I think theres a large number of women in their mid-30’s with a high 2-digit bodycount who feel exactly the opposite to this.
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This is a massive concern for me as well.
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High? No. Experienced enough to be looked up to by the woman he chooses to marry? Yes. I do believe this can be accomplished without a high bodycount. I also don’t think men with high bodycounts carry anywhere near the same level of emotional baggage which women do.
Women also have pre-selection bias and look favorably upon experienced men. How much experience? Subjective… she typically wants to feel that he has more experience than her though, RE hypergamy.
This is where the double standard sets in, because men with higher body counts are not seen as damaged and typically do not have the same degree of damage from their promiscuity that promiscuous women do. So where I hope my son (maybe one day) has enough experience to be able to lead his relationship in entirety, including the bedroom, I hope my daughter’s first is also the man she marries.
Have you not seen the last two generations of women? Asking sincerely.
There was a thread about a dude who was concerned his girlfriend/fiance’s bodycount was 3 before him and she was like 22 years old or something. I was honestly astounded it was only 3.
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For the same reason women would lie about fucking black men during segregation. If i do something that isn;t wrong but people treat me like shit for it, of course im going to lie rather than be ostracized and shamed if I am a woman.
This is such a bad take. Its literally like saying if there isn’t anything wrong with being married to a black woman why would i hide it from my neo nazi family? Well obviously because of their treatment of you, not that its wrong to marry a black woman.
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You do realise pair bonding studies show there is a bell curve, women with lots of sexual partners do just as well as virgins in marriages comapred to women with between 3-6 partners.
If you are going to regurgitate redpill talking points actually look at the research they cite so you can see their hypothesis is dumb. Women with 30 sexual partners do equally well in marriages as virgins. And both file for divorce elss than women whove had 3-6 sexual partners.
Most women haven’t even had men who can make them orgasm consistently. If you can make a woman cum with your tongue you are ahead of the pack. Being semi competent at after care post sex, being emotionally available and not being an insecure weirdo is enough to have a woman fall in love with you.
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Right.
And what you’ll see in such threads and offline discussions with others these days (though I don’t speak of this often offline) is permissive and defeated attitudes. It’s almost as if a man should not be respected in his own home or set standards or conduct.
No shame, no discipline. That’s the theme. “Don’t do anything. If you do something and set a standard, s/he will rebel. Eat shit pops!”
If a man is sitting in his living room and sees his daughter leaning the home inappropriately dressed, he shouldn’t say anything. She shouldn’t be shamed if she presents herself or behaves poorly. If a brother, uncle, or cousin sees his female relative with a poorly-presenting man, he shouldn’t inquire, “Who’s that guy I saw you with?” A father shouldn’t pull a date or prospect aside and ask, “What’s your intentions with my daughter?” (Exact question my uncle was asked when he went on a date way back, and one he should have been asked).
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This isn’t a matter of it being wrong for an individual case. It’s about lying about a matter that the man thinks is important, which is disrespectful. Making a modest amount of or little money isn’t right or wrong, but it a man lies to a woman who thinks finances are important about his finances, he is being disrespectful.
If that’s true, I think it’s pretty weird. Why would you want to date someone who thinks you’re damaged and broken?
They don’t want you to think that way. Hence the constant de-stigmatization of women who run their body counts up like it doesn’t matter at all, then try to shame you for being uninterested in that kind of baggage.
Men lie about everything from their height to their bodyfat percentage, their wealth, their status. Anyone claiming women are more deceptive has never experienced modern dating. me and every guy I knew growing up told each of our girlfriends they were the only one, we were gonna marry them, give them babies lol.
Women becoome callous because we treat them like shit. Go to an orthodox jewish communtiy or a traditional african community and women are not that way because they don’t get treated like that because there is a patriachy in affect that protects them from male misbehavior.
Womens bad behaviour is always mens fault if you think that men are protectors and maintainers of women. Im from a traditional family and if your woman acts up its a reflection of you,same for your kids. This is something right wing redpillers ignore about being trad.
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Speaking of double standards, a majority of people think it’s just fine for women to have a “type” or even state preferences that have no practical value (“I want a man who is funny”) or even undefinable (“I like a man with an edge”, whatever the heck that is), but if a man expects something to protect himself…. Oh no… can’t do that.
To continue with “you can’t do that” in regards to protecting daughters. Even a recent example comes to mind. My uncle’s friend has a daughter who a couple of years ago kept on playing sexually-themed/twerk songs from her phone in the home despite demands to stop it. So he broke the phone. She’s just fine now. No rebellion. Is that amazing?
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I’m aware of all this and agree, as evidenced from other posts, including my last one.
I still don’t condone lying to a prospect. I don’t like lying generally and I look down on it even more in relationships.
I agree to be fair. Im just saying expecting women to be honest when men aren’t isn’t realistic. Women control access to sex men control access to relationships. Women lie to give maximum relationship leverage, men lie to get maximum casual sex proficiency.
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I have also in other threads mentioned America’s problem of deaths of despair, which includes suicide, and includes both men and women. No one here despite their point of view doesn’t recognize that terrible things happen to women, including suicide. Yet it seems that in every conversation about men, women have to be brought up, or a comparison has to be made. Hence the “duh” questions: “Don’t you know women commit suicide too?” “Don’t you know men misbehave too?”
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Because we don’t care about men, we care about women. Men just have to pick themselves up by their boot straps and keep doing the things they’re being actively disenfranchised from doing.
It’s a wonder why so many men are feeling that they live lives of quiet desperation.
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I’m a therapist in an outpatient clinic. I just checked and over the last two (three day) weeks, which is my cycle for people not in crisis, I’ve seen 8 women ranging from ages 19 to 27. I’ve had three men ages 28-30.
Only the single gay man was briefly what I would call promiscuous. The rest are either in committed relationships or single and taking their time.
I am probably a factor in that because I agree that promiscuity is not life-enhancing, but I don’t see it as different for males. A good lover is one who attunes to their partner, and experience doesn’t matter - a good lover doesn’t need experience and a poor lover is immune to influence.
A number of exceptionally respected posters on this site have noted very happy, mutually satisfying egalitarian marriages. Some of them are out-earned by their wives. Shouldn’t these be taken into account?
Also, since when are parents not offering feedback about prospectives and telling their kids to march right back to their rooms and put on something decent? (Though what “decent” may consist in may differ among families.)
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It’s apparent many don’t, or their kids don’t respect their parents, or there is only one, likely overburdened parent around. I assume you know this.
As I’ve repeatedly said, I grew up with young women whose parents had no idea what they were doing or where they were in not only their own homes, but in their friends completely unsupervised homes, and dangerous environments.
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Not at all mutually exclusive.
Women attempt suicide more often than men, but men are more successful at it.
Do you know why that is?