauber]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Men just have to pick themselves up by their boot straps and keep doing the things they’re being actively disenfranchised from doing.

I see this as an integral part of being a man. You do what is right and forge your own path regardless of what people say or push on you.

Fuck them.

@Andrewgen_Receptors

It’s a wonder why so many men are feeling that they live lives of quiet desperation.

That is internal in my opinion. I am a firm believer that you are in control of your own destiny and what goes on in your mind.

I have been depressed and down and out, but you either let it defeat you like a pussy or you fight back.

I know I am going to fight back until my last breath.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

For the record, I agree with your whole post, which I think you already know.

@Bauber

That is internal in my opinion. I am a firm believer that you are in control of your own destiny and what goes on in your mind.

I have been depressed and down and out, but you either let it defeat you like a pussy or you fight back.

I know I am going to fight back until my last breath.

But this is the difference. Back to OP… I do believe this is why so many men are in this depressive state. Women internally know this, so they DGAF about men who don’t follow this. Men like you and me DGAF about men who don’t follow this either. So no one cares about the internal plight of being a man these days. I think this is strongly correlated to why these suicidal tendency trends are the way they are.

At least traditional women understand that being a man isn’t easy.

Modern women think being a man is just getting paid and getting laid.

[Bauber]

@EmilyQ

Some of them are out-earned by their wives.

My wife had more money than me for years early in our relationship and never held it over my head or ever mentioned it. She knew where I was headed and that I was going to be successful with time. She paid for things and more often than not gave me the card or money to pay. She is very in tune about not emasculating her mate. (I know that seems petty and small, but it struck a large cord with me).

Now, she never has to work again if she doesn’t want to

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@Bauber

She is very in tune about not emasculating her mate. (I know that seems petty and small, but it struck a large cord with me).

This isn’t a small gesture, and women who complain about not finding any good men likely don’t understand this concept.

[Bauber]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

But this is the difference. Back to OP… I do believe this is why so many men are in this depressive state. Women internally know this, so they DGAF about men who don’t follow this. Men like you and me DGAF about men who don’t follow this either. So no one cares about the internal plight of being a man these days. I think this is strongly correlated to why these suicidal tendency trends are the way they are.

At least traditional women understand that being a man isn’t easy.

Modern women think being a man is just getting paid and getting laid.

I completely agree.

I don’t care about men like this. Now, if they are a friend and just in a rough time that is different. It is the perpetual woe is me types that I can’t stand.

@Andrewgen_Receptors

This isn’t a small gesture, and women who complain about not finding any good men likely don’t understand this concept.

Agreed. I wouldn’t stay with a woman for long that constantly questioned my manhood or took shots at it.

[doogie]

@BrickHead

No shame, no discipline. That’s the theme. “Don’t do anything. If you do something and set a standard, s/he will rebel. Eat shit pops!”

If a man allows that, it’s 100% on him. You can’t blame women for that. If he married a woman with those beliefs (and procreated with her), that is his fault. I married a woman with 4 boys. I sure as shit wouldn’t have married her if we didn’t share the same parenting values.

@Grool

Women becoome callous because we treat them like shit.

Ding Ding Ding.

@Grool

Womens bad behaviour is always mens fault if you think that men are protectors and maintainers of women. Im from a traditional family and if your woman acts up its a reflection of you,same for your kids. This is something right wing redpillers ignore about being trad.

If men had it so great in the past, isn’t it men’s fault that things aren’t like in the “good old days”?

[BrickHead]

@doogie

If a man allows that, it’s 100% on him.

That’s correct. Did you see the context of my posts.

[BrickHead]

@doogie

You can’t blame women for that. If he married a woman with those beliefs (and procreated with her), that is his fault.

I don’t know where you are going with this. I was speakinging of people has a permissive attitudes generally. And as said, I don’t think permissiveness is uncommon in the US. Several times I’ve heard even from older people who already raised children, “you can’t, you can’t,” regarding discipline and expectations and standards because “they will rebel”. Personally I don’t really care because they don’t run my home, and I’m just discussing this on conversation here.

There’s also the “once s/he’s eighteen line,” meaning one should simply drop standards because of “independence”.

@doogie

Ding Ding Ding.

In what ways do you think men in the West generally mistreat women? He said we, so supposedly we are collectively mistreating them. I do believe we mistreat them but not for reasons commonly stated.

[Alrightmiami19c]

@EmilyQ

Do you guys want your sons to have high body counts? Do you not see it as indicative of emotional difficulties?

My emotional difficulties regarding romantic relationships stem from one serious monogamous relationship. After that I had my man whore phase and then chilled out, found a nice girl, got married, and had kids. I rarely even think about the body count girls, but that one relationship still fucks me up. I know I should be beyond that, and it’s unhealthy, but there it is. Long story short, men tend to go sleeping around as a coping mechanism for some underlying emotional distress and not the other way around.

[Grool]

We see them as sex objects to cum inside of and discard. I am not a liberal so I don’t do the NAXALT argument of “not all X group are like that”. I am talking about general trends.

I have a pretty unique viewpoint as my family ethnically come from two extremely conservative traditional cultures. And Ive seen females from my extended family come to the west and they think its going to be liberatory and then they realize they find it horrific and hollow and they end up moving back home lol.

Women in the west live a life of having to commodify and sexualise themselves just to meet the standards that the sexual revolution ushered in. Instead of freeing womena nd liberating them it cheapened their worth, displayed them as objects and this is why studies show women are unhappier now than in the 40s. Despite having far more rights and ability to earn their own money and life on their own terms.

My Grandfather was a stereotypical patriach, but he married my Grandmother before having sex with her, he adored her, he doted on her, he made the rules in the house but she ran the house and felt loved and valued by someone who saw her first and foremost as a human with a soul and someone it was his religious and moral duty to please, protect and provide for.

Now women are lied to in order to get them to spread their legs, if they dopn’t they are driven out of the sexual marketplace due to other women being willing to. They have to both work and be a wife as the labour force was doubled. They have to be masculine in their responsibility, look ridiculously attractive, spend an hour every morning applying makeup just to meet the societal standard, have to show their body to have any reasonable chance of climbing the ranks at work, have to date and deal with constant deception and humiliation from men looking to pump and dump.

On top of all that rates of sexual violence in America are staggering, women are beaten to death daily, rapes are common place, familial structures have broken down so most women have no support network or protection and they feel constantly insecure, fragile and used.

Western modernity is shit for everyone. Its completely empty and meaningless. Its why everyone is going schizo, both men and women are staggeringly unhappy and people are retreating from social life and sitting on the computer and talking to strangers. I was in Morocco awhile ago and I heard a funny anecdote from a white woman I met who moved there and married a poor moroccan guy. Her statement sums up how women in the west feel, obviously im paraphrasing;

“Guys in the west don’t want families, they don’t want marriage, they want to watch football, drink beer, hang out with their friends and have casual sex”.

Similarly most guys would say something equally pessimistic about women. Its because our individualist society creates shitty incentives for everyone. It removes any kind of metaphysical substrate and presses this cold rationalistic mechanical view of everything from human relations to the universe. As a result people feel disconnected and atomized.

Western Europe in particular is a dead society. Theres literally nothing good about it. The only way to ride the tiger there is join a religious community and marry and have kids.

[Grool]

More redpill nonsense. Im not redpill i just say all the dialogue tree redpill garbage lol.

[BrickHead]

@Grool
Well in that case I agree with all you said. We are in agreement that “liberation” and “anything goes” isn’t actually good treatment. Though I don’t condone all you’ve written about, we see eye to eye on certain things.

My granddad also called the shots and was of middle eastern descent. Maybe it’s just not in my blood to see everything through the lens of “muh individualism”. I do have a somewhat diplomatic marriage though but that’s because my wife and I think alike.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@Grool

Im not redpill i just say all the dialogue tree redpill garbage

I guess I don’t understand the difference.

Either you see the world for what it is
or you don’t
OR you see the world for what it is, but interract with it as if that stuff wasn’t true.

Which is it?

[zecarlo]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Modern women think being a man is just getting paid and getting laid.

I wonder how much of this is an American woman thing. My wife isn’t American so a lot of these complaints I just can’t relate to.

[Grool]

Individualism is like salt. A pinch is good. But you can’t base a recipe off it as a main ingredient or you’ll die.

[doogie]

@BrickHead

In what ways do you think men in the West generally mistreat women? He said we, so supposedly we are collectively mistreating them. I do believe we mistreat them but not for reasons commonly stated.

Grool said most of it better than I could.

Back on the topic…found out today that my division will probably be shut down in about a month, putting me out of work. At this point, I feel like the best thing that I could do for the family is to drop dead on the basketball court from a heart attack while we still have all of the life insurance that comes through work.